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 Posted: Fri Apr 6th, 2018 06:59 pm
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A group of us are building a 16mm scale model of Stony Shaw on the Bredgar & Wormshill Light Railway in Kent (UK).

So far we have completed the baseboards and have just started on the track work.

This is a test piece we have put together to try out various techniques for ballasting and weathering.

Our plan is to be a bit different especially as this is an exhibition layout.

We have a WEB site that give the progress so far
.   FSIJ


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 Posted: Fri Apr 6th, 2018 08:48 pm
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WOW.

I had no idea what 16MM translated to a ratio scale, so I look it up (it's about 1:19 scale).

Even in such a large scale, that's very impressive track work!





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 Posted: Fri Apr 6th, 2018 09:27 pm
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Very nice!.

In such a large scale, bruised fingers come with link and pin couplers, right?.

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Part of the plan is to have remotely controlled couplers,

but yes not good getting to close to the couplings.



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Simon started this thread off about this layout, I will bring the thread up to date.

Apologies to those who may have come across this build thread on other forums,
be aware a lot has happened and there will be a lot to read!

What is First Sunday in June?

16mm to the foot (1/19th), fine scale model railway.

Who?
Three people initially, now four, narrow gauge enthusiasts, modellers, volunteers,
all wanting to do something a little differently to the norm,
bringing skills of draughtsmanship, engineering, electronics and art to the melting pot,
and hopefully coming out with something worthwhile at the end.
Ken, Simon, Martin and now Neale that’s the team.
The same team that built The Yard.

Why?
All four of us have 16mm live steam locos and enjoy the whole garden railway hobby.
We are all modellers in 7mm scale, both narrow and standard gauge,
the benefit of which has enabled us to exhibit our work at many exhibitions, an activity we enjoy.
All three of us are regular volunteers on the Bredgar & Wormshill Light Railway,
giving us superb access to a whole array of narrow gauge railway items.
Our aim is to produce a finescale model railway in 16mm scale, scratch building virtually everything,
using which ever production method is suitable,
exploring laser/digital cutting, 3D printing, CNC milling, DCC control with sound.

The model
This will be a true scale representation of Stony Shaw station and approaches on the Bredgar & Wormshill Light Railway,
time stamp will be the first Sunday in June.
Here will be documented the Warts-n-all process we go through in hopefully achieving our aim.
Building of the stock will be under separate threads.

In the beginning
Each Monday evening (now Thursday afternoons) we meet up and develop our ideas,
some of which culminate in some test building to prove or visualise concepts.
Between meetings there are projects we work on in readiness for the next meet up.
Having a regular commitment has enabled the project to keep momentum and progress at a regular rate.
A timeline has been created to cover baseboard, track, scenery, signalling, stock and wiring,
enabling parallel production to take place and give us targets to achieve.
The layout will be approximately 25 feet long (this later changed to 32 feet long) plus a traverser fiddle yard,
with the minimum number of bolts holding it all together to allow quick assembly and take down for exhibition use.
To get going a site survey was made with a lot of measuring taking place.




















Three of us after a day measuring on a chilly January day.





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Planning
This is the original concept sketch that started off the whole project.





The desire to produce a layout that gets away from the matt black front profile edge that is seen so many times at exhibitions.
To find an alternative to the obligatory hanging curtain fixed to the lower edge of baseboards.
Perhaps the inclusion of mood lighting to add variety to the presentation of the layout.
I see many beautifully modelled layouts let down but ‘after thought’ presentation, a real shame.
I strongly believe layouts should be designed as a complete package, to show them off at their best.
There are some very imaginatively presented layouts out there,
hey draw you to them, encouraging you to take a look.

To this end, we have designed out the flat baseboard edge,
FSIJ is to have a completed landscaped edge, to give the impression of floating in air.

The presentation surround to the layout is a complete contrast to the popular black, by being white.

Main construction materials to be thin ply, foam and PVC.
Minimum use of bolts for assembly, minimum wiring connectors.

Further sketching refined the design.
We also built an initial concept model.





The first concept model.





To help fully prove the design further a 1/20th scale model of the model was constructed using balsa, card and foam.

