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 Posted: Thu Sep 22nd, 2016 08:44 pm
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Hi again guys, Si suggested I move the discussion from the welcome thread over to a regular thread.

Here is the link to that http://www.freerails.com/view_topic.php?id=7351&forum_id=61&page=2

I had some input and made some changes to the plan. I also hear Herb loud and clear "JUST BUILD SOMETHING!" :) I will as soon as it's possible, I have some work to do on the space first, and then there is money arrgh.

I know there are still some wonky parts that need work, but I think the overall plan is coming together.

I've found the process of playing with the design in drawing form, has helped me narrow down era/region.

The year will be 1919, the region will be south central PA, around the Lancaster area. I'm not modeling a real prototype, but want the industries and operations to be as realistic as possible.

I had someone suggest a postal/REA team track off the main yard, which sounded like fun.

I'm probably going to have cows, lots of cows, so dairy will be an industry. I think along with all those cow comes a feed store, and maybe a fertilizer dealer. I think maybe a tobaco warehouse since this is tobaco country. Possibly a water mill.

Well that's about as far as I got.
Scott

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 Posted: Thu Sep 22nd, 2016 10:51 pm
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:shocked::shocked::shocked::shocked::shocked:

Hi Scott

I've heard about going bald over night.
But never seen it actually happen until NOW !! :old dude:

L: Mmm... Layout design...

Nice one starting the Thread Scott. :thumb:

I aint gonna say a word aboot nuting !
I'm too outspoken & controversial...
...& only any good at designing slotcar tracks !!

:moose:

Si.

I think you're right though.
Some wonky bits still, but it looks like it's coming together !



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HO, right? I thought that turntable looked awfully small otherwise.
Looking good, I think you could get some great op sessions out of a track plan like that!



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Lee,

Yup going with HO, thought about N but that stuff is so small couldn't even see what I was doing. I'm starting to think you O guys might be on to something.

I just want to makes sure that I have something fun to operate when I'm "done".

The wonky bit I was most thinking of (you all may see others please let me know) is where the interchange comes in on the top and then I made it cross the regular line. I think that section needs some thinking.

I can't remember if I said in the old thread, I am hoping to start building the top interchange and some track, following a TOMA process. Soon as I get the track plan looking right, I am going to delve into the logistics, industries, names, rolling stock and motive power. It will be fun research while I'm working on getting the area ready to go.

Any ideas of industries that would be compatible with the era and location shoot em at me. All input much appreciated, and Si feel free to stir the pot a little drama can be entertaining.

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OK Scott !

I think your passing-loops need looking at.
The 1 top-left isn't needed.
Neither is the 1 far-right.

The 3 that are left...
...need their length adjusting.
Perhaps equalizing for possible train lengths.

The depot bottom-right 1 is too short.
The depot far-left perhaps too long.

I'm sure you get what I mean.

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 Posted: Fri Sep 23rd, 2016 01:46 am
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Thanks Si,

I'm going to look at this. I'm party torn on siding width as I don't really know what my max train length will be. I know it will probably be the passenger trains, does anyone know how long pax cars were circa 1919? I think I read somewhere 60 feet, does that sound right?

I get what you are saying about the far right Oyster Point being too long, someone suggested double tracking that whole thing, now it seems a bit over kill. Pulling that back will solve the funky x it caused with the interchange line.

I definitely need to give some thought to the car lengths and by extension train lengths.

So removing the run-a-rounds top left and middle right, won't hinder operations? I guess the trains with lower priority will just hold at one of the depots, which makes sense.

Thanks Si, much appreciate the input.

Scott

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Hi Scott

Another thing is.
One OR other side, of passing-loops...
...is almost ALWAYS East OR West bound only.

Especially when there are industry-spurs coming off them.

Industry spurs are almost always 'trailing' from the main-line.
It prevents WRECKS from happening, if the switch is set wrongly.
Also 'switching' a 'facing' spur is not easily possible.

I'm sure you get what I mean.
Not so much on teeny-weeny shortlines.
But your're going for bigger ops. than that.

:moose:

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I think 3 main Depots nicely spaced will give pretty good ops.
You could cram a 4th...
...but I think 3 good ens is better than 4 crammed.

You get to run some nice long trains in that room !!



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How long is the end-end of the benchwork in feet ?
I can't figure it out from the plan.
It looks like maybe 18' ??

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 Posted: Fri Sep 23rd, 2016 02:49 am
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Thanks Si,

The full run would be 24 feet. I should put that on the diagram.

For a guy who just knows slot cars you blow me out of the water with your rail knowledge.

So you are saying siding are always used going the same direction, kind of like the lanes on the highway? If that's the case it's something I did not know so look at me learning stuff. :)

I remember hearing about trailing vs facing but I don't remember what that means. I remember them saying a trailing would be opposite for a train heading the other direction so it depends on the train. So if on my line traffic starts at the big yard and heads "east" or to the right of the diagram would the spurs in Oyster Point be trailing or facing. I should probably google that and I will. I think I put them in their like that cuz it seemed to make the sense for me, but what do I know.

Thanks for the info, Scott

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Hi Scott

It simply means that a fast-train could easily go full speed up an industrial-spur, if the switch failed or was set wrong.

With a TRAILING spur, this cannot happen.

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If you think about how a small freight train might get cars in & out of an industry spur...
...you will see that it is impossible to switch a facing-spur.

If there IS a facing-spur...
...the car/s would have to be taken to the nearest runaround-loop...
...run around of...
...& then taken BACK to switch the industry.

This simply almost NEVER happens in reality.
The switching move is too complex & time consuming.

The spur gets laid in the optimum direction in the first place.

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