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 Posted: Mon Nov 27th, 2017 06:14 pm
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Alan Sewell
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When I joined I posted a few thoughts on my modelling. As that seemed to be of interest I decided to open a new topic where I could share progress or otherwise on my HO scale freelance Andrews forest company rail roads. In case you Ask Andrew is my son, Jennis is from one daughter Jenny and Caroline Meadows Camp for my other daughter
 
Back in 1979 I discovered US modelling and LOGGING railroads. Now here was my sort railroad, with all the right atmosphere interesting equipment and operations. What was more models were available which were appropriate for these railroads, everything didn't need scratch building or kit bashing, and the models ran better than anything I was used to. I had seen the light!
 
By 2011 I had  finally decided on a geographic location for the layout. Having wandered around the state of Washington the layout is now fixed on the north bank of the Columbia a little downstream from Longview. I was drawn to setting my railroad in this area for a number of reasons. Weyerhaeuser and Long Bell built large sawmills and pulp/paper plants here. The Longview Portland and Northern provided switching not only for Long Bell but other industries and there was a connection to the UP/NP/GN & MILW on what is now the “I-5” corridor from Seattle to Portland. I could if I wanted have power from a number of roads working the interchange traffic. My favorite operation for a number of reasons is  Simpson Lumber out of Shelton but I wanted a company owned shortline like the Columbia and Cowlitz and as I said a connection to the Seattle Portland corridor.  The track plan of  the mill area is however based loosely on the yards used by the Simpson Timber Company at Shelton, but VERY much compressed. I have a plan of these yards as they were in the 1950's and in the early 1980's and even compressed this would require a space 30'x 20'! The company “captive shortline” the Hartford & Cowlitz runs from the mythical town of Jennis upstream to Longview. From Jennis the Andrews company logging railroad heads north into the hills arriving at headquarters camp ( Caroline Meadows /Camp 16 ). Again track is down but no scenery as yet
 
Jennis has a sawmill and a pulp mill so traffic is inbound logs/woodchips and chemicals and outbound lumber, plywood and pulp or fibre board. I will post a sketch plan of this later.
I like the diesel locos used on logging railroads and I did not want to model the complications of an actual logging "side" or "landing". Therefore the decision to model the post war period, a decision helped by the photographs and other material I had collected dating from the 1950’s to  now.  The lumber company motive power included both rod and geared logging lokeys  but most I have in reserve or stored awaiting scrapping. I now use  EMD/Alco switchers with one or two steam relegated to an un-modelled branch above camp 16 or occasional work train.  Rolling stock is predominately 40 foot connected log cars (aka skeleton cars ) run in sets of 5-6. In addition there are tank cars, moving cars  ballast hoppers, a number of cabooses and crew and supply cars along with the ubiquitous speeders. The shortline uses a FM 10-44 switcher and has its own caboose. 40- and 50- foot cars are used in interchange service with local roads predominating
 
Operations comprise switching empty and loaded cars around the mill. Three runs per day to the Longview Junction by the shortline loco, which also makes up the outbound train and switches loads from the pulp mill. Two or three locos can be used between the dump and the woods including switching at the Headquarters. Dumping logs at the mill is handled either by the mill switcher or the woods locos dependant on traffic requirements. As I said earlier around 1960 is the time frame of current operations. I am planning for other time frames and have developed a “company history” of its rail operations to inform this, based on events from Simpson/Weyerhaeuser and to a lesser extent Rayonier. If anyone is interested I can post  a copy
 
I was requested to post some more photos  so here are some recent ones. I apologise for the lack of backdrop  but I need to get some photos I took around Longview in 2015 printed and I do take time to do things. It’s more fun sometimes playing with the trains!!!!
 
Alan

 
#1002 switching loaded cars after arrival from the woods with mill switcher #111 waiting for next move

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Great work. Makes me miss the logging railroads in the area, as I live among all the lines you used for inspiration for your layout...



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Great contribution, Alan.  Welcome to Freerails.
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Hi Alan :wave:



GREAT to see you got a Thread for your operation ! :)



I could EASILY get into mooodern HO logging ( don't tempt me though ! ) L:

Even have some HO diesels & log-cars. :shocked:



Looks like you got a good space to build in Alan & have been busy ! :thumb:

Keep the pix. & stories coming.



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Thanks for the favourable comments so far.
As I said I am posting additional photo. This shows the mill switcher moving the cut up to the unloader. This is a Clyde Loggers special I had commissioned. I am building (or attempting to) a model of the steam unloader used at Shelton. However the crane or one like it was I think used at Shelton.
I will probably post the track plan next
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As I said I am attaching a sketch plan of the Mill at "Jennis". This covers an area of around 13x11 feet. I may add a spur into a plywood mill near the dry shed and also lengthen the chem ( chemical ) spur for the pulp mill sometime during 2018. But only when I have done more of the scenery
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Alan

Just as a note of interest, re your chemical track. The type of pulp mill would determine what chemical's would be delivered.

A Sulphite mill would use Liquid Sulpher, Limestone & Chlorine.

A Sulphate mill would use Potash, Limestone & Chlorine.

I spent 3 years working in a Pulp Mill on the North Coast of British Columbia, but that was a long while back (1967-1969)

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Alan Sewell wrote: ... and I do take time to do things. It’s more fun sometimes playing with the trains!!!!My understanding is that's what they are there for although they sometimes can be a bit of a distraction. :)



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You could always model a through track as the Shelton facility was serviced by what was the Northern Pacific, now the Puget Sound & Pacific. Through trains go by there every now and then with 'special' trains holding rocket motors, fuel rods and re-entry vehicles (in other words, nuclear weapons) from the nuclear submarine base at Bangor, WA, north of Shelton. I think there are more actively deployed nuclear weapons just north of there than any other place in the US.
It made for an interesting contrast with what normally went on there on the railroad.
There were also passenger trains that came in and out of there in the past:



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Lee:
Quite a bit of other traffic goes through Shelton on the PS&P.  In addition to the lumber that goes out of the mill on the Shelton water front, there is the garbage train.
There also used to be rail service to some of the industries north of town, in the Johns Prairie area, served off the marshaling yard east of Johns Prairie.  I don't know if any of those industries are currently using rail service. 
The garbage train is a unit train of containers that transport trash from a transfer site near Belfair to Arlington, Oregon.  Containers full of trash come to Belfair by truck from all over the West Sound area.  
There are also other industries between Shelton and Bangor served by the railroad, including the Bremerton Naval Shipyard, which receives a lot of different kinds of materials and supplies by rail.  
If memory serves, there is a propane dealer in the Silverdale area that receives gas by rail.  I know there is one near Kamilche that does, but that is west of Shelton.  
The PS&P has a history of encouraging businesses that require rail service to locate along their routes.  
The railroad also seems to use some sidings in Shelton to park locomotives.  I frequently see more power parked in Shelton than I do in Elma, the nominal headquarters for the PS&P.  There are almost always four axle units parked in Shelton.  I rarely see four axle units in Elma.  Almost all the power I see west of Shelton is six axle.  
The combination of the Simpson line and the PS&P would make a great layout.  I contemplated it, but I don't really have the space.
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