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Have found another sideline hobby that mixes well with model trains, model ships, hasn't being many topics on model ships, I had to start off with a big scale, 87th scale which is hard to find the ship you want to model, built it a big challenge witch I love.

The class ship I am modelling is MSG 113 Ro, Ro vessel, has four decks with rear cargo doors, also Finn Lines has the same ship, called the Breeze class  with a few different changes, I plan to built two models first one a water line model and second a radio controlled model, was lucky to get hold of the ships plans , still wait for more plans to arrive.

The first post will have pics of the real ship, and why I switched the layout around so the bridge can be out at the front of the pergola, a pic of the bridge I be modelling and a scene  pic what got me hooked to build the model ship.















' This pic is the only pic I have of the front of the pergola where the front corner steel post showing, resizing program is on my lap top, on the deck top  which has a much larger HD to the lap top, will put the program on the deck top not in a hurry.
Next pic is why I switched the layout around putting the bridge at the front being heaps better for the Ship scene, my bridge be different to the bridge in the pic.




Last pic is what my bridge be based on single cable say bridge, yet another challenge to build, my bridge will have double track and a 14ft main span.
Stay tuned posting more pics on the model build next post today, can't do much else as it is poring rain here, well needed rain.
Tony from wet down under.

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Ships and railways do go together well. Years ago, I built a 1:48 stern-wheeler similar to those that plied the Red River along the Texas/Oklahoma border. The Texas Star now resides with the Texas Outlaws On30 group and gets to go to more conventions than I have ever been to! I wish I had a photo of her but the nasty old pornobucket scam is holding my pix hostage.
My model was 24" (96 O scale feet) long and had 2 decks. I sure do miss her.

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Hi Woodie, Is that like Photo-Bucket, I lost photos as well, I did away with a while back, didn't need a piggy back to  post pics now thanks to Si.

Would love to of seen a pic your steam wheeler, we have a couple that have dining tours up and down the Brisbane river.
here are to the pics of the Bow section of my ship, have to build her in four sections, length is 2.160 metres long. 

I did start work on drawing the stern made a mistake forgetting the  framework on each deck made a difference in the height.

The first pic is the side flat end line the start of the Bow shape.



Pic two is the main deck the trucks are sitting on, only a temporary deck till I draw and cut the main deck



Next pic  of the keel, the piece of 18mm square dowel will run the full length of the ship,be two square keel dowels .




This should  of being first, put some plus the line draw is the side flat end line before the curve of the bulk Head and also the bulk head is where the super structure and bridge sits on.
The raised deck is where the winches are on and the knuckle line and weather cover, will leave the cover off til I decide if I will put them in, also open windows as well, if you go back to the first two posts, the first two pics show the windows and the cover Bow.Last









Last pic showing the reinforcing of the under the raised deck and Bow keel, is going to be along build, Bow section the hardest be a lot easier the next three sections.
Tony from still wet down under, wet week end.



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Thanks Woodie,for deleting the double post, I have progressed some more on the ship build , gluing the bottom onto the keel and have cut and glued one of the bow bulk heads and cut out a template for the Bow side, wasn't easy. 

The reason for the template, if you go back to the two pics of the ship there is a weather cover over the raised deck , the front of the bow will go up another 16 mm's and the the same for the cover.,I will have to shape the sides of the bow in strips,be two mm thick and the first piece has  6 mm over hang to glue a strip for the next piece to go in.

That bridge will be the one I will model, found some more pics of it even under construction and only has single cable stays in the center of the bridge, will use either 9 or 13 mm dowel, yet more planning ahead.

Cool change tomorrow 31 degrees, I have to redo the track and point on the approach module, pics to follow on my layout, was a stinker of day today still 31 degrees 6 pm at night.

I won't be rushing the build do  bit ever couple of days.
Tony from down under

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Have you have a big enough ute to haul your model around.
For your RC version, look at getting a hold of a wind shield wiper motor. The freighter I have use's one, the model RCN cruiser my friend built use's 4, I salvaged from a local
pickers, here in Calgary for him.

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Afternoon Ken, With the bridge super structure taken off and the funnel off the hull should fit inside the car with the back seat folding down,

I will need two of those wind screen wiper motors, will have find out what size motors for the two thrusts at the bow, like to have them powered as well, big question is where to get hold of scale props be hard in 87 scale, closed scale is either 72nd or 100th scales

Now the bow template has worked out well , the fun Belgians in working out the knuckle line and bow weather cover, the hardest is the angle bit be a challenge, as you see in the pic, I want to make the weather cove be able to lift off to get to the LED lights and winches.
those storage boxes I got my trains in, I have bought other cardboard boxes that fit inside them mainly for the large boxes wither I have a full train in them making it easier to get the carriages or wagons out.
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Coming along nicely with the Bow build, long way to go and now the hardest challenge cutting the sides of the bow and cutting the windows out, won't be getting back to the ship building till next week, going on a weeks holiday tomorrow.
I will be taking the plans down and doing some drawing at night, as usual, showers predicted till Wednesday next week, fingers crossed not raining.



