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You don't like 'Streamlining'?

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I think that whoever designed the streamlining,
didn't understand aerodynamics.

As for the ugliness? 
I think that loco can be topped. 

Sure, the streamliner looks like a chop job,
but what about this:

http://www.douglas-self.com/MUSEUM/LOCOLOCO/belgian/belg1s2.jpg





A 2-2-2 steam locomotive from Belgium.

Looks like a tank locomotive with the tanks stripped off,
and coal bunkers on the pilot deck,
plus a cab with an enclosed back and an open front.

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How about this one with its slanted boiler ?

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In the UK this one usually wins:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SR_Q1_class

At least one preserved though. Must confess to remember seeing them running as a kid.

David

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Helmut,

 Yeah,  NPC No. 21 was ugly as sin, but that thing WAS quite innovative.

Camelbacks are another ugly duckling, but that's just one man's opinion, there are those that like the look of a center-cab steam locomotive.

--James

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jtrain wrote:
Camelbacks .... there are those that like the look of a center-cab steam locomotive.

May Ross Winans bless you:bow:

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jtrain wrote:
I think that whoever designed the streamlining,
didn't understand aerodynamics.

As for the ugliness? 
I think that loco can be topped. 

Sure, the streamliner looks like a chop job,
but what about this:

A 2-2-2 steam locomotive from Belgium.

Looks like a tank locomotive with the tanks stripped off,
and coal bunkers on the pilot deck,
plus a cab with an enclosed back and an open front.


This one is actually probably a very early cab-forward,
fitted with a marine type boiler like the Northern Pacific #21.

The Italians also were running cab-forwards in the early 1900's.
Others got there well before Southern Pacific did with their AC's.


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Looks as it has been designed by a group of people that wouldn't talk to each other...
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Yep, those Camelbacks...
the fireman had to brave the elements while firing the boiler,
but he would be far less likely to get wasted when the main rod came un-done,
right under the engineer's seat! YIKES!!!

Woodie

BTW- I remember that there was an HOn3 kit for #21 some years back.
Anybody know of any models in HO or O scale?


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Had a surprise yesterday. This was on the centre turntable at the National Railway Museum at York. It is the preserved example of this wartime loco.

David


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Above loco is a Bulleid Q1 Class. Built as 'economy' WW2 locos minus all the frills & fancy bits - partly to simplify servicing but also to save on axle weight to increase route availability. Said to be the most powerful main line 0-6-0s ever to run in Britain - appearances can be deceiving.
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They were so successful that their withdrawal only started in 1963, the last one being retired  1966 and 33001 stayed in operation on the Bluebell till 2004.

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And you wonder why I don't like trains


I'm sticking with the Oldsmobile !

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A typical West Coast beach bum attitude - no appreciation of aesthetically beautiful design !
Happy Christmas Eddy,      Michael

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All it needs is about $100 of PSC detail parts and some weathering and it will be up there with the best of them.

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I kinda like that loco, but where are the cylinders?  It also looks to be quite massive for an 0-6-0, must have been able to pull quite a few cars.

Just goes to show, trains don't have to be pretty, they just need to do their job.  Plenty of elegant locos out there couldn't perform well, and met the scrappers torch many years sooner than these ugly ducklings.

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jtrain wrote: I kinda like that loco, but where are the cylinders? 

Well, the British don't like to show the works that easily
 - this loco got inside cylinders

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It also looks to be quite massive for an 0-6-0, must have been able to pull quite a few cars.

Well, the Brits kinda liked freight power without any annoying accessories like pilot or trailing trucks. This was a real main line freighter, not some yard goat.

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British Victorian design ethics. A Lady, - & all steam locos are "she's" - , should keep her important workings hidden beneath her skirts.

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What the heck is that ??

Those backwoods loggers been at it AGAIN ??

Come back clean lined GWR pannier tank, all is forgiven ! ;)

:moose:

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This loco I know something about, it was made from two locos,
an Orrenstein and Koppel 0-4-0 loco and a Krauss 0-6-0 loco,
into one geared loco that was very satisfactory during it's operating life.

Built for Jack Ezard, a major saw miller in the Australian state of Victoria.
He had mills in many locations throughout Victoria,
but is well known for his operations around Warburton and Erica regions.

I have spent many years searching and photographing the Thompson Valley Tramway,
where this loco was used.
I know where remains of this loco are, and I'm sure I have one of the tyres (cracked).

Certainly an ugly loco but it worked very well.
This loco was transferred to Erica in 1934 from the Warburton district,
and the tramway ceased operations in 1950.

