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 Posted: Wed Oct 5th, 2016 12:27 am
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I was looking for some switches and ran across something that gave me a thought - is there a discernible size difference between HO and OO scale models?

Are OO scale models, being standard gauge (or are they?), physically larger than On30 models?

Are OO scale models smaller than Traditional/semi O scale or even S scale (i.e. AF)?

I looked at some of the steam locomotives and actually like how funky they look, well compared to what I am used to seeing in steam locomotives since I am in and grew up in the US.

I am not too far down the On30 path to switch, or maybe this is just a distraction.  :bang:

Did the steam locomotives used in Australia come from the UK, or were they mostly of that type of appearance?  I ask this question as it seems most of the available OO stuff is of course from the UK.

I found a rather inexpensive Hornby R150 LNER NE 4-6-0 that I am considering purchasing to see how it compares in size to the On30, traditional O, S and O scale stuff I have (and need to start selling off!).



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 Posted: Wed Oct 5th, 2016 07:19 am
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Helmut, while British modellers model in 4mm scale for 16.5mm track,the prototype loading gauge is much smaller than US. Perhaps they paid the price for inventing railways and then having to put them in a land that was all owned by someone, not being able to just take it.

So British OO models are not much different in size to North American HO.

Australia has many different origins of locos. Early on we imported many items from the UK and America before making them ourselves. Many made overseas were to Australian designs too. Often the UK manufacturers made far larger locos for us than would be seen in the UK although our loading gauges were not as large as the US ones.
The South Australian broad gauge was basically US in design but made here or in the UK.
Diesel era saw mainly local manufacturers using US or British traction equipment in locally built bodies.
For 16.5mm track, Australians normally model in HO for Stephenson Standard and Irish Broad gauges.

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Bob,
Thx. What is most common there in Australia? OO or HO? or something else? I.e. did Australian modelers 'follow' the UK modelers in OO?



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 Posted: Wed Oct 5th, 2016 10:10 am
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All commercial RTR models are in HO.

NSW,VR, CR (standard gauge) and current private operators are more than well supplied, SAR has a few options.
QR is starting to be supplied for HOn42.

WAGR is principally kits in Sn42.
TGR has one very small supplier of kits in OO.
CR narrow gauge next to nothing.

O gauge is mainly expensive kits. 1/4" scale for VR,QR and 7mm for NSWGR.

Our infamous breaks of gauge are reflected in the modelling sphere too.
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 Posted: Wed Oct 5th, 2016 04:05 pm
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The Brits. love their beloved OO !



" Gawd bless the good ship OO and all who sail in her ! "



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Howdy Helmut, just one question...what do you want? Everybody has their own agenda in scale, gauge, prototype, etc. From what I understand, you want something that can withstand being outdoors but still be large enough to appreciate and operate without much trouble. My suggestion is to seriously consider LGB and the other quality large scale models which are available. You will hear that HO, etc. is just fine outside and should you decide on smaller scales then you will need to find your own way, some things work and others don't. I built an outdoor railroad using an unusual scale operating on 16.5MM gauge (HO/On30) and had my share of difficulties but fun along the way. Would I build outside again? Probably not since I am an old guy now and like being indoors with my hobby.
What I am actually getting to is that sitting and getting opinions and thinking will never get the job done. You have to do something, even if it is wrong. I have known many guys who plan, research, collect, and never actually build anything. Then, one day, they are gone and never got to experience the heartaches and thrills of this hobby.
Yes, I am an opinionated old radical but over the last 50-60 years I have built in almost every scale/gauge and have never looked back.
So, have fun and decide on what you want to do now, tomorrow may not happen.

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 Posted: Wed Oct 5th, 2016 08:42 pm
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Bob,
Wow, that is pretty fractured. I would have decided on O but I also find O (real) scale quite pricey. Some do not, but it seems they can/will pay $500-$1000 for a loco. I just cannot bring myself to that. Even $200 is getting pricey for me. My wife says the $47 shipped price I paid for an On30 Porter is expensive!

Woody,
Yeah I was almost there with LGB/Piko until I priced 1 gauge track. I am not sure how anybody can afford it. I have not found any deals on second hand either. O gauge track is almost as expensive, but the real scale models are higher priced than many/most LGB/Pico.

EDIT: and once I saw the size of the On30 Porter I had to reconsider (it is tiny!), but cash is king.

But yes, analysis paralysis! That is why I have purchased some (quite a bit actually) Atlas HO code 100 track and 3 On30 locos. Getting started with something, and if it does not work out not that much cash has gone into it and I can sell it off easy enough and not really lost much if anything.

So I am starting something, just not sure I will not lay out some track and play with it for a bit and change it out anyway. I would really like to do O (real) scale but it is pricey.

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 Posted: Wed Oct 5th, 2016 08:53 pm
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Si. wrote: The Brits. love their beloved OO !
" Gawd bless the good ship OO and all who sail in her ! "

Now should I put the dust off my Airfix GWR equipment and finally build J.Ahern's GWR country terminus on a 6' x 2' plank? It's all or nothing, down with BR!



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Well ,if cost is the prime factor then only code 100 HO track and all who run on her are now part of your deal.

From experience, while you can run such small equipment outdoors you will need to have a well laid baseboard that remains stable and be prepared to spend some time cleaning track,etc if you do not go battery/radio.

If I was to go to 16.5mm track again outdoors I would run battery/radio in diesel lashups. I would also have my storage in the garage as has always been the case.

Using 16.5mm track does give you many options in scale from the RTR market.

However as Woodie said, it is time to move on... make a choice and go try it. Life is too short to spend time thinking.

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 Posted: Thu Oct 6th, 2016 03:23 am
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Bob, from the start I have determined I will be doing BPRC. done. :)

Also, my stuff is all going to be steam - at least for now. I WILL have to put some tenders behind my Porters, but I am OK with that as they are going to be my main motive power for the day to day grind. They need to have the staying power.

Like I said - I have 3 On30 locos already and a bunch of Atlas code 100 HO track. I am working with Neil of S-CAB on my BPRC stuff. I am working daily in the back yard to get the fish pond/water feature in, then it will be all railroad stuff.

:)

I might change later on due to my experiences, but am moving forward for now.

But how do Large Scalers afford that track?



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