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 Posted: Mon Oct 10th, 2016 04:15 am
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Thank you James, I will let you know.

Upon researching I am appalled at the environmental impact of mines - especially in the early days. Kinda makes me not want to model one! Maybe I will model a placer type gold mine to ease my conscience a bit. :) Then my RR can serve the boom town it creates.

Still, the technological development of steam engines, trains, railroads, and all the other things that enabled is amazing (makes you want to capture some of it). If one sits and thinks about how far the human race has progressed in the last 200 years it is just dumbfounding; and then the debate comes on TV and screws the pooch there.

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I was typing my post above while you were typing your second.

Regarding your second post, the pit mine in Utah is the largest man-made excavation in the world - The Kennecott Copper Mine.

I did a lot of reading on this stuff the last couple days.  Kennecott has had quite a bit of environmental impact since its creation, but that company is at least doing something to stay off of the Feds hit list.  It is probably not enough, but oh well.

Smelters and concentrators are also quite guilty of environmental pollution, so the whole chain related to mining is culpable.  Also surprising is the treatment of workers and seeming lack of care for well being.  Maybe Ken knows a thing or two about that.

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If you decide to go with an open pit mine, Toy Trucker &
Contractor produced a BUCYRUS 70 Ton shovel in O scale, as used for the construction of the Panama Canal. Although standard gauge, it would likely be used to load NG cars.

They can be found on E Bay, at various prices, I have two
at present along with a scratch built BUCYRUS CLASS 24 dragline, and as the area needed is way beyond the space I have, they are display / dust collectors item's.



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Yeah, welcome to the industrial revolution, we weren't that eco-friendly a century ago. 

And the labor wasn't much better. Sometime look up the Colorado Labor War.  I could go into a lot of detail about what happened in the 1910's and 1920's, but it gets pretty political.

Still, don't feel any shame for modeling the prototype, what happened happened and we shouldn't run from our past, even if it's terrible by today's standards.

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Well, in viewing available equipment my era selection may be made for me. Am I wrong in that not a lot of O gauge, especially 2 rail or even 3 rail DC capable, is available in early steam models?

I did land a K-line Porter and will see what that looks like when it gets here but I am not seeing a lot of other stuff that is like anything from around 1880-1900?

Remember I would like to start with minimal roadblocks - I am not averse to kitbashing, etc. but if I do not get stuff running sooner the whole thing might run out of steam (pun?).



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Helmut F wrote:
I plan to do all/mostly steam depending upon era. I have been thinking 1880-1900 or 1920-1940 time periods.
as probably not used in the old days).

Why not the WW2 years? You can model mining for defense-related materials and can even have WW2 vehicles around the place. It also cuts down on the numbers of male figures and civilian autos (and junk yards) you'd need.
If your concept takes place on the West coast, you can model where a Japanese sub has shelled part of your layout, as well.
So many people talk about how WW2 was a high water mark for the RR industry in the US, but hardly anyone models it.



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Lee,
that is certainly an idea. is it really a rarely modeled time period? seems like it would be popular, is it not quite transition era (which i understood was very popular)?



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Hi Helmut,
Tamiya now do a range of US military vehicles in 1/48 scale that might be adaptable/suitable for a military-run mine for some rare mineral/ore.

For minimal surface buildings, you could go with an adit-type mine (tunnel into the side of a hill) rather than a shaft or open cut mine.

Possible buildings:
1 - Office/Bundy clock/change room
2 - workshop
3 - electrical switch room/lamp house

For electrical power on a WW2 remote site, perhaps look at a mine large diesel motor/generator set? This could justify a tanker for the refueler.



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Helmut F wrote:
that is certainly an idea. is it really a rarely modeled time period? seems like it would be popular, is it not quite transition era (which i understood was very popular)?
Generally, people model the 30s or earlier, the 50s or later and ignore the mid-40s. You can't have the plethora of civilian autos, no junk yards and there wouldn't be as many figures out and about.
Look into the magazines and websites on layouts and tell me; do you see the war years being a popular modeling time period? I think you'll find it's not very common.
I've spent the better part of my life researching the 1940s, and my layout is simply an extension of that. For example, when I wanted to correctly model a stateside WW2 Jeep, I had but to walk into my own garage (a mere 30-40 feet from the layout) to look at the 1944 Jeep I take to shows and re-enactments.
Everything I have on my layout is calculated to look correct for the timeframe. For example, my one large industrial building has signs on one door stating the draft designations they aren't accepting applications for (naming the correct designations for those likely to be drafted, and conscientious objects, as most wartime companies wouldn't want them around.



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