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 Posted: Fri Mar 10th, 2017 09:33 pm
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A very well known

You could even say FAMOUS !

Or perhaps some would say INFAMOUS !! :f:

Wooden board

With a few bucks worth of track nailed to it. :shocked:




Photo courtesy of J. Dunn


It currently resides at the 'San Diego Model Railroad Museum' in California.

The display case looks becoming of precious ancient Egyptian treasure !

I wouldn't mind betting they've had a few $$$ cash offers for it as well !!


How much does an original Jackson Pollack go for these days.

Mmm...

There is only ONE ! original John Allen 'Timesaver' though !

Or maybe 2 absolute tops. ;)


Go pay it a visit, I'm sure it would love to see you ! :P


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Si,
Your right the John Allen Timesaver is a treasure.  When it comes to operation it is not only a challenge but also can provide endless entertainment.  Over the years I have used the basic design of timesaver as the basis for switching layouts.  Of course I expanded the plan for greater car capacity for switching layouts.  My current Geneseo Railway has three seperate switching areas.  Each area is inspired by Timesaver.  The amount of operation (and fun) is tremendous. 
In my opinion, anyone looking to model in a small space should study Timesaver carefully.  And - everyone should have Timesaver for practice and learning of operating their toy trains.  
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Darn it, I was in that museum in January and I never noticed that. That’s the original John Allen timesaver, huh? Man, I wish I’d known that was there!
The guy who did the DCC wiring for my layout (and we out for an op session this past weekend) used to go by Allen’s house when he was much younger. I’ve also met a couple of people who used to regularly run op sessions on the layout (one admitted that it was hardly a reliable layout for electric contact, but I suspect that wasn’t an uncommon thing way back then). One guy has what he claims is one of the locomotives from the layout. I took a good look and let’s just say it was a sure representation of the state of the hobby back then. Pretty much anything you buy out of the box these days is infinitely better for quality and accuracy.



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" Everyone should have Timesaver for practice and learning of operating their toy trains "


Hi Bob :wave:


You know what Bob ... That is a bit of a EUREKA moment ! :shocked:


I think you're right.

Bachmann should market an On30 'Timesaver Set' !

Sure beats seeing a R.T.R locomotive going round & round in circles ... or ovals normally.

I wonder if the On30 'Timesaver Set' would be a marketing coup ! ?


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" My current Geneseo Railway has three seperate switching areas. Each area is inspired by Timesaver. "


I had noticed actually that your switching areas were very Timesaverish. :bg:

Whether it is an exact copy or not is kinda neither here nor there.

I guess the basic concept of spurs emerging from or near a runaround-loop is a pretty universal topology.


I had to laugh the other day.

In Googling a few switching trackplans, I came to a well known online model railroading magazine site.


A guy Posted his trackplan, basically a Timesaver, and the Editor said...
...no don't make that, having a runaround-loop is a very un-prototypical layout.

Then a couple of Google searches later...

...I got back to the same site again.

Another guy Posted his trackplan, basically an Inglenook, and the Editor said...
...no don't make that, it is very operationally uninteresting, you need a runaround-loop.

I honestly couldn't stop laughing to myself ! :bg:


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" The John Allen Timesaver is a treasure."


I couldn't agree with you more Bob !!



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I always have a chuckle when the timesaver discussion comes up, as there was a prototype timesaver? railway yard built in 1895, 18 years before John Allen was born in 1913. The yard was built by the Canadian Pacific Railway and located in Sandon BC.

Along with a switchback at the start of grade, the line was 4.85% to get into Sandon. The line was built to serve the town, mines and mills located there.



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" it was hardly a reliable layout for electric contact, but I suspect that wasn’t an uncommon thing way back then "


" Pretty much anything you buy out of the box these days is infinitely better for quality and accuracy "


Hi Lee :wave:


As far as I'm concerned electrical contact is simply a matter of 'good housekeeping'.

If there is less than good wiring and a ton of dust & oil etc. in the mix...

...then the result today or way back when is going to be the same.

Decent layout wiring is easily as important as all the modeling input.


As for what I've bought "out of the box these days"...

...my Bachmann Mogul has a split plastic gear after 5 mins running.

The recently manufactured slotcars I have aren't much better either. :f:

The '50s/'60s machined-brass & diecast-metal drive-trains in the Tri-ang Railways locos I have...

...look & operate like Swiss-watches, despite some being over 60 years old.


As for accuracy, the general build & fit of parts on the Tri-ang products is second to none.

The then 'cutting edge' plastic body moulding pioneered by companies like Tri-ang...

...has really not actually changed THAT MUCH, since the mid '60s.

There is a tendency for companies like Bachmann to stick on a few more wire bits here & there these days...

...but whether a few extra odd grab-irons makes much difference to a model is debatable.


However, like any 50 year old machinery, some maintenance is of course required occasionally.

I won't be needing to spend big-money on replacing busted plastic gears & expensive motors though.

But cleaning out 1/2 a centuries worth of dust & old oil, is obviously a MUST.


The other thing for potential buyers of 'vintage' locos to be aware of, is sometimes the motors old magnet.

They can be the single & simple to fix cause of poor performance, as they 'go weak' over time.

In the case of the awesome Tri-ang motors, the whole assembly can be easily striped & maintained.

New neodymium magnets are available at £3 each, and are a simple job to change.

Spare parts like armatures & brushes are also all available at 'sensible' prices no problem.


The vintage Tri-ang products if taken care of, will still be running when I'm 6ft under.

I doubt I could honestly say the same regarding what I have bought " out of the box these days ".

They can be nice toys to play with while they last...

...but generally like many modern things, they aint built TO LAST ! ;)


:!:


Si.


Tri-ang Transcontinental, cutaway diagram from the 1960 catalogue.







 



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This photo from a while back, is of a typical Tri-ang Railways power bogie.

Not all the parts are shown.

The bronze end bearings, oil pads & thrust bearings have been removed.

So have the electrical parts, pickups & carbon brushes.


I tested these 10mm cube magnets, before I found a 3/8" cube magnet was available.

Later still, I found an EXACT SIZE with hole, neodymium replacement for the old magnet, bottom left.





For anyone looking to replace a 'weak' magnet in a vintage loco...

...if you can't find the correct size needed...

...there are LOADS of different sizes available, which could be 'stacked' to form the correct sized magnet.


All the components were de-oiled.

Using meths for the bearings, armature, electrical parts & wheels.

Hot water & detergent for the diecast chassis.


:!: Don't despair ... REPAIR ! ... as Pops used to say. :bg:


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I read somewhere and long ago that taking apart a motor would permanently weaken the magnet. Proper way to disassembly one would be to bridge first the magnets and remove the rotor after. True or just another "internet science" BS?
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 Posted: Sat Mar 18th, 2017 09:46 pm
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" True or just another "internet science" BS ? "



We ran some tests in the ' 13th Street Yard ' lab. ...

... & can confirm that IT'S TOTAL B.S !


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