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As a warm, dry option when my outdoor 7mm layout is unusable due to inclement weather I have decided to make a small HO layout again. Very hard to come to grips with such small models after years of being in S and O gauge but I will give it a try.

The  75mm foam boards and the track have been used many times before.

In this photo you can see how I have a low tech method developed over many years for designing possible track layouts :>;)

Like the outdoor layout it is principally for train watching. A storage yard will be attached off  the far end.
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I put the hours in yesterday after the glue had set and laid in a loop of track.
Enough DCC bus was installed under the layout to allow the track to be wired so a train could circulate.
Here is that first train.

The track is being held to the foam with staples made from paper clips. I do this until finally ballasting when all is in its permanent position. The track will also have cork  inserted under it at some time to help form the ballast shoulder.
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Here we see the state of play after the second day of track laying.
The inner circuit is done but yet to be wired.

I will need to make a CDU for the layout as the point to the future storage sidings is not easy to get to so will have to be motored.
Might actually lay the storage sidings in code 100 just in case someone comes with a model equipped with pizza cutter wheels for me to test.
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" code 100 just in case someone comes with a model equipped with pizza cutter wheels "


Hi Bob :wave:


Lookin' good !


My ol' vintage Tri-ang F-Unit would plough through a large deep-pan with ALL the toppings, NO PROBLEM !


You can watch the rails getting thinner with each circuit, as the serrated growler-wheels grind down the soft nickel-silver !!


:bg:


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Hi Bob,I suppose you know about Peco PL11 surface mount point motors? Might be easier than digging holes in the baseboard for the more usual twin-coil under-mounts. Can supply a  photo or 2 of PL11's when I get home later tonight. 

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Hi John, I do know about those point motors. I helped a friend solve an installation with one some time back. I have some of the regular ones in stock so will make use of what I have for the branch line exit. If I decide to motor the fiddle yard I might look at those for the job.

Hi Si, yes the original Triang wheels were something else. As a kid I still drooled over neighbours sets however. Gross wheel profiles, track that rusted before your eyes and then expect the shopkeepers to stock a competing range only slightly smaller....no wonder they had problems in the end.

Still I would have killed for a Sydney suburban set.

:>)

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The Sydney Suburban Set.

Re-introduced to the catalogue in 1968.

THREE ! cars this time & NEW Super-4 track !!

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Childhood dreams Si!!
Even today they still evoke a certain charm.

Now I have accurate models in HO and will eventually have a set in 7mm too.....when I build it :>)

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Hi Robert :wave:


It's interesting, people talk about things like 'accuracy' & 'realism'...

...but at the end of the day, our 'models' are ALL still just lumps of pretend-plastic !


What either IS or ISN'T modeled or injected in plastic is ALWAYS a choice, whether it be Tri-ang or buffed up brass.


The fact is, that 'accuracy' is an opinion in the eyes of the beholder...

...& often not even what is seen; sometimes just a 'price point' or CLAIM by whoever of indeed 'a dream' !


It's amazing what a few bits of fine wire & a spray of dirt can do to evoke a certain charm. ;)


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Keep up the good work Robert, & treat yourself to some vintage Tri-ang ( if you can afford it ! :shocked: ) ...

... you can run it at night or when the pizza-cutter critics aren't around ! ;)

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Having travelled a few miles on the Sydney system, including a day of cab riding, would not mind a set myself. Not likely to come across a set here in the GWN, will have to run my TRIANG British suburban set the odd time.
Looking at machining the drive wheels to clear code 100.
Yes I could put a new drive in, but no fun in that!.

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HOLY COW !

You serious Ken ?

All my Tri-ang GROWLER WHEELS clear the Code-100 I have.


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That Aussie suburban set was only produced for 1 year apparently.

I bet if you could even find one in Aus. it could be an expensive 'train set' ! ;)


I want one of the Aussie Transcontinental cabooses in BLUE ! :bg:

A rare breed in Blightey . . .

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Certainly has a problem on my test track, ATLAS snap track
24In radius, hits all the spike heads. Been 50+ years, in storage. Gave it a lube, runs like a top if front wheel only touch rails (Mach1), dies when spike heads lift it.
Cannot help with a Blue caboose, local hobby shop has a
GWN red version though. $5:00 Canadian & a boxcar same price.

At -28C, not going out, except to my local pub.
T-shirt weather tomorrow, only -13C

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Hi Bob and all,
I don't know if the finances will stretch to it but the Bergs Hobbies MiniModels suburban-electric sets are far more accurate and are almost assuredly far better runners. See http://www.bergshobbies.com.au/products/17 - probably the later "Standard" cars rather than the earlier Bradfield cars are closer to the Triang set.


