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 Posted: Thu Jun 22nd, 2017 06:15 pm
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Lee B
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I never 'hated' Furlow's work as such, as I loved reading his articles.
Heck, I even saw his layout at the LGB HQ in Germany.
It’s the ‘whimsical’ nature of his work that I grew tired of early on, just as I never considered John Allen’s work all that impressive in a modern context other than his scenery and structure scratch building efforts.
Swayback cars that almost had the truss rods scraping on the rail heads, odd looking figures and structures that had such a tiny footprint that you’d never fit more than 2 people inside them as well as an overall “Disney-esque” look to the land was what I had little need for from the man’s work.
His layouts looked to me like what Disney’s “Big Thunder Mountain RR” roller coaster would look like if they’d had freight cars. It’s the banner under which all the whimsical modelers assembled. That’s just not my thing.
It’s also the reason why I don’t lock step with many On30 modelers.



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 Posted: Thu Jun 22nd, 2017 06:18 pm
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Hmmm. Got it. I was unaware that the original didn't work. The concept and basic shape of the track plan is appealing to me because of the scenes created along the way.I'm personally not in this sport for the operation so much, I'm a scenery and details guy.I understand the two camps in the Furlow debate, and I certainly never met the man, but I do admire the SJC project and think it probably helped grow the hobby.I think layouts like the SJC that work as a whole in terms of the visual appeal are more interesting to see than those that don't tie together as well.just my .02 of course...Stan



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 Posted: Thu Jun 22nd, 2017 08:51 pm
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So Stan, where are you with your track plan?  How about enumerating on the size of your space, your thoughts on the concept of the railroad other then the SJC track plan, what's it purpose, and the ever important, have you given battery power any thought? Just a few more ideas as to what you are after, besides I would be the last to really give suggestions on an actual track plan, I can't follow my own drawings.Steve

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 Posted: Thu Jun 22nd, 2017 09:05 pm
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sure Steve.-We are in the process of selling our house in Ma. and building a new smaller one in N.E.Connecticut.There will be a sizable (42X 29)  basement with lots of daylight and walkout.I will have a (small) woodworking shop and some guitar/amplifier repair benches as well.Of course there will need to be utilities, laundry, etc. too.That said, I'm hesitant to start a large layout even though there will be room for it.I Just turned 65, still working at least part time and we want to do some traveling.So I will have limited time to devote to the layout. I gave away my HO layout in the process of getting ready to sell the house, this will be my first 0n30 layout.So I'm thinking I want to keep it to a modest size so I will have a shot at finishing it rather than starting a huge project that will never be complete.I haven't settled on a track plan yet but the theme will be backwoods western mining/logging running small Porters, Shays 18ft rolling stock, etc.I have been scouring the web for track plans (I think I've seen them all!) and have considered the SJC, some HO 4X8 type plans, even some small round stuff.If I can figure out how to post pictures I'll put up some of the things I've been looking at.Stan



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 Posted: Thu Jun 22nd, 2017 09:41 pm
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Stan, if you e mail me at traindadders@gmail.com I will send you some photos of my mega On30 railroad, no don't try building this much.  I am 70, retired and have started a second railroad out in an 11'x25' shed, it is 3/8's. Since the On30 is 90% complete I decided it was time to go larger in size, which means less, but all very doable.  I don't do much posting and never photos, lack of skill sets.So, it sounds like you have a plan to some degree and if you remember it isn't the end of the trip that is important, it is the journey getting there, you should do well.  I do think if you can do something slightly bigger then 4'x8' you would be happier. Woodie has done a bunch of modules and they are just incredible, this might be a thought for you.  It is surprising just how much railroad will fit on a 2' or 30" wide module, most of my 3/8's stuff is 30" wide and I have a very detailed new railroad.  This time I am only working about 8' in length before doing more and moving along, scenery wise, I do have all of the track in and it like the On30 is battery powered.OK, time to fix us dinner and maybe do some modeling tonight.S

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Real model railroaders don't hate Malcolm Furlow. 
A few people don't like him, but that is their problem, not mine. 
Jon Olson and Malcolm Furlow have inspired many model builders. 
Model Railroader and RMC would not have featured them so prominently if most people didn't like them. 
I'm saddened by the fact that a small, but highly vocal group drove Furlow out of the hobby.
I would love to see more of both Furlow and Olson. 



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 Posted: Fri Jun 23rd, 2017 10:42 pm
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darrylhuffman wrote: I'm saddened by the fact that a small, but highly vocal group drove Furlow out of the hobby.
As I understand it from someone who encountered Furlow a few years ago, nobody drove him out of the hobby. Instead, he got tired of it and moved on to other stuff.



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 Posted: Sat Jun 24th, 2017 03:43 pm
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So...Like I was saying' :-)
Been looking at several HO designs and trying to get comfortable with them being made to work in 0n30. Been reading a lot of "don't do it" posts.I will run only the smallest equipment, Porters, critters, etc. Mining and maybe Logging. 18" curves seem to be OK for that type of small stuff. Some of the small portable layouts have 12" radii. That's what got me looking at the HO designs.How much bigger do you think the SJC would need to be in 0N30?The "real" multiplier is 181% (I think) but the 0n30 equipment is really much smaller than real O scale. Could it be made to work at something bigger than the original Hon3 but smaller than actual O? Got my helmet on, fire away :-) Stan
I think if we were able to agree on a reasonable multiplier (or other process) for adapting HO plans for use with small 0n30 equipment and structures, a lot of 0n30 modelers would appreciate the vast supply of useable HO layout designs on the web...



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@Stan S
I think that 'blowing it up' to S scale , i.e. by 135%, will make you comfortable with 0n30. This argument holds only for a plan intended for H0 standard gauge. Ng to Ng still will need the 180%.
Having had a look at the track plan, 15" curves are perfect in order for H0n3 ( remember- Jack Work went down to 10" ) and there is no reason by design hindering this layout from being perfectly operational. If you were building this in H0n30, and still want it to represent D&RGW prototype, no reason would justify shrinking it according to the gauge ratio. The vehicles' dimensions would still be the same - unless you change over to 30" prototypes ( or 24" equipment ). What does all this reasoning mean for 0n30?
Unless you choose a prototype with a smaller loading gauge than H0n3, you'll have to stick with the 1.8 factor. If you were willing to use smaller-outline equipment, you get away with 1.35

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 Posted: Sat Jun 24th, 2017 07:57 pm
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Thanks Helmut, I will take a run at that ratio and report back. I have heard rumors about people using selected S scale structures for 0n30, did I imagine that? :-)



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