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Oops I did it again didn't think the first one went, here is another pic 
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Hope everyone had a great Easter, I have made some more progress on my ship build started on the hardest part of the Bow side closing in the raised deck, not an easy task, have to deal with the steep angle and the curve of the weather shelter cover. GladIam building the first model out of cardboard sheeting can afford to waste a bit, even though I am working from the ships plan still hard to work out how everything fits , like challengers.

Have also decided on the bridge build, modeled on a single stay bridge, but mine be a double deck bridge, based on a bridge in England Mersley river  Gateway bridge in wales I think, you might know Si???.

Weather isn't much good today left over from that syclone, hope to cut the rest of the tower out of 12 mm ply 3 inches square, do the cutting between rain showers, I think I will put the bridge in with the ship since the ship be part of the scene.
Going to take a while to build the ship, once I get past the Bow section the rest of the ship is quite easy to build , straight  hull sides even the stern is a square shape,not rounded.
Tony from wet down under.

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Pic two a different angle, as usual the digital makes the the pic look worse than what it is, where the windows are marked out I had to make up framing for the weather cover and the shape of the raised side, the fame is a bit high and will have to shave it back, taking off a mill.

Also with the side piece will have to remeasure and cut because the steep shape on a curve is making the length shorter, once sorted out the other side be a lot quicker to mark and cut out, the sides be 2 mm's thick, will, fill in the gaps with plaster and hopefully don't see them.
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" Have also decided on the bridge build, modeled on a single stay bridge, but mine be a double deck bridge,
Based on a bridge in England Mersey river, Gateway bridge in Wales I think.
You might know Si."



Hi Tony :wave:



Your BIG boat is looking pretty  C :cool: :cool: L  !

Keep up the great work !!



I checked Wikipedia ... They used 78,000,000,000 tubes of Super-Glue ! :shocked:


;)















:thumb:



Single Stay Si.  :)


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Afternoon Si, many thanks for those pics I saved them, yeah single cable and two towers not 4, I cut the ly for the first tower, sic pieces and 1 mm card to make up 3 inches square.
I wont be having hat many cables 5 at the most on each side, saw a bridge that was a cable stay only had three cables when we were holidaying down the Gold Coast, glad we are home now, feel  hotting up down there, tomorrow big night opening ceremony Commonwealth Games.


I didn't get a chance hit post reply by mistake, a lot of work on the tower base where the track deck is, one of the front ply pieces I be cuttin back to 24 mm's and the other two back to 128mm's. For the centre beam to fit in, going to have every foot a support all the way down the on each half so can see the trains on the outer track.
gardening tomorrow will see if I can do some cutting on the towers as well, make the most of the nice weather, still warm in the sun though .

The cable stasy be fun, will have to figure out in making a jig for the drill to drill the right angle on all holes.

Tony from down under

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Hi Tony :wave:



I think the French have a pretty nice one as well ! :shocked:




















The climate is usually quite mild down in the South Of France for much of the year ...

... so you don't always need shorts & a shirt when jumping off it !



:Crazy:



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Morning Si :wave:, thanks again for those awesome pics of that French single cable stay viaduct bridge, those towers are 102 metres, in Ho scale 1.160 meters high close to mine only difference a double deck bridge .

Going to ask my wife is I can buy a couple lengths of 9mm dowel 2.4 metres in length,so I can work out how many lengths to buy, be back on the bridge construction on Saturday working out the center beam that where the dowel  fits into. First dowel be the hardest o work out cut and fit making sure the tower is  square will be doing that on the ground with, can you draw a pencil line square with a level.
Is it warming up in the UK now.

Tony from cloudy down under 

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I have a feeling phase 3 of this project will be to put a pond in place so you can operate your RC RORO under the bridge:glad:

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Hi Ken, how is the weather going in double digits now, we are still in the high 20's, cool morning, won't be able to sit outside soon for the morning coffee.
Ha, Ha :P:bg: , that could of being possible before Easter, we had a bad storm 90mm's in under half an hour, where the bridge  is going had 2 inches of water flowing in from the back yard, that would be a big job modelling a  river with flowing water, be nice.

I plan to using that blue tarp for water and looking into modeling the wash make by the ship, talking about the ship, I have made a mistake on the upper deck is not working out so I will have to cut from the main deck off and start again. Was checking the calculations and they were wrong, and checking the pics of the bow just wasn't right, a slight set back should get back to where I was on the bow construction, done differently. 

THis time I will have more bulkheads  on the bow section, that will keep the raided deck level and the front of the bow fixed as well.

Over the weekend I be working on the bridge tower and setting it up on the floor to work the lengths of the dowel, with the bridge I can leave the main piers to  after the four bridge sections is finished, trains running end of June.

Second last post from Si, I will model that last pic with the bloke ski diving off the French bridge:bg:

Tony from sunny down under

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Getting lot's of double digit weather here with a minus sign if front, not hit double digit's on the plus side for a month or two, more "SNOW" expected tonight and tomorrow :bang::bang::bang:

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Hi Ken, I thought it be warming up now over there, second month of spring, do you have a hot summer or mild one.