My understanding is that the Sydney suburban sets done by Triang were a re-tool job of some UK Southern Railways designs that looked "more or less" like a Sydney suburban set. I can remember the Southern Railways green set in the Triang catalogue, with the "Sydney set" on the same page. 

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I'm with Ken, remachine those wheels so the train can be run. Might as well collect stamps otherwise :>;)
Some years ago I moved up to a coarser track (Peco code 75) to enable the then more recent offerings coming via European manufacturers to run without re-machining wheels so running Triang is definitely out on my layout as I am re-using what is left of that track for the new layout. In fact I am searching in boxes and drawers to find what was not thrown out or sold when I decided my days with such small models were over!

Only the second time I ever pre-ordered a train was when George announced he was doing a suburban set again but this time with a reliable mechanism. For once I was cashed up enough to take the risk. Mine have done some miles on my last HO layout.
These days you can get just about any version of  the Sydney electric stock from several manufacturers. They no longer appear to be something you hide when modelling friends arrive.

I did find my overhead stanchions, thought they had gone to the tip but maybe kept them to use the rail sections for some O scale structure. Might have to finish them off this time. :>;)
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This afternoon was spent with more HO. I gave a friend and his son some instructions on track laying and DCC wiring for the layout they have just started building. We even had a couple of Peco dead frog points modified for more reliable electrical performance.
It is a mishmash of stuff they have been given, childhood Lima and some items purchased at garage sales. However it is a start and I was able to get in at an earlier stage to steer them to a reliable brand of track.
They were able to run their first train by the time I left.
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Despite my hasty assembly of the electric set for the last photo I thought it best to assemble them the right way around eventually. Unlike the VR Tait sets the drivers cabs are at the opposite end to the pantograph. :>;)
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Apart from the addition of a storage yard to be attached to the rear left of the layout, the trackwork is now laid. The layout  is primarily for train watching so the design is based on that thought. The sidings are  mainly for storage not shuffling stock about but I have included a shunting neck for anyone who arrives and wishes to mix up my standard rakes. :>;)

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Howdy Bob, are you going to put up some wire on the overhead? We have some traction "old timers" here who might answer questions if you need it. I have always wanted to build a traction/electric railroad with live overhead but Shay locomotives have been my muse for years.
Have fun and run a train today...

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Probably not Woodie, it just gets in the way of maintenance. I did try it before, it does look much better but I'm pragmatic on some things. There is however a very stretchy thread on the market these days which might alter my view.
I hope to add the concrete bases and wire hangers at a later time.
As for live overhead I have tried it.

This is just a place to watch trains when the main outdoor layout is not the place to be. It might however be a way to resist the temptation to do an electric set for the O gauge layout and have to put the overhead stanchions back up outdoors :>)
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I had just enough 3" foam left to make my extra storage sidings off to one side.
I plan to have a river crossing in the gap. I found some NSWGR wooden bridge supports I had scratchbuilt in one of the boxes. Never been used.
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I found some more buildings, so I have scattered them about to consider scenic possibilities.

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It's coming together. Though railfanning is the primary goal that extension will add interest both operationally and visually.

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The extension gives me a reason to finally make use of the scratchbuilt NSWGR standard bridge piers I built years ago too Forrest.
A river crossing to access the storage sidings is now on the cards.
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Looking good Bob thanks for the link.
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Thanks Nev.

Here is a shot of a NSWGR water tank I built for a previous layout. After removing the dust it should be good for another go round.
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Oh my gosh, that water tank's bracing is worse than a biplane's wings!

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Hi Forrest,
all that bracing is needed when a southerly Buster comes through or the winter westerlies are in full cry. 

Either of them would blow a dog off the end of its chain...;)

Great job on that water tank, Bob. Yep it's good for another go-round. :2t: Looks like it holds enough to top up an AD60 Garratt, 
P1220557a by oztrainz, on Flickr
Might not be too much left for a second one though? 

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Fortunately there is only room for one 60 class on this layout (and in my wallet) John. :>)

There is a story to the cross bracing Forrest and all. It involves welding styrene rods to ABS shapes with the glues available at the time. I had two goes with different glues. Over a year or two the joints between the dissimilar plastics disintegrated each time.
The third and current bracing is now brass. If this fails its a trip to the bin !
The basic tank shape is a local kit, the rest is scratchbuilt from plastic, brass, paper and cotton thread.
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Wonderfully constructed tank Bob. Definitely deserves another go around if not several! You must have the patience of a Saint to build all the bracing, most impressive.

