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 Posted: Mon Sep 26th, 2016 10:15 pm
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Scott G wrote:
Chriss, not familiar with Trainmasters.tv I have the video plus membership over at http://mrv.trains.com/ a good deal of useful stuff on there. What does the http://mrv.trains.com/ cost a month?

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TMTV is roughly the same cost, but I believe it includes better content and longer videos. I've been a member of both, I continue my TMTV membership as I just wasn't getting as much info from MRVP as I do with TMTV.



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 Posted: Sat Oct 8th, 2016 10:23 pm
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Hi Scott

How's things going with the new trackplan ?

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 Posted: Sun Oct 9th, 2016 01:52 pm
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Si and crew,

I've been busy with some work projects. I've got what I think is a pretty decent plan now but then I rechecked it against my space and things seemed a bit tight, so now I'm kind of not sure where to go next.

In the new plan I took some advice I was given about the staging, the pass through staging would give an option of 72 inch long trains on the shortest section and around 100 inch trains on the longest section. All the sidings are at least 72 inches, longer trains would have to be given priority and shorter ones would have to get out of the way. I guess you could run two longer ones and do some double saw cut passes which could be interesting.

I think would possibly only bend the scenic background up around the engine house side, and sort of blend the staging into the main layout and call it Philly. It might be cool to have a very industrial dirty yard area to contrast with the rolling country scenic work on the rest of the layout.

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 Posted: Mon Oct 10th, 2016 12:36 am
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Hi Scott.

WOW !

It looks like the trackplan has come a long way !

I was going to say exactly what you've done with the staging area.
Much better, only option in my view.
Lengthways staging area, would be a waste of scenery space.
Nasty cassettes, BE GONE !

I would have the layout as a complete 'island'.
That butting up against the wall at the staging area, seems like not brilliant for access.
Also it would be better to be able to walk right around the whole show.
Getting trapped down the end of a walkway & having to walk right round to get from one end of staging to the other is not great.

Seems like you've gained a bit of overall length from binning the cassettes...
...but you've just gotta give it back now, for that right-end walkway.
Both ends of the benchwork rounded off would be ideal, no nasty corners to get snagged on.
It's still plenty long enough overall.

The idea of a large depot one side & two smaller ones the other, seems ideal.
I guess if you know what you want at the two smaller depots, their final trackplan can be worked out.
I think there is an optimum configuration to be found here.
I can't help thinking, at least 1 spur facing in the opposite direction on the 'vacant' side of the loops might be operationally interesting.
Also if the north/south loops are for east/west traffic only, one of those depots, Strasburg I think, has it's spurs facing the wrong way.

As for Lancaster, what looks like the yard area, appears very yard like, I don't know enough about these kind of yard areas to really comment.
But I suspect that the yard area is far from the optimum most efficient pattern.
I think you have to sit down & work out exactly how the yard will function & check 'the masters' on this aspect.
In doing so, I figure you will come to a different layout of switches in the yard area.
Having said that, it could be fine as it is, but I would investigate this aspect pretty carefully.

Looking good Scott.
I think it's spacious, not too much track, good staging & great scenic potential between the depots.

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 Posted: Tue Oct 11th, 2016 09:24 pm
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Si,

Thanks for the input on this. It's interesting to me how easily I get locked in a certain perspective and can't seem to see some rather obvious options. :shocked: Could it be I am blinded by my desire to believe I've found the optimal solution! LOL

I didn't register the suggestion for a spur on the loop, and yes I think that would be fun to play around with. I guess it could be some out of the way depot probably a creamery here in Lancaster or maybe a tobacco warehouse.

I'm also not sure if I should keep the two connection on the track out of Lancaster to staging - in my mind it might make it easier to spot cars on the RPO track.

I haven't really thought through the spurs or the industries. I think that's probably the next stop on this planning project.

Here is a link to a very hi-res version of the plan if you would like to be able to see the dimension labels. https://www.flickr.com/gp/25028704@N00/FW2k06

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 Posted: Tue Oct 11th, 2016 11:59 pm
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" It's interesting to me how easily I get locked in a certain perspective and can't seem to see some rather obvious options "

Hi Scott

Lookin' GOOD !
Nice 'island' !

What is 'obvious' to one person, is not always obvious to another.
Whether for aesthetic or technical reasons...
...10 different people, are gonna give 10 different answers !

I guess this is where prototype-practice comes in.
Knowledge of it, helps weed out the wacky ideas, from the practical ones.
The prototype never spent a DIME, unless they had scoped out all the options.

The fact is, quite often, the simplest solution is often 'the best' solution.
Sometimes, having 'more' to start with is a good thing though.
I would rather have too many, than too few ideas.
It is easier to 'edit out' excess material, than to insert fresh bits IMO.

I think in locating the industries around the railroad, it is worth remembering that 99% of the time...
...the industries came to the railroad, rather than the railroad coming to the industries.
The railroad basically went where it wanted to go & any interested industries sprung up around it.

Scott, by 'spur on the loop', I meant the 'passing loops' at the 2 small Depots.
One side, facing-spur/s & the other trailing-spurs/s...
...but of course, correct for the passing-loop direction, either East or West.
Hope you see what I mean.

It is a pretty ambitious layout !
A good few binned drawings is part of the process !
Except, don't bin 'em.
I always find there is at least 1 good idea in every real stinker, just waiting to come back & get reused !

:moose:

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Very good advice, Si

I would rather have that trackplan around the walls of a room, split through the central divider--but your room doesn't lend itself to that

One other thing--''pop up holes'' lose their fascination very quickly--especially if you are over the age of 12. Good thing to be rid of.


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 Posted: Wed Oct 12th, 2016 03:25 pm
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Yeah, I used to really think it was cool having such big windows in the basement, now not so much.

Around the wall would have been my first choice too, I played around with a point to point without loop and couldn't get anything nearly as interesting going.

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 Posted: Wed Oct 12th, 2016 09:17 pm
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I'm a bit gutted about this, I think when I planned I was a bit loosie goosie with my measurments, and now I might be too tight for my room. Arrgh, I don't know what to do now. I'd limit it to a single sided run but I want continuous running and a staging area. This is a lot harder than I thought it would be. :bang:

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 Posted: Wed Oct 12th, 2016 09:27 pm
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Hi Scott

The 2 doors indicated middle-left & right...
...what is the width from them, to the main bottom wall ?
Is it the same width for both ?

:moose:

Si.

There are 2 grey aliens in your layout room BTW Scott !!
What happened to the bald-dude ??
ABDUCTED ??



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