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 Posted: Sun Jun 11th, 2017 10:38 pm
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Okay, but then what happens to regular members who have a commercial interest as well as a personal interest in the hobby?  Two examples I can think of are Joey Ricard and Mike Fifer.  Both are regular contributors, both produce excellent work, not to mention great videos.  But both also have small businesses and subtle advertising is crucial to their success.  Mike always mentions his hobby shop at the start of his videos and Joey often demonstrates his own products in his videos.  I'm also willing to bet that more than a few members here buy from their stores as well.

That being said, neither outright sells products on this site, they just advertise in the form of links to their websites.

I suppose then the question should be, will selling AND advertising of any kind be banned, or is advertisement okay so long as selling is done off the form?

Or...

Should the rule simply be that all posts lacking informative content are banned from the site?  That would free moderators to rid us of scams, blatant sales, fake accounts and other undesirables without needing to carve out a loophole for legit members with small businesses.

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 Posted: Mon Jun 12th, 2017 02:39 am
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I do not believe in censorship but I do believe in self control. OK, if somebody wants to sell his wares without outright advertising then maybe he/she should use a bit of discretion and live with the "rules of the road". Today, too many are looking for the "back door" way to do something that is frowned upon, judgement is out the door, back or front.
No, I don't like the outright selling of products here on this site but I believe that those who do want to push their products, etc. will find a way to do it within the constraints of the "rules". Is this right? I don't believe so but if I push the issue then I may be seen as heavy-handed and pushing my beliefs on others who just want to promote themselves.
Today, few take responsibility for what they do just what they can get away with.
By the way, I own some ocean front property just outside Tucson which I would love to sell. Anybody?
To everybody's relief, I won't comment on this issue any more and if the Adm. wants to delete my words or the whole thread then that's OK. I got trains to build and a sideline which won't be promoted here...unless I can find that back door!

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Non-commercial is non-commercial. Period. You can't be "a little pregnant". Either you are or you are not.
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 Posted: Tue Jun 13th, 2017 12:41 am
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I've got no personal stake in this, being that I'm a average Joe with no commercial interest in the hobby, therefore I'm happy to go along with whatever the admin decide.  That being said, I still thought it was important to clarify that aspect of the rule changes.  When reducing a massive grey area to a fine line, there's a lot more to consider besides the occasional scam.

Thanks for the clarification.

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 Posted: Wed Jun 14th, 2017 10:01 am
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" thought it was important to clarify that aspect of the rule changes.
When reducing a massive grey area to a fine line "  -  James.


" one of the things I like best about buying and selling things in forums I participate in
is that I'm dealing with people I've established a relationship with."  -  Mike.


" You're right when you install mechanisms to save the forum from becoming
the playground for all sorts of spam and camouflaged advertising "  -  Helmut.



Hi Guys :wave:



Thanks very much for all your thoughts regarding advertising & product-placement on Freerails.


Just to clarify several things.


First of all, there are no "rule changes" at present.

The guidelines for offering PERSONAL ITEMS for sale, were Posted by Herb, way back when.

They are both simple & clear, as to how PERSONAL ITEMS for sale may be Posted on Freerails.



They are here :-

Herbs Guidelines For PERSONAL ITEM Sales

Couldn't be more straightforward.



Since being a Member of Freerails myself, I've seen less than 1/2 a dozen items offered by Members.

They have ALL without exception, been PERSONAL ITEMS of a model-railroading nature.

They have NOT been 'advertorials' for commercial company bulk-product sales.

Neither have they directed Members to commercial company sales-websites.

Not a problem whatsoever.



The principal problem being looked into at the moment is ...

" all sorts of spam and camouflaged advertising "


Freerails as you know, is not a place jammed full of RULES !

Not only is potential 'rule-making' tedious, but is largely un-needed.

There are of course UNWRITTEN RULES as well !

One of the most blindingly obvious 'Unwritten Rules', is that Freerails is a NON-COMMERCIAL SITE.



What is being looked into at present, is simply instances where existing 'Guidelines' are NOT being followed.

There seems to be an idea floating about, that if $$$ money isn't mentioned, then it's OK.

The 'Guidelines' however, are clearly stated in regard to PERSONAL ITEMS only.

There are NO 'Guidelines' regarding COMMERCIAL COMPANIES ...

... since Freerails is a NON-COMMERCIAL SITE.



I hope that illustrates the difference between PERSONAL and COMMERCIAL fully.



It would be great to hear any further comments on this discussion.

So if any Members wish to chip in, please do so.



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 Posted: Thu Sep 14th, 2017 04:51 pm
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I definitely do not want to see this site go commercial.  It's a lot of fun just the way it is.

On the other hand I do not want to be cut off from what happening in the wold of model railroading.  Very often here a specific item or product is mentioned to assist a modeler in achieving a desired goal. 

For example: Let's say that Woodie has decided to release some rolling stock in 1/35 scale.  I, for one, definitely want to know about it.  But, I don't want to have to hear about it every day.

To borrow Hipshot Percussion's motto: "Moderation In All Things."

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 Posted: Thu Sep 14th, 2017 06:59 pm
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Interesting idea Michael, me releasing 35n2 kits! My God, I would make millions! It is OK to post:"I found this thing the other day, here's a link/photo, but I have no commercial connection whatsoever." That is fine. The idea is to provide information but not blatant sales BS. There are other websites that have "for sale" sections but here's what "the boss" & I think-somebody buys something shown here and gets ripped off, the buyer then is pissed off at Freerails for allowing some dude to sell crap or steal money from them. Get my drift?
That position was set up many years ago, in a galaxy far far away...but it is the way it is.
Now, fire up #4 and run some ore to the mines, that's more fun than worrying about this issue.
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 Posted: Thu Sep 14th, 2017 10:40 pm
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Are you trying to SELL ORE here?. It's against regs!!!
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Hey Woodie...
Your'e going the wrong way about this.
You should be haulin' ore AWAY from the mine with #4 :P



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 Posted: Sat Sep 16th, 2017 01:39 am
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Must be a government-sponsored operation...
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