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thanks Doug

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Currently working with limited resources, hard drive decided to play up when I did a partition to run Linux. At the moment I am running Linux off a disc, so getting to learn it in a hurry until I can access my Windoze again.
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Well, here is the storage sidings wired up.
The front track is the programming track....code 100 in case I am asked to sort some old loco with pizza cutter wheels. :>;)

PC mostly back to normal after the glitch.  Lost of few recent photos etc.

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Today I did something I swore I would never do.
I connected a point to be operated by my DCC system.
There is only one point that is not easy to access so rather than have another p/s and build another CDU and panel I decided to give a decoder version a go.

The unit is a Cobalt ADS-2fx from DCC concepts.
It is basically a decoder, CDU and twin output device all powered and controlled from the DCC bus.
It really did save a lot of effort, I wired  it on the bench to the Peco point motor then attached the 3 wires needed to the layout when installed.
It almost programs itself, just had to select an address (I used 1) while the switch for the output I selected was thrown to the 'set' position, then throw it back to the 'run' position to use.
Simples!
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Here it is on the layout awaiting cover from the signal box for the point motor and another structure for the decoder.
I'll have to work out what to do for the rest of the day now :>;)

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Hi Bob,Are you surviving the Debbie fallout - Glen Innes just got a mention on the national news??

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Hi John, yes all OK here. I think it is going to be a bit of a fizzer for us thankfully with just some minor flooding. Not so good down the coast.

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Robert.......Would I be right in saying that there is a  PMG wire stripper on the work bench?.........Peter.

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Yes Peter, and I guard it with a shotgun, never out of sight :>)

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Morning Bob, that wire you are using for the Peco point motor looks close to the wire I use for my point motors,, what do you use for  track bus wiring, bough 7 colours out of red, where to get wire from.
I went mad and  bought what  hook up wire heavy duty they had  24/00.20mm what I am using for the buss wiring, not much left.
Nice morning here., slight nip in the air .
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Morning John we are still copping flooding up here mainly Logan  and Albert rivers but Rockhampton is bracing   for record flooding to hit Rocky Wednesday.
We had miner flooding mainly from run off neighbours yard, pergola drain couldn't cope, flay I put the modules up high.
What's the weather like where you are cooling down.
Tony from flooded SE/QLD



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As a suggestion guys for wire,try using security cable,it comes in a cable of 4 conductor or 6 conductor coloured multi stranded wires.Easy to bend  and solder.Can be bought from electrical whole seller or try your local alarm company ,they usually throw away the scraps(usually 3 or 4 metres or more)..........Robert....it's been a long time since I was using the strippers,they are very handy ...............Peter

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Hi Peter,Bob, what about data wire the is a Hole sale mob in Ipswich that sells that wire and speaker wire which I am thinking about using.

Years back I found a Recycle. shop in Brisbane that sold off cut wire and Jar Car sell that cable you are talking about.

Those rolls of wire I bought a few years back, the wire strands are silver colour and sometimes hard to solder I prefer  the brass wire strands easy to solder.

I bought from Bunning an Irwin wire stripper the best tool ever for the hobby perfect for stripping the bus wire to solder feeder wires, I recommend  it worth the money.


Tony.

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I seem to be missing a post ??

Tony I use wire salvaged from old mains extension leads for both my layouts bus wire. Droppers are whatever is on hand, usually from scrap multicore.


Peter, what year did you join? I started in 69!

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Bob

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Robert,I started at Tooronga (Melb)(T.I.T.) in 1969,must have been a good year.:2t:......Peter

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Definitely a good year. :>)
I went to the brand new North Sydney school.
In the late 70's I was wandering far from the tourist areas in Brindisi in Southern Italy and decide to grab a coffee at a cafe. hearing Aussie voices from the table nearby I joined them to compare notes, turned out the husband joined in 69 in Perth as a T.I.T. too.

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HI Bob, being on a budget I buy what I can get cheap, I like to used heaver bus wire not what you are using, I just worked it out today I have 15 blocks on the first stage of the layout.

What are you and Peter talking about the year you were in school, 1969 I was in grade 9 in a High school  Brisbane south suburb, didn't finish grade 10, I have a loco with the running number 70

My best year didn't happen to a Deckard later when I married my wife, that Deckard had its ups and downs .
Nice day here, great day working on the layout finishing a second module wire panel.