.....................Peter.


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Come on...these old locos are like "Aunt Millie's wart...it kinda grows on you!"

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Howdy Woodie :cb:

You're darn right !

Dem crazy logger dudes 'll have a BASH at just about anyting !

Aunt Millies geared locomotive works have done a great job IMO !

If someone showed you a model like Aunties wart...

...it'd be, GET OUTTA HERE ... NEVER !

I do love stuff ^^ like that Frankenstein loco ! :shocked:

:moose:

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Here is another fine example of a logging loco used on our tramways in Victoria.

This geared loco was built by Day's Engineering (who built rail tractors),
using two sets of rail tractor wheels.

Built for Russells tramway at Gembrook,
which is the terminus for the Puffing Billy Railway.

Russells steel railed 3 foot gauge tramway extended into the eastern hills of the Dandenongs,
supplying Melbourne with timber for buildings etc. from 1927 till 1943, being dismantled in 1945.

Timber was brought into Gembrook by the tramway,
then loaded into Victorian Railway 2' 6" gauge (Puffing Billy) wagons,
taken to Upper Ferntree Gully, then loaded into 5 '3" gauge wagons, then onto Melbourne.

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Well, as we say here in Tejas-"That thing is butt-ugly!"


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Well, as we say here in Tejas-"That thing is butt-ugly!"

Well,as we say in Australia,it maybe slow,it maybe ugly,it may leak like sieve,but it goes.(hopefully):2t::2t:.......Peter.

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Hi Guys :wave:


I think we could be a smidgin 'off topic' ( tsk tsk tsk )


These two locos on this page are BOOOOOOTIFUL ! :bg:


When are Bachmann gonna do something THIS GOOD in On30 ? ;)


:moose:


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Si, I agree.

The last two are just great.

I also think that they are different in the way they have been built/designed,
in comparison with normal locos.

They were not designed on a drawing board,
but just build with pieces laying around and made to a new working machine.

Nothing fancy but it did the job (and it did the job very well!)

Alwin


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They may be mug ugly...

...but I like 'em ! ;)


Anymore for the fugly hall of fame ?


:moose:


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Here are a few more ugly ones.

http://www.aqpl43.dsl.pipex.com/MUSEUM/LOCOLOCO/swissHP/eb35.jpg

http://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/fileSendAction/fcType/0/fcOid/41130793050786466/filePointer/41130794680069355/fodoid/41130794680069349/imageType/MEDIUM/inlineImage/true/cloudmwcr5.JPG

http://www.douglas-self.com/MUSEUM/LOCOLOCO/chimney/97saper.jpg

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The second one is treated unfairly - what looks do you expect when a Mt. Washington rack loco is put on level track?

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Second one is either intended to go up and down vertical walls OR an early prototype for the Apollo capsule.
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Intended purpose is beside the point.
I'm sure all three I posted have a special purpose.

None the less, they are, in my opinion, ugly.

That's not necessarily a bad thing.
Ugly has character.


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Hi all

Try some of the Britton Brothers contraptions at

http://www.geocities.ws/loggingloco1/BVT/bvlocomotive1.html#loco_brittons

especially the "Marshall". 

Mind you the original Buffalo-Pitts was never going to win any beauty pageants either. 



Also have a look at Diesel #1.

This has been modelled in O scale by Aussie modeller Professor Klyzlr,
with an operating driveshaft back to the leading log bogie.

Given its Climax origins, perhaps it also gets a run here.


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I'm not totally convinced she's one of the ugliest ever ! ... I kinda like her !!  :old dude:





But 'hot-rodded' for a pole-road & those 'Carlos Vandango'  ;)  super-wide-wheels ! ...

... she aint the prettiest either !  :P


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Is that some kind of 'sanding pipe' ...  ???

... directed over the pole-road wheels of the rear truck ?  L:


:moose:


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It's rather the loco pulsometer's suction pipe.




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Not sure about the term "pulsometer",
but many logging lokies carried a suction hose to get water from the nearest "crick".

Lineside water tanks were a luxury - might have one at the main shop but not out on the road.

Even today, the Cass Scenic still uses an old tank car body dug into the hillside below the track for water.
A spring feeds the tank and the Bald Knob trains always stop and suck up on the way to the top.


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Sometimes you find sensible explanations on Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulsometer_pump



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Black Hawthorn crane tank 897 of 1897 At Consett Iron Works Co Durham in April 15th 1950.

It survived into preservation !


Tom



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