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 Posted: Tue May 30th, 2017 11:47 am
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Coming on very nicely Will but presumably you'll fit the originally intended long smokestack to the steam dummy or your crew might be asphyxiated and at best unsighted!

I wonder if your original model would have worked if you had fixed the rear bogie Forney style sliding in a crosswise slot. It wouldn't have overcome the Forney rear overhang problem of course so pulling any other vehicles would probably only have worked driving in reverse!

That's a smart kit from Sarissa and 28mm scale things can work fine with On30. I've used the Dixon Miniatures Western figures as passengers in Updah's coaches and on the stagecoach as they're just that bit smaller than full 1/48 scale figures and fit in the spaces available much better. At normal viewing distance you'd hardly notice their reduced size.


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 Posted: Tue May 30th, 2017 03:54 pm
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Im still toying with how to model the smoke-stack, on the one hand, there is this style that I originally intended, by lengthening it with some tube and have it poking through the roof:









But there is also this idea, with a spark arrestor which follows the roof profile:






















I was pretty disappointed that my original idea didn't quite work. I tried removing most of the plastic stops from the rear bogies so that they could rotate about 300°, but that didn't work. I tried elongating the mounting hole width-ways, which worked, but as you guessed, it meant nothing could be pulled. I even tried a single hinge point at the very front, which actually worked the best when combined with the increased movement of the rear bogie, but meant having to cut so much of the floor out that the body flexed so much that the roof kept separating from the body. I even considered a concertina bit in the middle, like on Boris' Buses, but then saw sense and shortened it more and built what I have.




I do have 8 more Christmas coaches, so I may try it again with the rear bogie being replaced with the pilot wheel from a 2-6-0.







I have been collecting figures from a few different sources and have to agree, some of those wargaming figures are fantastic (though some are awful or awfully expensive) and the scale variations make it seem a lot more realistic as people are not all the same height in real life! I currently have a mix of Chinese 1:48, Chinese 1:50, HLBS 32mm, Paper street Soap Co 40mm (these are really nice, but sadly discontinued), trent miniatures 32mm and Pegasus Hobbies 1:48 Gold miners. About 100 figures in all!











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Interesting alternatives for the smokestack Will. I look forward to seeing what you decide on finally.

For foreground figures, if you don't mind a bit of carving to remove unnecessary parts, Wild West Exodus figures are nicely moulded and pretty close to 1/48 scale. They're very "sci=fi" but I've modified and used a few as country music singers and other characters in Updah and being resin, they're relatively easy to work on.

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 Posted: Tue May 30th, 2017 10:19 pm
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So Will, are the Paper Street Soap guys the old HLBS 40s?  If so try here:
http://www.miniaturefigurines.co.uk/Catalogue.aspx?ScaleID=14&CategoryID=49
Matchlock Miniatures took over the HLBS line.  I have had great service from these guys in getting the rest of my Hollywood (er' eyetalian) Horse Opera figures.
Also try Knuckleduster.com the US distributor, has many figures and now a line of "O Scale" folks too.  He offers very good service and a quick turn around on orders.
Do tell where you got your 1/48 Chinese though.  I need some 1880s track workers.
Thanks!
(PS - I have no affiliation with the sellers listed above, they are just resources and I hope that I don't offend anyone's delicate sensibilities with the commercial aspect of trying to find products needed to round out a niche model railroad.  I know this has been a problem on other threads. - SJB)
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 Posted: Wed May 31st, 2017 09:31 am
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Yes, the paper street soap co are the old HLBS figures. I got some knuckleduster figures, but I was not that impressed, they looked like they has been poorly cast, plus they were all in one zip-lock bag, so after almost a month in transit, they were pretty bashed about.

The 1:48 and 1:50 chinese figures are those cheap ones from China, like 100 for £1, they are just generic figures that come unpainted, that will become the less detailed figures inside buildings, kind of like extras in a movie!

If you are after Chinese workers, the only ones I have seen, are the ones in this kit:

http://pegasushobbies.net/catalog/p113/%237007-1/48-Calif.-Gold-Miners-/-Gold-Rush/product_info.html

Here is a close-up of them on the box art:



They could easily be re-purposed into track workers!






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I really like your work so far and your structures look very well done.
When it comes to modeling the ‘Old West’, you can either model the real west or the ‘Movie’ west. One of the many aspects of the movie west that isn’t historically accurate is the extremely small buildings. In movies, it’s cheaper to build a small structure and takes up less set space that way. That also goes for the type of towns you see in movies where there are less than a dozen tiny structures packed close together in the middle of a giant open expanse.
Structures in the real west were actually much larger than what you see in movies (the Old Tucson set had structures that were almost the right size, historically). Saloons in some towns were as big as their modern counterparts, even much larger in some cases. Livery barns and mercantile stores were usually quite large, as a small structure wouldn’t make much money. Livery stables were usually a little further away from the rest of ‘downtown’ for obvious reasons of the smell. Schools and churches were indeed often well away from everything else, which is something the movies do get right. The outlying houses around any such town are often curiously missing from movie western towns.
This shows how brig and sprawling a western town could get, circa 1881:

I’m not knocking anyone who wants to embrace the movie west for a layout theme, but I must admit I’d love to see someone model the much larger towns in the west that actually existed.
Also, gun control was very common in towns back then, you rarely ever saw people walking around with six guns. Don’t forget, the gunfight at the OK corral actually started when the Earps and ‘Doc’ Holiday went to disarm the Clantons and McLaury’s (who were seen carrying firearms beforehand).
I’m not making ANY comment about gun control in general (I’m a lifelong competitive shooter and strong supporter of the 2nd amendment), but point out historical facts.



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I send most of my brawlers to "occupational therapy."  I figure if they are tired from honest labor, they are too tired to shoot up the town.  :cb:

Most of my people are too gainfully employed in drayage, rounding up doggies, mining, moving logs or other lucrative pursuits, them big ol' hog legs get in the way, so they take them off.:mex:

There is quite a bit of filing and repositioning going on in my figures.



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Interesting about old towns, Lee--Thanks for the  historical info.

Back to the first photos, I "vote" for the first arrangement, with a stack extension, of perhaps a scale foot to keep cinders from blasting clerestory of roof.


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Lee, it will be a mix of movie West and Real West. Some of my buildings are inspired bythe structures in Bodie, CA and some are based on Front Street in Dodge city. But there are also structures influenced by Westworld and Red Dead Redemption.








So I added the stack and a few other details and now, aside from re-fitting the Kadees and adding an engineer, my Steam Dummy is finished. I went a bit overboard with the weathering and then had to spend hours stripping it back with alcohol and the chain is slightly too large, but I'm pretty pleased. What do you think?













































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I'm excited about the new Red Dead in the works. I'm liking the steam dummy as well. 
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