I found a big mistake int he first bulk head,, main deck and the raised deck wasn't working out probably because of that, so I decided to cut above the main deck and stat on cutting the framing between the main deck and water line base, what I should of done.

Glad I found out now instead of later, the pics of the two trailers is in the 3rd post second pic.

Going back a few post to the pics of the two trailers on the main deck found out there is three trailers way out looking at the first frame I glued on the right size with a bit of modifying worked out.

There is another frame in front of the first one, the main deck floor will go right to the front of the bow .

The new channels beside the keel is for two 18 mm  square dowel  pieces will strengthen up the hull.



The second pic a full scale drawing of the cable stay double deck bridge , the green bin was used to shade the drawing, now I now with length to cut the 9 mm round dowels and hopefully two 2.4 meter lengths to the 5 lengths $5 a length.




Will start cutting the beams for the bridge tomorrow, 2 12 mm by one and half inch beams with supports so can see a train on the outer track,going to be stunning once finished, ribbon cutting ceremony for when the first train crosses the bridge.

Will make the most of the nice sunny weather , no rain.

Tony from down under 



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" Second last post from Si,
I will model that last pic with the bloke ski diving off the French bridge :bg: "



Hi Tony :wave:



The bloke wearing the 'socks & sneakers' is an unusual subject for sure ! ;)

I hope he put the right backpack on & not the one with his sandwiches in ?

When you pull the rip-cord ...

...You really don't want a load of pepperoni & bread-crumbs flying out the back !! :shocked: :w: :f:



The bridge size looks pretty darn impressive laid out on the ground like that. :thumb:

The paving gives a nice idea of scale ... BIG ! !



Try fitting one of those in a 'Walthers' cardboard-box ! :P



:moose:



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First really decent weekend of Spring here.

A bit showery still now & then, but some woodwork outside could be a possibility soon  .  .  .

:)


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Early morning Si, yeah I will do something different , ha, ha , my bridge wont be that high  for a parachute jump, maybe hang gliding.:cool:.

I measured the cable lengths this morning, will need to buy 4, 2.4 meter lengths to start off with, a couple I can get two out of a 2.4 m length and a couple I can get two lengths as well but one length be for the second tower, the smallest length I will join together for the other tower that is supported with a pier saving on wastage.

Good you are getting warmer over there Si get some work done outside, the sun is out now her wasn't earlier raining,will wait for it dry out before I get the ply off cuts I want to cut back to the width of the module sides and left over for the bridge centre .

I forgot to add a third pic of the frame work to hold up the road deck, rearly for show, no weight as the real bridge would be taking every day and night, again I have worked it out where there isn't too much wastage cutting cut the ply , could cut it in one full length, too much work.

Looking at the pic, I have drawn the frame work up as an A shape, cut the shape and join them up glued and screwed. 

Plan to buy the dowel lengths this week before the drawing start to fade.

Tony from downunder 

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Hi Tony :wave:



Just looked at your drawing again ...

... & spotted something I missed at first.



The cables (dowels) on those bridges, are further apart from each other, on the 'deck' than up the 'tower'.

They 'splay-out' & the angle of each cable connected to the 'deck' in sequence, gets shallower.

Yours are all drawn 'straight' as far as I can tell.



I think you should re-plan these cable (dowel) angles, to look as the 1:1 bridges do.

Have another look at some of the photos.



The French bridge looks a bit more extreme in this regard, than the Mersey one.

But still, I think that getting the angles of the cables (dowels) to look right, is the characteristic of the real prototype.



Might be worth experimenting a bit, to find the right 'look'.



L:



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Early morning Si, :wave:, yeah I know what you are a talking about, had a look at a couple of pics of the Mersley bridge and the cable stays are closer together on the tower, I changed the drawing, looks a lot better, that means the cables are longer . I will join a couple of the shorted ones, worked out how to do it and to also to make it look good will put joiner tubing on all the cables to make them match, many thanks, still need four 2.4 meter lengths.

Like in the pic, I may add a sixth cable will see how the bridge will stand, you are right has to look right.

Wife is house cleaning today, don't think I will do any cutting today, get the off cuts measured ready  for tomorrow.

The good thing is with the bride design I be able to nail down the track and solder in the bus wires and not upset the cables being in the middle of the bridge,  9.5 mm do the job, sure be a stunning site, what colour to paint the bridge.

Another good thing to is I be able to run trains while adding the road deck and side frame working as I move along, might look a bit funny at fist with the big centre beam and dowels supporting the beam, rail deck is 9 inches wide and road deck nearly 2 feet wide.

Tony from cloudy down under, waiting to take a pic of the latest drawing when the shade goes over in under the pergola.



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Hi Si, I went outside and redrew the cable stay closer together , as you say got to look right, now it does.

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Back into the ship I have finely completed the frame work between the main deck and waterline base, next step is the mark and cut out he main deck floor, she is back on track.

The main deck floors is 2 mm thick, got plenty of 1 mm cardboard, then I will finish marking and cutting the water line base, two more to cut out there.

