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Modeling the Gilpin Tram Part II
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 Posted: Sat Nov 26th, 2016 04:58 am
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Herb, the clean work spaces will be cluttered soon with various projects - it always seems to happen that way. I was doing some scenery work and made a mess, so it was time to clean out the Augean Stables!

Si, thank you for nice comments. It's a challenge trying to recreate the Colorado mountainous terrain on a shelf only 12" - 16" wide. Varying the scenery profile and sloping down towards the front of the layout shelf seems to work for many of the scenes.



This scene is 12" wide, and is basically the corner from leg of the layout to another. This is a freelanced scene on the Gilpin, James Peak & Middle Park Railway, so that's the reason for the water tank. The spur off to the left was originally part of the mainline when this modular section was a part of a different modular layout, and got recycled. I'll probably name the place Martin's Siding, in honor of a fellow narrow-minded friend, and use the spur for loading ore from off-rail mines, and for unloading supplies. The St. Louis Mine appears at the background of this photo. I need to finish up a small area of wood cribbing wall to hold back the hillside, and then this scene will be more or less done.

Keith

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Can anyone here help me out with a question? I am wondering what type of switches (turnouts) were used on the Gilpin Tramway Line, point or stub? And what type of signals they used? I can't seem to find this out in my Gilpin reference books or through photos I have saved.
Thought I posted this earlier today, but after work I checked the forum and couldn't find the earlier post, so I'm trying again, my apologies if it appears twice on FR.
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I'm a Colorado mining district afficianado. Planning a layout in HOn3 based on the Gilpin County area.
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 Posted: Sat Dec 24th, 2016 03:49 pm
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Chriss...as far as I know it was stubs. And "harp" switchstands also. Hope this is acceptable.

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Hello Chriss,

Yes, I agree with Woodie, the Gilpin Tram used stub switches almost everywhere on their own trackage. Where they had dual gauge with the C&S, the three-rail turnouts were point switches. I don't know if the Gilpin Tram or the C&S built the three rail trackage.


A harp switchstand can be seen at far left. Shay #3 is backing down off of the Quartz Hill Branch at Leavenworth Siding, on the south slope of Quartz Hill

The switches were harp switchstands, and where there were three-rail dual gauge turnouts, rotary C&S-style switchstands.  The harp switchstands varied - some had targets, some did not. In the some of the photos, the throw bar is noticeably bent from years of switching cars.

Merry Christmas everyone!

Keith

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 Posted: Sat Dec 24th, 2016 07:53 pm
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Woodie, exactly what I thought and you confirmed, along with Keith.

Thank you both and have a Merry Christmas, happy Holidays to all.



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 Posted: Sun Jan 8th, 2017 05:16 am
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Trackplanning For The Black Hawk Scene



This is the space I have to model Black Hawk - an 18" wide shelf 7' x 3' long. This will be the main terminus of the layout, where my rendition of the Gilpin Tram will serve 2 or 3 gold ore processing mills, interchange with the Colorado & Southern 3' gauge, have the enginehouse and shops, yard trackage to make up trains, and have a few other spurs to switch.

Easy to model, right? Well, maybe not. There are so many interesting aspects to the prototype Black Hawk, and I have a very limited space, so an initial challenge will be to narrow the list of scenes I will model to just a few that will fit the space that I have.

I have risen to the challenge before, and built 3 different Black Hawk model scenes in prior versions of my layout. Each Black Hawk scene had its pros and cons, but they all were fun to operate.  So, as I plan for my next version of Black Hawk, I'll revisit my previous designs, to refresh my memory, and examine what worked and what didn't work.


This was an earlier version of Black Hawk, set on the lower shelf of a two-level layout. I finished most of the upper level, and roughed in part of the scenery on the lower level, but never did add any more buildings other than the enginehouse.



This is a trackplan of the 2000-era layout, on the lower level. I did not build the sampling works, but built a model of the Rocky Mountain Concentrator instead.  The layout ran pretty well, and was the first layout I built using the then new-to-me Peco 009 flextrack and turnouts.   But, this space was needed for some other family activities (my son's guitar practice and storage area, and I was leaning towards a new shelf layout concept anyway, so it was torn up. It was described in an article in the November 2004 Narrow Gauge & Short Line Gazette.


