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 Posted: Fri Apr 21st, 2017 03:48 pm
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W C Greene
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OK, after reading various "pro & con" views on selling here on Freerails, I will be the big guys' "Huckleberry" and write NO SELLING ON FREERAILS. PERIOD.
I know that this will piss some off, I have been "deleted" from at least 2 websites when I called them "de-facto ebays" but I am here because the information I find is worthwhile and the modeling is the best around. I do not like to read something that looks to be something it's not...in other words, if something is for sale, it needs to be on ebay or some other place where selling is tolerated. If somebody doesn't like this attitude, just holler and bitch at me personally. Otherwise.............

Woodie C Greene



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 Posted: Sat Apr 22nd, 2017 03:40 am
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I agree completely with Woodie.

Besides, online forums are a terrible way to get rid of stuff.  Plenty of places online and in the real world that will accept used trains and train collections.  With a forum you've got to post, sift through the pages upon pages of posts, contact the one or two people who are generally interested, trade addresses, set up shipping, wait for a check to arrive, etc...  It's simply more trouble than it's worth.

But if you need another reason, a forum that allows stuff to be bought, traded, and sold quickly turns into an online farmer's market for train stuff.  This is a modeling forum for people to show off and discuss model trains, not Craigslist.  I can't speak for anyone else, but I'd greatly prefer the forum to be kept that way.

Pass it on, no damn selling on the site!  {putting that in my signature for the next few weeks}

I'd hate to see people get banned for trying to get rid of their stuff, so heed Woodie's warning well and go find a more appropriate platform to sell stuff. Please.

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 Posted: Sun Apr 23rd, 2017 11:19 am
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I've never sold anything, except for some old DCS/PS2 electronics that were replaced with BPRC.  When I see somethings being offered, I wonder why they bought it in the first place L:

I don't mind individual folks who do though, I like to pick up bargains when I can.

But when I see people selling week after week and often selling brand new equipment I begin to wonder if they are individuals, or businesses trying to get around the system.

The OGR forum has a good For Sale and Wanted sub-forum, but even there I see folks who are definitely in it as a business.  OGR claims zero responsibility for transactions in those forums, so anything that goes south is handled by the participants, although the crooks usually get booted, by word of mouth, fairly quickly.  I've picked up some nice pieces off their For Sale forum.

Here's their "Rules":

The posting rules here are pretty simple:
  • OGR Forum members may post items for sale in this forum only.
  • You are allowed ONE POST PER DAY.
  • If you have multiple items to sell, put them all in a SINGLE post.
  • You must list a price for each of your items. This is not an auction site.
  • Conversations about the products being sold should be done via email, not via additional posts on the thread.
  • "Bumping" is not permitted.
    If a post is added to your thread, that will "bump" it to the top. If you do that, the entire thread may be deleted.
  • If you add or delete items from your original post or change the price(s) by a significant amount, you may add a post to the thread announcing that. We won't consider that to be a bump.
  • Do NOT post "Email Sent." or other communications like that.
    That is considered a "bump" and the post will be deleted anyway.
  • Use pictures! Items listed with pictures sell much faster than items listed without pics.



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 Posted: Thu Apr 27th, 2017 05:52 am
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Admin. are investigating a number of threads at the moment


They are all basically ADVERTORIALS


Commercial companies using Freerails for the purpose of free advertising



This site is called Freerails.com


Not freakin FREE ADVERTISING . COM !



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 Posted: Thu Apr 27th, 2017 06:48 am
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I follow and contribute to this great forum for advise,help,ideas and inspiration which has happened many times.I think having advertising and for sale adds, how ever it is done is taking the idea of the forum away from it's purpose and lowering the standard of this forum.If I want to buy trains I go to an on- line shop or even E bay.If I need inspiration and ideas  I come here.I like it as it is...just my thoughts....Peter  :thumb:  



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 Posted: Thu Apr 27th, 2017 08:10 am
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You're right when you install mechanisms to save the forum from becoming the playground for all sorts of spam and camouflaged advertising in threads. On the other hand, if I and many others would not have read e.g. DavidT's posts, some fruitful outcomes in BPRC of model railroads would not have happened here. It is difficult to handle contributions that are both very useful  how-tos and referring to the contributor's business at the same  time. Many of those are what MR in a 60's article used to call 'Basement Operators', that is hobbyists who try to market hobby-related items on a rather small scale, too. Mostly they have specialized in one aspect, have developed some techniques and tools which they found useful and timesaving, and try to reap some compensation for their efforts they think others can also benefit from.
Many forums have handled this problem by establishing a classified corner, the rules described a bit further up seem to be a good guideline for that.
Just my 2 cents.

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 Posted: Fri Apr 28th, 2017 01:55 am
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It seems that these days, everyone can own a website to do with it whatever they want. If a "small time manufacturer" has something to sell, they need a site to spotlight it and promote/sell the product...but not here. I have some "dioramas" which I would like to begin selling but they are not really "model train oriented" and I will not offer them to this group. If I can find another way, others can also. Now it might be OK to post a link to a site but perhaps it should be prefaced with some type of disclaimer. This may be one of those "gray areas" or an outright "black hole".
The real problem is that something promoted for sale here and turns out to be crap might, MIGHT cause folks to condemn Freerails as being at fault for allowing this to happen. There are scammers out there, many in the model train hobby. Maybe most won't remember this but many years ago, a fellow began selling copies of SS Ltd. detail parts and kits...hell, they were worthless things made by a lousy mold maker who used the original SS parts, made "molds" and sold them in the model magazines. No internet then. After his scam was "discovered", his ads were taken off the mags but they still had to suffer readers writing about how they felt the magazines were complicit in allowing this to happen. And this is just one case of many others. That's probably why we (ME) don't want selling here. Do you see what I mean?

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 Posted: Fri Apr 28th, 2017 02:15 am
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When in doubt post at FleaBay.
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 Posted: Fri Apr 28th, 2017 02:27 am
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I've been hanging out here for going on 6 years. It seems to me selling has just lately become a issue. I'm for no selling. Especially the misleading random post. Helmut mentioned DavidT.  He went about it in a different way.  It's not like he started a thread with a catchy headline just to get you to click and see his product. 
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 Posted: Sat Apr 29th, 2017 11:38 pm
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Well, I am seeing something lately that makes me consider moving on. A moderator that hides behind a fake name and presumes to tell me what I can and can't watch and comment on.
I have looked at a few of these threads and can see no advert. The rules state no monetary value to be discussed here (something I agree with) however I see no sign of that on the threads I have looked at. In fact no sales pitch all all.
I have actually considered the low key interaction with suppliers of goods and services to be had here, one of the attractions of Freerails. There are opportunities I would not have known about if I was not on this site.

Sincerely
Robert Comerford
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