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Hi Tony :wave:



I'm kinda still not convinced totally, that the angles on the new drawing are 'looking' quite it.

I can't quite see the drawing totally clearly though.

I'm sure there are many variations on the cable angles as well.

But ...

... on most I've looked at, they are very similar.



I don't know if I can explain what I mean without a drawing. ???

But ...

... at the tower, the 1st angle looks very like a 30deg/60deg geometry-square, standing upright.

... at the deck, the last angle looks very like a 30deg/60deg geometry-square, laying down.

Not exactly, but more or less so.


L:


Perhaps you need to ignore the double-decker spacing-pieces you have marked in already ...

... until you have marked in how many cables (dowels) you're having & their final angles.

Seems to me that the cable angles are more important for the 'look', than the double-deck spacer positions.


L:


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Hi Si, I had a look on Google Earth and measured one of the cable stay spans measuring in HO scale 3,3 metres that's if I measured right and  sadly on Wikipedia doesn't have measurements of the main span full length is 2.2 K's long 25 meters in HO scale.

The section I am have done the drawing on is 7 feet, and counted 24 cable stays on the real bridge , never fit that many in 7 feet, and very costly indeed as it is with five it is costing $20 AU x 4 ouch.

Today I cut with my battery saw sides for the last two corner modules and the centre beams for the bridge, going t a timber mob on Friday and buy an off cut 12 mm ply long enough for the rail deck so I can start work on building the bridge .

With speeding up the bridge construction, I will add in a third middle piel to get the trains up and running faster, finishing the cable stay bridge after the big event, will buy the full sheet of ply for the second last corner module and only one 6 foot gap to bridge completing all of the rail decking, hardest job in levelling and the grade  on the spiral and ramp.

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Sadly I wont be modeling Mersley cable stay bridge, it is to do with the approach each end of the bridge and just wont look right, I am going back to an old design I drew up a while back, modern concrete arch above the road deck, still double deck, a bit like the Sydney Harbour bridge.

It was raining most of the morning yesterday, so I started redrawing the new bridge and will use the arch as a paton for marking out the sections that will make up the arch, have made a start, every spare moment I will mark a piece of ply to cut , the arch be 24 mm thick and the dowel cable in between the two pieces.

This will work out better actually, I want to model para gliders getting ready to jump off the top of the arch, Noch have them and will have steps and platform at the top something different, possible Si's famous pic a bloke jumping of the French cable stay bridge.:):moose:

The first approach to the bridge, there be a tunnel on the curve and a hill looking into a castle for that scene, other end the track head off to the right and road straight ahead.

I bought that sheet of ply and have enough ply fro the bridge rail deck now, road deck come later , and also the top for the back door corner module.

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Here is a pic of another angle of the bridge arch, height 3 feet off the road deck.
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Bow keel is nearly finished, all that needing is two more waterline bottom sheets and glue the second mian deck sheet, moving into the bow bulkheads and raised deck, should of gone this way i the first place.

Top pic I cut off 3 inches of the first sheet so when the next section meets up an glued in place I can slide in a strip to strengthen the keel, will need to on top of the two 18 mm square dowels to sliding into the kee channels By the time I have finished the hull construction be some weight there on top of he trucks even though they don't weigh much.





Next pic the sides closed in between the main and water line bottom, still need to round the sides off, going  be tricky as even closing those sides in was hard, had t cut them into strips.

I won't close off the bow sides till I cut the the two bottom sheets, I reckon would of been hard to build the ship in one full hull, second build be easier 



The new bridge design is slow going, I will have to redraw the full size plan as  storm washed half off, being  concentrating on the layout, finishing building, painting and laying track and points down ready to solder the feeler wires to the track.

I hope to have at least the hull of the ship finished and some of the superstructure done when the layout is up and running, wow .L:

Tony from sunny down under, cooling down 16 degrees this morning.

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I redew the full scale drawing of Cam double deck bridge on the pavers in felt pen this time, will clean the drawing off once the bridges arch is built here is the new drawing mainly the arch.

There is a black mark on the edge of the concrete, will have to put some plus on the pic to see it, is where the top of the arch starts.

I found where I can but A/3 size tracing paper so I can track each section of the arch onto the ply board, be too hard to hold the ply in place when marking the arch, this be easier.




The next pic a cut out drawing the two decks and arch, will only be a four lane bridge, 




I have enough ply for the whole bridge, going to the timber mob on Tuesday on the way home from a hospital appointment to buy soe off cut ply thought the other piece of ply I had was 18 inches wide  not. One more  module to build and that's it for the layout completing all the modules and decking for the layout not fa away now once I get going on the spiral levelling 

ON a high, Tony from down under 

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Hi Tony :wave:



I shouldn't worry too much about not doing the cable-stay bridge. :us:

I think that whatever bridge you end up doing, is going to look TOTALLY AWESOME ! anyway. :bg:



This general 'arch' drawing of yours, looks pretty impressive ! :shocked:





The double-decking of the bridge in your drawing looks pretty  C :cool: :cool: L  as well.

What's the plan on the 2 decks ? ???

