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 Posted: Tue Oct 24th, 2017 02:25 pm
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The problem with cheap hobbyist solutions is that is not what the market wants. Their ideal is a simple plug in receiver so they insert the batteries, switch on the controller and away they go. To do this you need a loco with a battery compartment. You can use lipos especially if you use a camera style battery and charger. Or you could use commercial NiMh AA or AAA batteries. I have recently converted a number of diesels that can use either with good results



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" I'm with Si. on going BPRC.  It doesn't have to be expensive.
I picked up a FlySky Tx and Rx, ESC, and LiPo battery for about $30.
Even at $30 per loco it's still a lot cheaper than installing DCC receivers."



Hi Michael :wave:



Strictly speaking, It doesn't have to be anything like as much as $30 per every single loco either ! :bg:

On the 2nd loco to be R.C.ed, you don't actually NEED another Transmitter ! :)



So the cost of the 2nd loco can just be ...

... the cost of another 'FlySky' receiver at just $4 inc. P&P each, + the E.S.C & battery costs.









For me in U.K. £s, the cost of R.C.ing a 2nd loco would be as follows :-

£3.84p inc. P&P - 'FlySky' Receiver.
£2.54p inc. P&P - E.S.C. Electronic Speed Controller.
£1.36p inc. P&P - LiPo battery.
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£7.74p inc. P&P - TOTAL
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So at $1.30c / £1.00p currency exchange-rate ...

... That's a grand total of ... ONLY $10.06c U.S. ... for me to fully fit a 2nd loco !! :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked:



Top-quality & fully-modular 'FlySky' 2.4 GHz loco installations CAN be very very affordable indeed.



Just think outside the box ...

... Don't believe the hype ...

... & leave the Credit-Card at home !



You just need a $10 Dollar bill !! :shocked: :)



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davecttr wrote: The problem with cheap hobbyist solutions is that is not what the market wants. Their ideal is a simple plug in receiver so they insert the batteries, switch on the controller and away they go. To do this you need a loco with a battery compartment.
That's exactly where the drawback is. Today's loco models have space for a DCC-decoder, and maybe a loudspeaker. So a complete PnP solution is not possible - you may have R/C, but still rail supply. This is no advantage compared to the present control system. You may take weight out to get that compartment, but at the cost of traction.To me, it will remain a niche ( very comfortable for me ) set apart from the mainstream, for a long time.



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The thing about the Tam Valley solution was that enabled one to combine battery power and remote control with DCC. It was never meant to be a cheap solution, but in the context of what many modellers spend on buying multiple versions of new releases, not very expensive, either. I view a DCC loco module as a programmable microcomputer, with (in my case) programmable sounds. With the super capacitors now in use, I can go for simpler wiring, and simply not wire up anything like common crossings, but I was hoping to get completely away from powering the rails by using batteries and (eventually) induction charging.

I have the book, so I can make the basic tx and rx myself, but having just bought the rather nicely designed controller/command station, plus a receiver, I am left with an obsolete system.

Calling it dead rails was a mistake, but it wasn’t exactly advertised or promoted, either.



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Good evening Helmut and all, I have three of the very old and overly manufactured 4 wheel diesels in HO, their quality depended on who manufactured it.  This was a hood unit with end cab and most times had one traction tire on a wheel.  I have without too much trouble placed a Del-Tang unit, 2 LiPo batteries, an on/off switch and small, 3.5 mm charging port in these.   I use these for local mill and yard switching on my On30 railroad.  If memory is correct I probably removed the weight from it to gain space.  I do think I spend more time on being creative as to where I hide the switch and charging port.  Of all of the Bachman offerings the On30 4-4-0 and 2-6-0 locos thrive on battery r/c. Well, that is what I think, living the dream in the land of pleasant living on the Eastern shore of Maryland,Steve

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Wow, this got something started!
Here's an oldie from the Saturday Night Live TV show (US) back in the 70's...the words of Yor-Medieval Barber/Surgeon..." Someday, doctors will have proper surgical implements, there will be anesthetics to relieve suffering, there will be...NAAAW!"
Someday, every model railroader will be using radio control, nobody will be cleaning wheels & track, modeling will be...NAAW!
I guess that I will go back out in the garage and work on my new layout (more in a future thread) or maybe run a train with my old-fashioned 27 Megs AM analog BS system. Golly, after about 20 years, it STILL WORKS!
Dead? Definition of the word is "expired, departed, gone...not alive." Dead Rail? Come on, really?
I leave ya'll tonight with these thoughts offered for your perusal.

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" Dead? Definition of the word is "expired, departed, gone...not alive." Dead Rail? Come on, really? "


Howdy Woodie :cb:



Maybe it's just sleeping ? ?





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" 27 Megs AM analog BS system. Golly, after about 20 years, it STILL WORKS! "



I wanted to have a go at 27 MHz A.M. as well.

Only problem for me was, no matter how much I looked ( & I did look ! ) ...

... I just couldn't find the parts for sale as economically as the 'FlySky' stuff.



Price & easy availability made the choice for me ... Not BS.

If you've got it, and it works, and why shouldn't it ? ... Use it !



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The success or failure of battery powered/ remote control trains depends on two things:

1) If a system is easy to maintain and install and still provide necessary functions, it will be popular.  It doesn't have to be cheap, but it does have to be affordable.

2) Just how small can we make a battery?  That question hasn't been answered yet, and won't be for many years.  The smaller the battery, the more usable that battery is to model railroad enthusiasts.

We have an easy to use system, Deltang, but we need a better battery.  Deadrail is popular in large scale and has been for some time.  The same thing will happen in smaller scales when the battery problem has been solved.

Tam Valley failed because the demand just isn't there yet. R/C control in HO scale and smaller is still experimental.

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Hi James and all, I am not sure if I agree or disagree with what you have said, though what was said has merit.  I have 38 locos of various types and the batteries have not been the issue, nor the space.  With that said I have put them in kit bashed HO to On30 locos and straight on On30 locos.  I still think that the problem for this type of loco control was more the fear mongers and naysayers, who instilled fear of exploding batteries.  I also think it is easier to say why something doesn't work, then to try and make it work, then add on the complexities of making it do more then it was designed for.  My approach to model railroading was to first have fun, then closely followed by entertaining the creative side of my modeling, and then to keep it simple.  I did have DCC at one time but when I was introduced to battery r/c, it was a game changer.  My On30 railroad fills 95% of a 1200 square foot basement, I have two operating groups that come here every month for a day long ops session, and I have had only one guy complain about the battery system.. He did leave but I think he had his on agenda and used the battery as an issue.  I also think the best thing we can do is to promote this, explaining all of the advantages, why you can do a loco at a time an not interfere with your existing system, and take every opportunity to show the uneducated masses.  I did, I have written and had published two articles in Narrow Gauge Downunder and have been to many shows and mini meets showing what we are doing.Well, that's my opinion and I wish you and everyone else a great day and happy modeling.Steve  

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I don't disagree with what you've said Steve,. We don't have opposing theories, we have explained two sides of the same coin.

Some people are afraid and some people just find the battery power impractical.  Drop-in systems would solve the issue, but we need smaller batteries first.  Education certainly helps though, it increases demand for technology to improve.

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