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 Posted: Fri Oct 7th, 2016 03:35 am
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Can you all school me on uncoupling for operations?  Please think old school steam - while I have not decided on my exact era yet I *think* it would be 1880-1900 or thereabouts OR 1920-1940 or thereabouts.

I realize there may be some equipment and operational differences in either time period, but I will start another thread when I am ready to discuss that.

For now, looking at the diminutive size of the couplers on On30 I am really wondering how does a person uncouple cars?  Remote with fancy devices?  Uncoupling magnets?  Hand held devices (which I think I would be partial to)?

One concern I have though is I could see guest 'RR employees' lifting/knowcking a whole section of a train off the tracks while trying to uncouple.

Thx for sharing what your thoughts and methodologies are or pointing me in the right directions.

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Hi Helmut,
Some more information required. For the periods suggested,
1 - Where geographically is your planned railroad (Europe/UK/US/Canada/elsewhere)? Your answer here determines the type of coupling that might be attached to your rolling stock
2 - If you are modelling the US, then is your railroad a 'stand-alone" railroad or does it interchange wagons with other railroads. Some history - In the early 1900's (not sure which date 1906? and for a grace period thereafter of a few years) knuckle-type couplings were mandated for all railroads that swapped rolling stock where that rolling stock could cross state lines. So the answer to this question also determines the type of coupling that might be attached to your rolling stock
3 - the choice in (1) also affects the braking system likely to be found on your rolling stock. This can have an effect on how stuff is shunted around and what needs to be done to "park stuff".
4 - If you decide to run with the coupling system system attached to your models, then the geography (here the steepness of where you want to park stuff) can impose local limitations on how you "park stuff"

Now prior to knuckle couplings legislation (google up MCB Master Car Builders) in the US in the US, any railroad could use whatever couplings they chose to .

The introduction of the knuckle coupling in the US was intended to and did go along way reduce the horrific casualty rate for US railway workers in the late 1890's/early 1900's. Most of the earlier US stuff was either "link and pin" type couplings or draw-hook type couplings. With draw-hook couplings trains could be "loose-coupled" with drop over chain links or used "screw-link" type couplings to take up some of the slack between wagons.

Once you have got your coupling choice narrowed down a bit more, how you operate them follows...

If you need more details please ask and I'll see what I can dig up in terms of references for you to have a look at,



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Well it seems I need to nail my period down.  I bet there are other things I need to know/learn as well.  I will start another post over in operations and then come back here to follow up later.

Thx!




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Hi Helmut,
According to WikiP The Janney knuckle coupling dates from a 1873 patent https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janney_coupler

So for your either of your proposed periods, the knuckle coupling may be a valid modelling option :bg:

Now whether your wagons were fitted for air-brakes? A lot of industrial stuff wasn't air-brake fitted and relied on the locomotive brakes and winding on handbrakes before tackling downhill grades.



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There may be a lot of brakemen employed in my railroad! :)

Thx John!



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Hey guys, I have started working on details for my RR and need to choose a coupler method.

I want to model the 1890 to 1910 time period (just because) and am considering either kadee G couplers or a link and pin style.  I do not want something super fiddly (mostly for non-model-railroading guests), but I am kinda warming up to the link and pin.  Is there a not-so-fiddly way to simulate link and pin but still maintain the methodology and some modicum of reliability (i.e. if you back up the 'pin' does not get forced out).  I have seen some pieces like a staple that represent both the link and the pin but am not sure how well they would work.

Thx for any input.  FWIW, I do not plan on the RR interchanging with others.



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"Non-model railroading guests" and "link and pin couplers" do not belong in the same phrase. You are looking for endless frustration. IMHO they are only for the most dedicated (and steady-handed).
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I know a great place to ask, The Early Rail modeling group
"Are you interested in modeling early railroads? This list includes
railroads both in and outside of the USA. The start of World War
1 is the general cut-off date for this list.

Possible topics include: motive power, rolling stock, broad
gauge, narrow gauge, different track styles, early trolleys and
interurbans, US Civil war era, structures and much more.

Where do I get horses in my scale? How about people in the
right costume? What scale can I find the most stuff in? "
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/EarlyRail/info



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Helmut,

I use LGB Link and Pin couplers on a number of cars, have for years. They are a little had to uncouple some times but they are fun.

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Go for it.  Woodie uses link and pin on his Mogollon and his Silver City railroads and has for years.  Look in the Narrow Guage Forum.
I have been using three link chain and pin on my Geneseo Railway for two years.  None who have operated it have complained.  Most enjoy it a great deal.  If you can operate a "pic" to manually uncouple in HO, you can easily do link and pin.

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