It looks like there is a 6-lane highway on top & a double-track railway underneath.





Just one comment ...

... From a realism point of view, I'm sure that's EXACTLY how a lot of road/rail bridges would be constructed ...

... BUT ... From a 'seeing the trains' point of view, that looks like it might be a bit of a problem ? :hyp:



It also looks like track cleaning might be more difficult as well.

Just wondering if 'trains on top' would work out better ? L:



The RO-RO is coming along nicely by the looks of things Tony ! :cool:



:moose: :moose: :moose: :moose: :moose:



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Hi Si:wave:, I will send you a PM with a cutout drawing pic of the the bridge I was going to build but used the design on the lower deck for the new bridge.
Most of the double deck bridged today are like mine rail on the bottom deck , looks good and the way I be building the framework can see the trains.
I have being busy working on my control panel, have to make a start on it, will take a while to build and do the wiring, good thing can be done t night in the hobby room.

Looking at my drawing that is the with of the track bed,I just drew the track plan the same as on my layout plan 3 and quarter inches in width, inch between the track sleepers.
Thanks, will get back to the ship construction possible tonight after watching a doco on Australian Coast by Neil Oliver he is British long black hair.

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I have made a start on the arch of my bridge yesterday afternoon, the arch is made up of seven pieces, and arch is 24 mm thick the only way I could save on not too much ply wastage.
The first pic I marked the piece of ply of the angle needed, I just used my battery saw,would of being too much mucking around using the circular saw jig  same with a drop saw.






Next above pic I will be taping the sections down to the floor and marking the first line of the arch.




Final pic I coded each piece so they go make in the same spot, the first arch always the hardest to do, three and a half arches to go, will need to buy the dowel as  well, the arch be in two half's will have to stand up in one piece, be hard to store as well, may be be able to go in the spare room, don't want the arch to warp in any way.
Hi Si:wave:, I found uploading the pics to my post in one after another has worked well, no problems 

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I can well imagine storing the bridge would be a problem as the sections come together, looking forward to your building progress on the bridge and ship. I've built a couple of model diaoramas which were a pain to work on and store, I was glad to deliver them to a coupe of Museum's.

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Hi Ken,

is it warming up and are you in double digits by now,
we had two degrees last night, warmer tonight 6 degrees but may drop down lower that 6.

I have made a start in marking out and cutting the shape of the arch sections that will make up the arch which will be 24mm thick, a second piece of ply will join the sections together, glued and screwed.

Second half be fun as it will hold the dowel, will mark the ply to the width of the dowel will have to be square then a smaller piece of ply will hold the dowel in place, be too hard to drill straight.





The next pic shows that I have coded each piece so they will go there where they should.





Si :wave:

I have finely mastered posting the pics onto my post at long last, too easy.
The mistake I was making I previewed each pic I posted why I was having trouble with the cursor.
When I uploaded the pic then found the cursor was already there to the right of the pic.

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In to the double digit's weather wise, much over the low twenties, I find it to Hot!, would much prefer your temp's.
However it makes for good "Negra Modelo" (Mexican)beer drinking weather.
Working on a model or two hopefully? for the NG meet DU next year. A false front building and a small diorama for the meet.

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Afternoon Ken, you would feel those warmer days, your 30 degrees be like our 40 degrees, being close to the Arctic cycle are your days a lot longer than ours, Alaska they have no nights, drive ya nuts .

Be looking forward to seeing some pics of your dioramas, the only diorama I be modelling is the Union Pacific  Kennefick park at Omaha, got a plastic model of the Big Boy 4023 and a powered Centennial DD40AX   to sit on a hill in under the pergola.

Over the weekend be setting up all the modules and decking for the layout, finished building the last module on Monday, be an awesome site indeed. 

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Hi Ken an update on  my model ships progress build, coming along nicely, here are the pics in question

First pic with one side of the bow to the front bow closed in , have started working closing in the side panel that the anchor recess is housed, need to buy the right size anchor to get the  recess the right size which its too wide on my model I think, in the second pic.




The anchor recess panel is no glued in place to I get it right so I then can make up the actual anchor housing.




Pic three showing the owners  model anchor recess, more of a square shape than a rectangle on my model.



Last pic the real ship showing no anchor as you said Ken u out of site, i want to get my model pretty well right build, want to show in a hobby show next year.




Be glad to finely get this section out the way, once the bow is all closed in will fill in all the join and shape the bow, hard to do with card.

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A photo of the anchors I have, measured in metric.





Note the size difference of the two right hand anchors, both labelled the same from "COREL" models in Italy.

Not a clue why one is 1/2 again as big as the other.

Cannot remember outfit who made the other two likely "Billing's"

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Evening Ken, looks like a match with the third anchor corel crla 18, here isa couple of pics of the anchors from the UK, I don't know what one to go for, which one fit my model.

first pic measurements Height 26 mm width 15 mm--16-80


Second pic Height 28 mm width 18mm


More ship progress, working on the knuckle between the weather shelter and raised deck, have cut the line out and now working on the side , not an easy task as the line goes down on angle and a curve.

