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 Posted: Fri May 19th, 2017 07:50 pm
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Anyone happen to have any Hartland stuff along with LGB narrow gauge or Bachmann?

I currently have a Bachmann Big Hauler Porter 0-4-0 side tank and a Bachmann Spectrum 2-4-2 side tank and am wondering how they would look next to a Kalamazoo/Hartland 0-4-0 and other Hartland stuff.

I am considering the Hartland because it is probably a bit more sturdy/less details for children/guests.

I was given the measurements on a Hartland 0-4-0 and by size is it quite compatible with the two Bachmann locos (the cab is even a bit taller.

My other choices are the LGB 'westernized' Stainz type 0-4-0t's with cow catcher, etc. or Forney's or Moguls.  I am somewhat hesitant on the Moguls as my turn radius will be small, probably 5ft min.

If I find anything elsewhere on these size comparisons I will post back for completeness.

Thx for any help!



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 Posted: Sat May 20th, 2017 12:55 am
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I have no Hartland stuff, but I do have LGB and Bachmann.
LGB is to 1:22.5 and Bachmann is 1:20.3 scale.
The difference is hardly noticeable.
The LGB Mogul does 5' radiuses with ease. They struggle on 4', but actually makes it.



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so it is not true that Bachmann Big Hauler line is 1:22.5 and Spectrum 1:20.3? I had thought there was a dividing line there (maybe not all that visible as you state!).

I know LGB has taken liberties with dimensions, but I do not intend to count rivets, I want plausibility.



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 Posted: Sat May 20th, 2017 02:59 am
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I know LGB has taken liberties with dimensions, but I do not intend to count rivets, I want plausibility.

Look at pics of prototype older rolling stock. They are NOT exactly the same size, some are  little higher or lower, maybe a bit wider or narrower, lengths vary, etc. Hardware (steps, grab irons) and floor height are supposed to be equal due to human dimensions. So if it looks close enough go for it.
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(dang I've had to come back and fix a bunch of typso)
The Big Hauler line is closer to 1:22 instead of 1:20.
For example, door on Big Hauler passenger car is 3 and 3/8 (3.375) inches, 85mm tall.
In 1:20 scale that would be 5ft 7.5inches tall.
In 1:22 6ft 2.25 inches.

Hartland can be considered 1:22 or 1:24, and a little flexible. While I don't have their 0-4-0 or Dunkirk locomotives I do have their 4-4-0, 2-4-4 Forney, and a number of Mack/Sparky 4 wheel gas and electric locos. Plus a number of cars, the minis in particular.
Sturdy, reliable, no frills - if it isn't needed, it's not there to get broken.

Motors are sealed inside the structure with no ventilation (read water access) and HLW recommends pure filtered DC to prevent motor heating.

Here's the innards of their Mack/Sparky drive block, brutally simple, and sturdy.


Last edited on Sat May 20th, 2017 03:14 am by Kitbash0n30



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 Posted: Sat May 20th, 2017 04:00 am
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Thx Kitbash, do you have any Bachmann stuff to compare to the Hartland stuff? LGB?

I can add detail if I want, but mostly I want (as I repeatedly state) plausibility and I also want reliabitlity and simplicity. The simpler it is, the easier it will be to add my choice of electronics.



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 Posted: Sat May 20th, 2017 07:23 am
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Have no LGB. All my large scale motive power is either Bachmann or Hartland.
so far the fanciest electronics I've doen are to add LED headlights and to the PRR locomotive the various class and marker lamps.
Have added details and that is an ongoing project.
I refuse to buy any more HO Bachmann locos but their G is pretty decent.

all I hasve in Bachmann G locos is their 4-6-0 locos, Big Hauler train set locos and one Anniversary Edition ("Annie") which is a higher quality, heavier duty, version of 4-6-0.
Over the years they have improved the drive train and other bits.
but the Big Haulers are still not 20 car freight drag haulers.

4-6-0 guts; 1st 2 are Big Hauler, 3rd is Annie.








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 Posted: Sat May 20th, 2017 07:33 am
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Thx! Yeah I know about the Big Hauler 4-6-0's. I have a gen 5 Christmas set and if I get another it would be a anniversary edition. I also do not intend to pull long trains, except maybe small, mini gondolas.

Any particular reason for no LGB? For me the contact shoe on them bugs me for some reason, but since I will convert to BP I can remove those.

The reason I asked in the first place is to try and choose between the Hartland or LGB Forney.



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Helmut F wrote: Any particular reason for no LGB?Dollars, mostly.
The location and era of the models, secondly.
If it wasn't for disability settlement in 2009 wiht over a year's worth of back pay I would have very little G. I figured that was my chance and went shopping wiht intent to help out a recently opened hobby shop in our rural midwest burg of 8,300 or so. Economy has since forced closing of that shop.

Have heard modelers with LGB products talking about issues with time of production and country of production; some ya want, some ya don't.
What few LGB products I have handled felt sturdy and well made.



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got it, thx. the LGB cars I have seem quite sturdy, i have a Stainz that came as part of a set that I will be selling, but it seems quite good as well. I just don't like those pickup shoes!

So I have a line on a couple Hartland/Kalamazoo 0-4-0's and wonder how they look next to the LGB stuff and then decide between Hartland or LGB Forney for a future purchase.



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