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 Posted: Tue Oct 10th, 2017 01:43 pm
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The low cost ESCs mostly run at a low frequency, 1 KHz or less and can cause noises from the motor at low speeds (which can sound kind of like diesel-electric motor growl). They also do not work well with some coreless motors that require higher frequency PWM.

The better ESCs run at a frequency outside of our hearing range.

The low cost RC discussion should be on another thread as this is about BlueTooth.



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" Well if bluerail can't get their android app to work they are sunk because I understand there are more android devices out there than apple.

Protocab here in the UK have problems as well, the product is under specified and very expensive.
Reading the website shows that you can have 9 locos bound to the Tx but only ONE can be moving,
select a second loco and the first stops, oops!

My simple one way comms Deltang stuff just keeps on working! "


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Hi Bob :wave:



Since Bluerail & Protocab were both mentioned as having various problems ...

... and a high-cost alternative was mentioned ...

... it seemed only fair to suggest a low-cost AND high-quality option for the paupers !



It's not " low cost R.C." ... Just affordable R.C.

It's important to let beginners into 'the secret', that quality R.C. can be both simple AND affordable.



Tablets, phones, apps, programming etc. etc. etc. are OK for the rocket-scientists ...

... but most people probably just want to run trains reliably & affordably.

I know I do. :)



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Well, this thread is not about R/C philosophy, or affordable R/C, but that special approach of one manufacturer by using bluetooth technology. So I would appreciate all the alternatives be discussed in their respective threads, too.



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Alas the world is not monochromatic. :f:

When comments grumbles & gripes are aired ...

... solutions & suggestions are both sought and offered.



The alternative is ORWELLIAN !

Imagine the future of R.C. ...

... as a boot stamping on a cellphone forever Winston  .  .  .



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These RC makers like SkyFly change models more often than people change diapers and politicians (often and for the same reason). What I buy today may be history tomorrow.

I ask from those that have used these "low cost" systems, please provide the parameters for choosing a Tx, Rx, ESC, battery, and any other bits needed. Remember, we're not all doing the same scale. Tony Walsham's (and Deltang) gear has proven to run my 14lb+ Williams brass 4-8-4 with ease and not difficult to wire up.

The minimum I want is motor (fwd/rev) headlight, rear headlight.

I recently bought a couple of Henglong 1/16 tanks with 2.4Ghz radios and SOUND!!! The cost was anywhere from $80 to $100 US. Even come with 7.2v LiPo batteries and charger (cheap but works).



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" These RC makers like SkyFly change models more often than people change diapers and politicians (often and for the same reason).
What I buy today may be history tomorrow."


Hi Bob :wave:



Yeah ... they keep bringing out new phones, computers, apps, cars, junk-food etc. etc. ...

... the world keeps turning, a couple of weeks & most of us get used to it soon enough.



Since the high-quality 'FlySky' equipment, is made to the now seemingly totally 'standard' 2.4 GHz format ...

... I can rest assured that my diapers won't need changing for a long time into the future.



As for specific " parameters " ... How many different locos & requirements are out there in the world ?

With a suitable E.S.C a small O-scale 4-8-4 will be a simple install.



My suggestion would be R.T.F.M. and just install the stuff in your train.

It ain't rocket-science, I'm sure most people could manage the essentially 'plug & play' wiring.



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Si,

I know you're right, just can't pull the trigger quite yet.

One of the tanks I bought came with 27Mhz and I wanted to upgrade it to 2.4Ghz.

The Tx and Rx I got didn't match any of the wiring diagrams folks on the UK RC Tank Warfare forum were showing so I had to go it alone. Twice I had smoke (and once flames!!!) come out of the Rx, but it kept working. The channel to move the main gun up/down finally gave out, yet all other functions work. One of the other tanks has the same revision Rx (5.3). That tank has a problem shooting the 6mm BBs out so this morning I swapped Rx with the one that has the burnt component. Now I only have 1 tank that has issues, but it still rolls along and fires, just not as good as the rest.

So I can RTFM, but sometimes it doesn't help.

Of course I can get a system like we're talking about for probably cheap and if it doesn't work than I won't be out of much $$$ and a little bit of time. I've done worse things with my money :doh:

Good thing is I only have maybe 6 more engines to convert, I already have all the necessary parts except the Rx for them. I may only do 2 more and give the other 4 to my grandboys.



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