I don't know if I have the anchor  recess right measurements are  24mm wide by 12 mm high, should be square, waiting on buying the anchors, which is the right anchor, keep asking the bloke my ship is HO scale.

Very cold here this morning, the wind keeping it cool, only 18 degrees in the sun.

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From the bow photo the anchor recess would be square, I would guess that there would be sufficient room to be able to hoist the anchor fully even if the flukes? jammed at an angle after being lowered.

A 28mm tall anchor would scale out to be 8 feet in HO, which seems reasonable in size. None of the maritime books
I have give much of a clue to size of an anchor.

With a servo to turn a shaft you could raise and lower the anchors, how often the anchors would be lowered is hard to say, either when at sea or tied to a wharf there would be no need to lower them.

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Early morning Ken, have you heard of Byers anchors looked the same as the model ones again didn't have any measurements,I know a cruise ship captain will ask him if he can get the measurements of his ships anchor, do that tomorrow he lives in New Zealand.

Dam cold we hit below zero this morning, -3 , be the same again tomorrow will get u earlier and check, want to see that minus on the weather station screen.

If you find anymore info let me know, many thanks, I will use the anchors for the remote control model when I build it after this build.
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OK it is a 660 mile drive to the coast, however within a mile of here there are a couple of ships anchors I could measure up :bang:,
drove by them a couple of days ago, did not think to take photos,
believe one is the style you would be looking at.

The one at the car wash is an older style.


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Took a drive to the Military Museum here in Calgary, and
taped the anchor.

I understand the anchor came from the HMCS Huron, a Tribal
class destroyer with a DWT of 5350 tons, the anchor could likely be larger for your model?.

The shank is 9 inches across by 10 inches thick with an overall length of 10 feet, 6 inches.

The flukes are 6 feet across, with a length of 5 feet.

Anchor chain links are 10 inches by 17 inches.

There is also on display the 5 blade Port Variable pitch Propeller from the HMCS Huron, diameter is 13 feet, 8 inches, again this would likely be larger for your model

Took a few photos, if interested I can post them later.

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Afternoon Ken:wave:, that be great need the height of the anchor and width, that happens, we went on our first holiday in 26 years to Caloundra, to the sun shine coast QLD is a top ship spotters photo spot, the main shipping lane comes in very close . Guess what I forgot my digital SLR camera has 1440 mm zoom lens, we are planning to go for anther holiday in Spring.

Most of the anchors I saw goes by pounds weight , had numbers but not measurements.
We had minus again this morning, so turned on the air-cons, had them on till we went to bed to warm the house .

Layout is sow going, westerly winds haven't hit and they are very cold,I stay indoors up set my asthma , legs and face suffer with TN.

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Hi Ken, many thanks for those anchor pics, wow it sure is huge, need a crane to shift it, would most size cargo type ships have that size anchor.

Did you measure the length of that anchor is all I  need then I can work out what size to buy got to get it right.

Be working on marking out the side of the ship between the knuckle line and raised deck, the hardest because of the shape will have windows as well, will start looking like the ships bow when that is finished.

Don't know if I get much of a chance to go outside to work on module bus wiring it is windy,want to get stuck into the bus wiring.

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Hi Ken, that anchor chain is huge, I decided to check out using the scale calculator feet to mm's you were spot on 8feet to HO scale is 28.3mm in length, the 01-06 pic be right, getting the right size height close enough to my ship.

It is 18 degrees in the  hobby  computer and TV room, warmer outside, after lunch will get stuck into the module bus wiring.

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On the web, the Tor Corana (now Corana Seaway) the DWT is
listed as 11,300 tons, loaded 26,300 tons. The anchor photos
I posted are for a vessel 1/5 the loaded tonnage. I would imagine the anchor would be larger then 10 feet in length.

As for the anchor chain, you would be looking at chain with
5 links per inch. The swivel might be a problem to fabricate. Although a jewelry shop may have suitable fitting's.

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Afternoon Ken, what it like where you are temp wise now, cooler .
My friend said that byres anchor is used on smaller vessels like tugs, he said a ship the size of Tor Corana is the same size of his cruise ship, he said to go for stockless type no.9 anchor, I found a link that has a list of all the anchors.

In that list what stockless anchor would suit my ship, pages are numbed.

http://wachain.com/wp-content/themes/wordpress-naked-pld/images/catalog.pdf

That link you found on Tor Corana, coul you send the link, I also stumbled onto a link about Tor Corana having a fire while in port on the main deck and showed plans of the side and main deck plan. Blew me away because the plans had the height measurements of each deck to the roof of the bridge, comp deck, now I was able to work out the height of the ship  to that deck, with the main mask be about 13 inches high  from water line.

Sadly I can't print that page is in GWD file format , has the length of the main stern ramps too, pure awesome, amazing what you find on the net.

I am working on the sides between the knuckle line and raised deck, will glue in place the knuckle line to make it easier to get the sides the right shape, finding it hard

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There are 6 or 7 web sites related to the Tor Corona including a video from which it appears it is the first sailing. I just googled the name, or use MS Tor Corona,
or Sea Corona.

