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 Posted: Sat Jan 27th, 2018 12:44 pm
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Hi Helmut :brill:



I'm not sure why, I'm gonna ask my analyst next session though ...

... the vintage Mr. Smash instant mashed potatoes robot came to mind.


Just goes to prove MY theory, that Freud was WRONG yet again !





Freeze dried instant mashed potato tastes awful ...

... but I suppose, at least technically speaking, it does work.



Your instant cement track bed idea, sadly won't work. :f:

Last time I looked at anyone using cement ...

... they had mixers, steel-rods, shuttering, foundations etc. etc.



Perhaps someone at NASA has invented the freeze dried instant cement outer-space building ...

... at least in 3D real-time multi-vector supercomputer-animation ...

... but would it ACTUALLY work in real reality, on Mars or in a Californian backyard ?



:us:



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Helmut,

Here are a few ideas to consider.

Try providing a raised roadbed.  It doesn't take much to derail a HO train.  Just a leaf or two on the track can be a problem.  I have my layout on a raised platform along the lines of Woodie's Mogollon Railway.

You could form up a raised roadbed using that bender board edging material that is used for walkways (Home Depot has it...covered in green plastic, about 4" high).  Mix up some concrete, pour it in and level it off.

You could use Liquid Nails to glue the track down to the roadbed.  After it has set you might use some mortar (the stuff used for tiles) and fine sand as ballast.  I use mortar to make my scenery and cover it with sand and dirt.  I've also buried some track in mortar (after the mortar dries that track isn't going anywhere!).

Spray the track with some rattle-can spray paint to get rid of those black ties.  I hit my track (and just about everything else) with a UV protective spray so the sun doesn't tear it up.  I remember reading some time ago that one of the G scale manufacturers didn't get their UV formula quite right, and after a few years the plastic ties started to disintegrate.

Building outside requires some trial and error.  You just got to find out what works best for you.



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I had looked at a similar set up.  Still want to try it, but only after I own my own property instead of renting, landlords and garden railroads don't mix well.

As stated, get the biggest, most sturdy track you can.  PECO or Atlas code 100 track would work great. 

Second, study what the Brits do using OO garden railroads.  An elevated, level track platform that can drain water and be easy to clean is the ideal set up.

Third, go with remote control.  I've looked at ways to run electricity to track outdoors.  None are all that reliable.  Heck, even many large scale modelers go with remote control.  You would save a lot of money going this route outdoors.  You still have to clean track to get rid of treesap, bird droppings and other debris, but you wouldn't have to worry about the track being electrically sound and it let's you do #4:

Fourth, paint the track with a UV resistant layer.  I think some types of PECO track are already UV resistant, but the sun in the UK is nothing like the sun in California.  This is something you'll have to do probably every year to keep the ties from breaking down in 100+ degree sun.

Another tip,  secure the track, but don't make the track ridged.  If you have a few hundred feet of track, there's going to be some expansion.  Even if it's only a fraction of an inch, it would be enough to pop ties.  If the track is on it's own platform, it will probably stay there just fine with a small nail every few feet.

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Si,
Thx for the thread combining.

Guys,
I am using Atlas and Peco code 100 HO. I just got some Peco code 100 HO switches (Streamline)and i REALLY like their appearance compared to the Atlas, plus the ties are brown. I have also seen quite a few references to Peco outdoors and it seems to hold up (Atlas staight up states their plastic ties are UV resistant). I have also made a request of Peco as to their plastic ties UV resistance.

I do intend to have a (slightly) raised roadbed. I did think of bender board underneath, but that seems pretty labor intensive and a bit more work than I may want to put in. We shall see, I will explore some alternatives.

I had an idea last night that I might be able to pull off. There is a possibility to install permanent shade sails over the potential layout area. This would mitigate a lot of direct sun. I am not sure how those negotiations will go though, if you know what I mean.

I am again thinking about outdoors because I would like to have some reason to get the kids outside and I have far more room than I do inside. Not sure I will end up outside with On30, but I think I could have something far more realistic in the space available than G and On30 is quite a lot cheaper. My problem is I like both scales, but cannot afford both!

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Helmut,

I didn't know that Atlas HO track was UV resistant.  Thanks for the info.

You might consider building an outdoor layout in sections kind of like what Woodie did with his 35n2 Mogollon Railway.  I'm doing something similar with wood for framework, and using 3/4" PVC for legs.  I'm modeling in 35n2 (something I blame Woodie and Si for) and BPRC.  The equipment is larger and better able to deal with the wayward leaf or twig on the tracks.



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Michael,
Yes, Atlas states their track is UV resistant, at least the HO and O stuff. I have emails from Jerry Kimble at Atlas.

I will post here if I hear back from Peco on that as well.

yes, I will definitely be doing BPRC like I did for my LGB Porter for Christmas. I will do it for On30 stuff as well, I like the system I have come up with.

I was not able to work on this today, I ended up building up some points by doing some things for my wife to set up her craft room. :2t:



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" I ended up building up some points by doing some things for my wife to set up her craft room."



Hi Helmut :wave:



Don't forget to remind her she'll need :-

... an electronics & soldering bench, drill-press & spray-booth in there. :P



Anyway, it's back to basics here ...





... the store had run out of the instant-mash & my vintage robot has rusted up ...

... so I'm back to the old manual peeling I'm afraid. :f:



:moose:



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Well Si, I am not so sure about all that other stuff. The soldering and electronics area is on my workbench in the garage (although it does get a bit chilly at night in the winter, and oppressively hot in the daytime in the summer). She already does paint spraying outside or in the garage, so a proper spray booth may be coming along soonish). I will be able to use her cutting machine for cardstock and styrene though!



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