About the same time, I sketched up this track plan for Black Hawk, shown above. This was published in a short article in Light Iron Digest, and it was designed for a compact space. I never built this layout, but I think it would have run well if I had.


As I had previously mentioned, I then built a 16" wide shelf layout across two walls of the family room. This photo shows the Black Hawk area, which was 8' long. This is as far as I ever got with scenery on this scene. Like the previous layout, it was built with Peco flextrack and turnouts and operated well.


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This is the trackplan for the 16" wide by 96" long Black Hawk scene. I was able to fit in what I thought were essential elements for the layout:
  • Enginehouse/shops
  • Small yard
  • One ore processing mill + ore chute transfer to C&S
  • Transfer to 3' C&S
  • A spur to the boiler works
  • Turntable, to turn the locos
There was little room for any other structures - Black Hawk would have been painted on the backdrop and represented with building flats. One mistake I made was build the yard  (two runaround tracks), on a slight grade - my rolling stock rolled too freely, and this complicated setting out cars.





Joe Crea drew a much nicer looking trackplan for Black Hawk, and this is part of the trackplan originally published in Railroad Model Craftsman in September 2003.

Here is a view of the Black Hawk yard with some switching work in progress. This scene remained bare, and no other structures were ever added.


I moved in 2005, so parts of the old layout were scrapped, including Black Hawk. I tried out a two-level layout, shown here. Black Hawk was located on the lower level, and part of it is scenicked. The trackage was handlaid with Code 40 rail - it looked good, but a lot of work, too. The corner area was an efficient use of space - I included a wye, and spurs to two industries. I also had plenty of space for the enginehouse and some yard trackage.



Here is my sketch of the lower level of the layout, showing the trackage that was mostly completed. I never finished connecting the two levels, as I became disillusioned with the two-level concept. It seemed that one level was always too high, and the other always too low. Although I could fit double the amount trackage in as compared to a one-level layout, the headaches that came with a two-level layout were not worth it for me.

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Next, I moved again in 2013, and reused some parts of the old layout, but little of the old Black Hawk. So, I started planning for a new scene. Like an earlier layout, the Black Hawk space available was an L-shaped space. Atlas, the model railroad manufacturer, did and probably still does, publish track plans showing ideas for their track line. One layout idea they offered appealed to me - it is shown above, but flipped 180 degrees. The simple to build layout gave lots of switching opportunities and so I studied this idea for a while.



In the same space, I also sketched out several other ideas to see what could be done. One thought was to expand out from the wall, from a narrow L-shaped space to one that projected more out into the room. The plan above was one result. I had the basic trackage I needed for operations, and now more space to depict more of the town buildings.  I started building this layout, but then halted construction. After further consideration, I found that I preferred the simplicity of a narrow shelf, and thereby building the layout in small sections easily worked on at my workbench.


So, I came back to the space shown above - 7' long x 3' wide on a 18" shelf.  This photo shows two models saved - a large model of the Polar Star Mill + ore chutes transfer to the C&S, and a freight supplier (which I called "Clear Creek Supply Co."). I would like to fit these into the scene, but how best to do that and fit some of the other design elements in?

So, any further construction here is temporarily halted until I figure out what to do. One thing that needs to be done is review in more detail the buildings, track, and background that comprise Black Hawk.

In this thread, we covered the enginehouse area, and Martin branch up to the Wheeler and other mills. We then started downstream, towards Black Hawk town, and looked over the Hidden Treasure Mill. But, there is a much, much more to see. In the next several posts, I'll put up more information about "lower Black Hawk" as a modeling subject.

Also, Happy New Year everyone!  This should be a great year for modeling, I think.

Keith



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 Posted: Sun Jan 8th, 2017 04:19 pm
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Happy new year to you Keith. I'm glad to see you back in the modeling "business", Black Hawk with it's connection to the C&S is a great place to replicate. Keep on working, it's great for the soul.

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Hi Keith :wave:


Try not to move house too much, it's a real pain. ;)

I've always thought the Polar Star Mill was a really cool prototype, lots of interesting features in one place.

Pleased to see you're gonna work your 5-mooser model of it into the new Black Hawk !

As the boss says ^^ keep on it !

It isn't easy for us modelers to 'hit the mother lode' as far as that 'ellusive' workable-plan goes.

But I know you're in sight of a good un Keith !

Just don't move house for a while !! ;)


:moose:


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