Not sure how a Star Trek episode shows up in the list

For a Stockless Anchor, As a guess I would use the the largest one 50,000#, based on the DWT of the ship, the photo,s I posted relate to a 25,000# anchor from the list.

You will also find related info on your own modelling

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Morning Ken, I checked out that anchor link with you suggesting 50,000 pounds , I found that weight, page 14, had measurements, what would the measurements, inches ore metric , this anchor was 152 in length ?

Back into the ship build after watching  Big Bang theory.

Have you seen the Americans diesel rotary plow,  three diesel locos to push it and one at the other end, great scratch building project, was  watching it in action you tube on TV.

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The measurement,s are in inches, to convert to MM for HO scale, multiply Inches by .029, If in Feet factor is .35.

The large anchor in HO scale would work out

Length 44 MM
Width 38 MM
Thick 20 MM
Flukes 29 MM

Currently 16 C, should hit 31 C later today, to hot for me to be out in, have a few cold ones lined up though!

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Afternoon Kin, I am a day  ahead  of you, it is 9.50am here and 18 degrees in the sun 11 degrees under therpergola, you have a different heat to us, your 31 degrees be our 43 degrees.

Yeah that is what I worked out, have a scale calculator can work out feet  or inches to mm's.

http://www.scalemodelersworld.com/online-scale-converter-tool.html

Pretty awesome, I use it to work out my ship measurements to 1/87scale, have started work on the knuckle line, making a 10mm beam to strengthen the cardboard, once glued in place will make it easier when  shaping the side panel between the knuckle line and raised deck, pics to follow.

Still working on the module bus wiring, got three blocks to finish wiring takes time, next module important module, the one the control panel  connects to.

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Hi Ken, I had the right link to the stockless anchor all the time forgot I had it right size, will send them an email to see if I can buy two anchors, otherwise have to buy 4, question is with the anchor recess has to be square them to fit the anchor,.

http://frenchmanriver.com/Stockless-Anchor-_p_77.html

If so can finish off the anchor recess panel and glue it in place, make it a hell of a lot easier when working the side panel between the raised deck and knuckle line.

On a high Tony from down under

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Hi Ken, I had this link all the time as close as I can get, don't realry need to buy the anchors as the real ship has them u inside the anchor recess.

http://frenchmanriver.com/Stockless-Anchor-_p_77.html

The measurements on the scale stocklees anchor is 44 by 25 I guess the measurements be in metric 25 mm wide if so I can cut out the anchor recess to square as mine is 24 by 12 .

I have being working on the sides between the knuckle line and raised deck , not an easy tack, I both sides cut out, if I have time tonight, it is movie night I will star measuring the windows if they call them windows. The guy that helped me get the plans for the ship will be contacting me Monday as he has being out of his office or a while , will ask him  with many more questions .

It is amazing what you find on the net came across PDF files on the Corona had a fire on the main deck, complete plan of the ship to the to roof of the bridge no the height to the bridge, u to that height my ship is 13 inches high, don't know the height of the main mask .

The way I am going will finely finish the Bow section of the ship at long last, as close as I will get with my build.

Getting there , Tony from down under

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With 3 major projects on the go, ship, bridge and layout
you are going to be busy for a while. I will stick to smaller projects, finishing up a few pieces of rolling stock
and have two building's to get a start on.

I have a few pieces of interior items done for one, need to clean up my shop for access to lathe and milling machine.

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Evening Ken, nice having use of a lather, what sort of lathe is it and a milling machine for use in your projects Ken,  like to see some pics of your workshop, I used to have a wood  lathe, donated it to the local men's shed, my medical condition is getting worse and had trouble in setting up the lathe.

My garden shed wasn't big enough to have the lathe permanently set up with the modules stored  in the shed as well, I put wheels on the lathe and used to wheel it out when I wanted to do some turning, on top of getting the bench grinder out and tool box that had the chisels in it, was sad to let it g, I did a hell of a lot of turning, made my money on it.

Here is the latest up date on my ship, closed in one side between the knuckle line and raised deck was not easy, with the curve knuckle line, could not cut the card straight,This is why I cut the card for the knuckle this time to make it easier to mark out the sides.

What do you think should I raise up the side windows a few mills to get it right with the scale figure, there be a second layer going on top of that layer of card.
I am still waiting for the guy I that  gave me  the planes to the ship, might send another update to see if he is now back in his office.
What do you know about electrofrog points, I bought one by mistake years back, it is a Peco 00 scale express point, I have found some info that might fix it so I can use it on the layout without have to throw it in the bin, cost too much 

How is summer treating you not as hot now, we are having warmer days this week 27 degrees today with warmer nights.

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No photo of my shop, as with wood tools, lathe, scroll saw, 2 table saws, chop saw, skill saw, assorted tools,
The metal side has a 9x20 lathe, mini milling machine,
Unimate lathe 35+ years old, 2 or 3 belt disk sanders, assorted stock's of wood, plastic, metal & a few other items which have no place in a shop.

