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 Posted: Sun Apr 23rd, 2017 10:16 am
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James 65
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Hello fellow modelers,
I'm a newbie and have started with Marklin in HO scale. I originally started with a starter set and I have added a considerable amount of track and turnouts to complete my layout, using SCARM.
I'm now at the point where I need to /or would like to move away from the handheld infra red controller that came in the starter set, purely as the unit is not holding up to continuous use. I also have two locos programmed both on the same position (1) on the controller. I opened the one loco only to find that the decoder is set and doesn't have dipswitches.
I'm also still struggling to understand the difference between dcc and Delta. As far as I can establish my locos (4) are delta. I'm able to run all of them from the remote controller at this point, only having lights as an additional.
I would like to also change and put motors in my turnouts. What I've been able to gather is the motors can be used without decoders through a Marklin keyboard. This is where I am now. I looked at the older controller 6021 with transformer and then keyboard 6040. The other option is to move over to the 60553...until I got pricing!!
My layout was started for my two sons and built with the idea for them to also have fun, so investing nearly R15000 additional for turn out motors, decoders and controller puts it into a completely different league for me at this point. The 6021/6040/transformer setup will be a bit cheaper, but I'm not sure if its worthwhile going this route. This will however not require decoders for the turnouts, saving about R3500..
I would appreciate any assistance and guidance.
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James

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 Posted: Sun Apr 23rd, 2017 01:58 pm
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Lots of questions that cannot be answered in one reply.
First of all, the Märklin digital format ( the language the decoders are addressed in ) differs completely from DCC. Märklin doesn't like its customers to shop around elsewhere, so this is proprietary. Most  of the German and Austrian decoder makers incorporate the ability to understand 'Märklinese' in their products, however.
Second, your models have "fx-type" decoders, that can be programmed using the infrared remote from the starter set ( to a limited address set) or by the 6021, the more advanced Mobile Station,  and the CS2 central units. In any case, you can assign each loco a different address. Sound advice, as usual, RTFM!
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the point motors of the older points do not have built-in decoders at all and always require a k83 decoder. The new line of motors feature built-in decoders. The keyboard or the 6021 provide only digital signals to control these, but cannot operate any elctromagnetic device directly.



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 Posted: Sun Apr 23rd, 2017 02:50 pm
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Dear Helmut,
Thank you for your response and info. It then seems the 6021 with 6040 keyboard for switches still require the turnout motors to have a decoder as well. I have looked and the motor is sold separately to the decoder.. Ive tried to set my one loco that has a duplicate address to another address but I cant seem to get it right.
Onto DCC, does this mean that if I buy a Marklin DCC loco I wouldn't be able to run it?
Please bear with me, as you can see I'm still very new at this.


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James

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 Posted: Sun Apr 23rd, 2017 05:00 pm
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The new generation of Märklin-decoders they use in their DCC ( mostly 2-rail products - cf. HAMO ) can also understand Motorola ( the Delta format ) and  mfx ( the actual Märklin digital format )



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