Tony,

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Tony, Peter and I are talking about the year we first joined the PMG as Technicians in Training (TIT's). The Post Master Generals Dept. provided the phone systems, mail,and overseas communication links.
They were divided up in the early 70's into several separate depts and sold off over the years. Telstra is the vague remnant of the section we worked for.
The PMG had their own education schemes just like the navy,air force, etc. They had schools in all the capitals. Sydney had 3 with one at Strathfield incorporating the linesman school plus 2 others for certain post graduation courses. The year I joined they signed on 600 in NSW. The basic course was 5 years, attrition was high as the pass mark was set higher than 50%. They told us if we failed we could apply to do another exam, but no one had ever passed one :>)
It was considered a prime job for life at the time. Just about every town held the entrance exams, with males from 16 up applying.
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Ahhh,the good old days, strowger, se50, X -bar and uni selectors,if it moved you could fix it....Peter

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Ahhh, the days when it was made here.
I even progressed to a pyramid board :>0

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HI Bob, I should of asked before replying, my friend he was PMG tech as well on QLD, he helps me out a fair bit with the wiring get a lot of advice from him, he is retired now.

Had a busy day working on my layout completed the decking for the spiral and rebuilt the frame for the spiral module, it had a bow in it fixed now ready to be repainted and finish the bus wiring.

How was your day , it was  perfect up here.

Tony.

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Tony, data wire will be ok,you get 8 conductors in a cable,just be care full not to use it where you have a lot of movement( near a hinged lid opening and closing)because single strand wire will eventually break.You can minimise the problem by having a loop of wire near the movement area to absorb the movement(allow the cable to flex)As I said earlier try your local contractors that usually throw out shorter lengths of cable(especially data cable)With my 48 years in the comms industry,I prefer by far to use security cable for wiring a layout because it is east to use,carries more current and less voltage drop.I hope this my help you .....Peter

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Morning Peter, many thanks, the wire I use has 10 or more strands even the smaller feeder wires has about 7 strands, the reason I bought the Irwin wire stripper for got fed up of when I  cut the wire coating mid stream was using a knife and cutting the strands.
Jar-car sell 10 metre rolls of 7amp rated  wire for $7, not too bad but I yet to talk to my nephew to ask him that question what they do with short length of wire they can't use, he is a sparky.
Perfect morning here was cloud free earlier not now, cooling down in Victoria, morning are cool here to nice days.
Tony from SE/QLD



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The 79 class tests out the as yet unballasted sidings with a bogie bolster wagon a long way from home.
For the more observant, there is a reason why the loco looks like a GE 44 tonner :>;)
A modified Bachmann dual motor bogie one I did many years ago. Needs re-powering.

Very tempted to treat myself to another duplex radio transceiver (UR92D) for the bedroom layout. Got used to radio throttles with the outdoor one.

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Here a couple more snaps from the layout as I figure where everything will go.
The first, a couple of buildings that have been on many a layout before.The shop is from an AMRM article and I have built copies in N,S and O over the years.The brick building just out of my head.cheers Bob

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The second shows a Trainorama 44 class ALCo  hauling a load. A big step up from the Lima ones so many of us spent hours improving which was a step up from the cardboard version I once started to build. :>;)cheers BobC

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Morning Bob, I like your latest set of three pics , how I would love to own a Trainorama 44class I have two Lima 44 class locos one in the same colour scheme both quite noisy like to remotor them  also have a 422 class as well in Lima.
Can access my gallery posting pics with windows 10 edge awesome just posted four new pics this way.
Nice morning here cooling down..
Tony

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Hi Tony, glad to hear your posting problems are solved.
Still quite mild here, no frost yet. Usually get one before ANZAC day so might be late this year.
Spent the afternoon running the O gauge.
cheers
BobC

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Tony the cheapest way to fix stuff such as Lima, Trax, Powerline, Hornby etc that come with dodgy mechanisms is to make them dummies. Run them in consist with a quality loco.
The 422's body is an accurate model and the 44's when tarted up look great, just don't run them in consist with a Traino one!

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Hi Bob, I have a friend that has re-motored his Lima and Powerline locos with whole complete  chassis he built himself  and running gear from US SD45 locos.
It is good to post more than one pic in my posts now.
I bought some 12mm ply off cuts from a timber mob today for $13, one piece  measuring  2.4m by 500mm other 4ft by 15inches wide to replace the piece of ply lift out I joined together on the first station module, cut that one up tomorrow.
Want to go back and buy the other two sheets they are the same measurements, to be cut up for the bridge frame work, need 8 lengths 6inches high by 6foot long, going to be a cable stay double deck bridge.
Very windy here today was quite warm in the sun,, cold snap heading our way.
Tony.







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