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 Posted: Mon Oct 8th, 2018 07:41 am
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Attached is a photo of the Chehalis Western FM H12-44 #493 on the RIP track at Weyerhaeuser's Vail, WA camp along with the C.W. half caboose #811 and another caboose which looks like it could be Weyerhaeuser's half caboose #800. 

I found another side shot of the WTC half caboose #800 which I will upload later.

The #493 is sitting on timbers and was being stripped of parts to keep the #492 in service.


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 Posted: Mon Oct 8th, 2018 08:02 am
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Attached is a photo of the Chehalis Western South Bay Dump located near Olympia, WA with the #492 with a cut of skeleton log cars. 

The log unloader is similiar to the Link Belt unit at the C.W.'s Pe Ell, WA balloon loop.  
To the left there was once another track in which the steam unloader operated back and forth unloading the skeleton log cars. 
Somewhere I have a photo of it and will share it when I run across it. 
I don't remember the year when they replaced the steam unloader with the modern Link Belt unloader. 
I haven't been back there in years but I imagine that this is all gone now.  

The day I rode the C.W. from Pe Ell to the South Bay dump we were hauling 65 loaded skeleton cars. 
I noticed a lot of logs on the ground that had fallen off during the trip to the dump. 
The C.W. used their log loader along with a skeleton car and usually the half caboose towed by one of the FM H12-44's to run along the route picking up loose logs sitting on the ground. 
I don't know how many times that they made this special run as I only saw this short train maybe only two times over the period of five years or so. 

I only spotted the half caboose once at Pe Ell so they parked it somewhere else maybe on the small reload located below the freeway at Chehalis or perhaps at Vale.  

If I had a large area for a layout I would love to model this railroad in HO but since I don't I dabble in N scale and am starting a small shelf logging operation in On30 using small locos and 20' cars.

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 Posted: Mon Oct 8th, 2018 11:36 am
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Hi Jack

Great atmospheric photos and story. 
Makes me envious of your experiences riding log trains. 
Only managed that once from Shelton to Cooks wye on Simpson in 1989.

Attached are a couple of views of the older South Bay dumper which I had from John Henderson. 
The first shows it doing what it was built for. 
I am wondering if the heavy timbers in the right foreground were for the later Link Belt crane.

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 Posted: Mon Oct 8th, 2018 11:37 am
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This is another from the other end and shows the unloading mechanism
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 Posted: Wed Oct 10th, 2018 08:42 pm
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    Thanks for posting the two photos of the South Bay steam unloader as I can't find my photos of it. I think that my photos are the same as you posted.  I tried to post a photo of something else last night but I kept getting errors so after a few tries I gave up. Hopefully this post will go through.

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 Posted: Thu Oct 11th, 2018 12:15 pm
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Hi Jack 
I think this was the diesel rebuild of the steam unloader. 
Weyerhaeuser did a similar job on their unloader at Longview. Attached is a photo I got from the company newspaper for November 1954. This seems about the same time as they rebuilt the South Bay unloader. Perhaps a project for that year along with the  new diesels at Longview.
Would love to make a model of this or the unloader at Shelton which was similar
Alan 

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 Posted: Thu Oct 11th, 2018 08:59 pm
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Alan:
  Somewhere on, I believe, YouTube is a video showing one of these steam unloaders unloading a string of log cars at a log dump. I don't remember if it was Weyerhaeuser or somewhere else.   I will look to see if I downloaded the video and share the link.
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 Posted: Fri Oct 12th, 2018 02:43 am
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  Here are two links to operating steam jammers used to unload logs at the dump. The first video in an operating one on an O scale logging operation. I grabbed a photo from the video and studied it and I don't think that it will be that hard to scratch build. It is either this or perhaps build a simple Jill Poke to unload logs at an On30 dump.  The scenic video was taken back around 1929 or so on the Schafer Bros. Logging Co. This steam jammer in operation appears just over the 10 minute mark in the video. The video has no sound as this was taken back in the old days.
  Here are the two links:

   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIXdswuJ5Ac&t=84s
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C95EFowJUXg&t=6s

  Enjoy!

  Jack M.

     

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 Posted: Fri Oct 12th, 2018 03:46 pm
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Alan:

The unloader with the BTS kit uses the old parbuckle method.  I think some operations here in the PNW used that method, but earlier shows tended to use a jill poke, later moving to a grapple.  

I haven't figured out what I will do about all that.   But getting into all the research and planning (not to mention construction) of a scratchbuilt solution is not in keeping with the goals of this layout.

In fact, the mill itself is pushing the envelope pretty hard.  In theory, I should be using the Walthers, or similar sawmill.  

But I have always liked that Slaty Fork mill.

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 Posted: Fri Oct 12th, 2018 06:00 pm
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Hi Reg
A lot of what  I have seen and what John told me was about "tight line" unloading using a gin pole or A-frame with the cables passing under the load and attached to the brow log. That looks pretty much what the BTS kit represents. I was not thinking you would need to change anything except the siding on the un-loader to make it look less like a Barnhart. But I guess nobody else but me would worry about that sort of detail.
I am looking forward to seeing how the mill progresses
Have a good weekend
Alan 

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