As my shop is in the basement, I would love to have twice the room so I would not have to stack tools in front of each other. Having serious thought's to moving the lot into the side of my basement where I had built my layout. Put up some proper shelf's to store tools and some of the other item's.

I have an empty bedroom I can use for a smaller layout then I had in the basement.

The windows on your ship look fairly close in my view,
from the photos you have posted.
The last ship I sailed on was the "Ollanta" on Lake Titicaca in Peru in 2000.

"PECO" has a write up on their web site for the electrofrog point's, which may prove help full, some where
I have a write up for them, why I do not know as I do not have any.

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Evening Ken, lots of tools there,I would love a scroll saw,if I build a second model will have to get one, pretty cheap these days , Bunning our  warehouse has a good range, would buy Ryobi middle range.

I moved the windows up a couple of mm'S could of gone higher, will have to do, here is a pic of the final card layer between the knuckle deck and raised, be glad when the bow section is finished, getting there.

I managed to get power past the electrofrog frog, no power to the frog, today I wire in a SPST switch and the common wire coming from the frog will solder to the center pin of the plug and the other wire from one side of the point to the two ends, fingers crossed.

Don't work will become a wagon load and buy an insulfrog point to replace it, pain. 
Nice sunny morning 27 degrees today, cool change coming in.
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My wood working varies from 1/87 HO to 1/1 work, between my Mother, Daughter & Sister and friends I am kept busy with various projects, have learned I have not talent for furniture projects unless very simple :bang:.

Lathe work is usually done in plastic from 1/87 to 1/2 scale, need to get more comfortable with my lathe & milling tools before I tackle much in the way of metal work. Way!!!!! to many years since I took metal shop in school. In hindsight I wish I had taken 3 years of metal shop, rather then industrial electricity, thought I wanted to be an electrician, ended up as a power engineer instead

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Hi Ken, wow turning plastic, I turned plastic pecs as presents for family and friends, never got the chance to turn a rifle action pen for me, my lather would of come in handy to turn the winch drums for the winches on my ship. The bloke that gave me the ship plans   has sent me close up pics of the rope winches.

I have asking him if he can get more pics of the anchor winch and pics with measurements of the stern and main mask,  he sent me a close up pic of the anchor recess, going by that pic the anchor is not square. The anchor does not sit right inside can just see the end of it will need to buy two.

Rest day today going on the gaming computer to play a racing game.
How is summer affecting you Si said it is very hot in the UK .

Tony from sunny down under, still cool inside the house.

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I have being busy working on the raised deck side panels to the shelter cover and have completely finished that part of the bow build since the last update pics, not far away from completing the bow 




First two pics of each side of the raised deck side panel to the shelter cover, wasn't an easy task at all wasted cardboard getting it right, glad that part is over, I also cleaned up the edges, when I fill in the card joins will look a lot better.
If take a closer look there is a HO scale figure standing beside the hull giving an idea how big this ship is 



Next two pics with the shelter cover on an above pic with it off showing the shelter deck where the winches will be, there is another HO sale figure standing beside the window, at the end of the window, bulkhead there be a stair case on each side and a ladder in the middle, lots of detail after the ship is finished.
There be bright led lights to light up that ares up to see the winches through the windows.







Lucky last pic, close up pic of the anchor recess , still a lot ahead , will be akin gin easy no rush 

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Breaking news, finely I have finished the bow keel front of my model ship at long last, to three attempts later, very happy as close as I can get , still not a 100 percent, when I start on the second ship be big improvements and more plans to go by. This water line model is a learning curve, second one will have  a full hull and radio control.








The windows aren't right, will need more pics from the captain and there is more detail plans of the raisded deck and weather cover .

I can now move onto the next bulkhead which has the stair cases to the upper and to deck from the main deck, won't see the stairs be closed in, starting tonight, there still is a bow shape to the end of the first section of the ship, the rest are square to the water line. Am glad to see the end of the front bow, three goes later, was a very hard build indeed, did make a mistake on the front bow, was able to fix it, when finished be stunning model like the real ship indeed.

Two week to go and we be going on another holiday to Caloundra, same unit as we had Christmas time and this time will make sure to take my good camera and hope to capture the same shot of a cruise ship passing a container ship

I have being working on the module that be connecting to the control panel, today will start on the wires coming from the bus terminal strips, 20 blocks, trouble with DC, if I had DCC only two wires to the power supply.

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Keep up the good work, one step at a time, I know how that
go's. Looking forward to further progress on the ship. Hope you get the photos you need on vacation.

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Hi Ken, many thanks yeah sure will keep you posted on the ships progress, I cut out the next bulkheads, didn't turn out well at all, have to start again didn't line up, being getting more plans of the, wish I had the earlier, would of made it easier especially to do with the anchor recess and raised deck construction plans.
Looking forward to the weeks holiday, even bought a second battery as back up for the camera, will put a note on the fridge , counting the days.
Layout update, have finely finished the wiring  on the module that is connecting to the main control panel, all that needs doing now is crimp on those connectors and screw on a board for them to be fasten to , pics on the Camdale post.
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