The support formers were cut from card to represent the thin ply, balsa was used to represent inner timber framing,
this may eventually be replaced by thin foam in the real model.










Initial assembly.





Representations of the main baseboards.





A board and two supports taking shape.





Now with two of the six boards in place.





Upper and lower facias making an appearance.





To be continued ...


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The layout will be fed by a fiddle yard,
rather than hide this away, we will be making a feature of it,
thereby increasing the viewing footage of the layout.

This is the initial concept sketch.





As a contrast to the layout this will be mainly of a flat panel construction, with clip together assembly.
The fiddle yard itself will be a traverser, hopefully in a powered format with push button track positioning using stepper motors.

Viewing will be through the upper glazed panel, the interior of the fiddle yard will be mainly white surfaces and aluminium,
hopefully all of display case quality and lit appropriately to enable show visitors to see the stock close up.

The lower panel will be a static display shelf behind a glazed panel.
Inside at the back at low level will be a shelf to hold all electrics and tools, this will basically be a wide flat box with a lid,
this will fix to the front and sides and help form the fiddle yard box structure, from this the layout will be hung.

This will be the first thing assembled at a show and the last thing disassembled, well that's the theory :)

A model was constructed to prove the idea.





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Things have moved on ...
Here you can see two out of the four front boards, one of the curved boards and the fiddle yard.

We had decided to move away from a 90 degree turn and gone for something nearer 30 degrees,
which is more in keeping with the approaching curve into Stony Shaw.





Not being entirely happy with how the end of the layout was looking,
it was back to the drawing pad to rough out an alternative approach to the overall look of the layout.





This looked far more complete in terms of feel so a new model was made.
Here it is in the early stages of mocking up.





This shows how the end board will attach to the fiddle yard.





We also tried out some ideas for lighting.
We rather like the prospect of illuminating the lower front of the layout and to have the ability to use colour in the lighting if needed.
This should also help accentuate the floating in air look.










Added some colour and buildings to the scene.
The final track layout will not be parallel to the baseboard edge.





Once the layout has gone through the curve it will open up a view into the station approach.





Next up a control panel.


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Further development with the project involves the control interface(s),
although tablet and smart phone control is a definite,
mimic panel was also felt necessary and to be in keeping with the project feel.

Initial thoughts were for a floating panel mounted on a fine tube from under the layout,
rather like this concept sketch.





Potentially milled from aluminium, the track plan engraved on the surface with touch sensitive areas for switching of points and signals.

Investigation of the touch sensitive switching areas ruled this out on grounds of cost to develop them.

We have sourced some rather nice light touch switches, which have inbuilt illumination.





A scrap of sheet steel was used to see how they could mount for the panel.





Mulling the initial idea over during the following weeks,
we decided the panel at the very front interrupted the uncluttered lines of the front of the layout,
a revised version is now mounted on the side of the layout,
but following the curvature angle of the end board framing.

The thought now is to construct the panel from white acrylic which will match the rest of the layout supporting structure.
The track plan will be engraved/milled into the acrylic with maybe LED/Neon lights illuminating the route of the plan when set.





A small design touch is to link the orange of the switch into the layout name facia panel thus...





Next up will be the fiddle yard which has developed into a format we had not envisaged at the outset!


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Before a fiddle yard update, here is an introductory piece about the trackwork.

With the design stage of the layout progressing some thoughts have started on the track work.


The concept for the track is :
  1. Follow the prototype as closely as possible
  2. No visible wire connections
  3. High detail level
  4. Provide reliable running

We had a search around for suitable rail, and found that Tenmille produce a flat bottom rail which is suitable.

Working from the full size fixings we produced a selection of base plates from 0.9 nickel silver plate and half round rod,
to simulate the elastic rail fixing point.





The first two plates didn't quite fit the size as the half round rod is from a well known supplier, and not of the correct size. 

The completed one in the photo is about right, this used a half round section machined from a 3/32 bar which is to scale size.

The elastic fixings need a bit more work to lengthen them slightly, using a simple bending jig which is easily modified. 





Making these parts gives us the feel for the size of track components,
as most of our experiences to date has been in 7mm, and it’s surprising how large the components are.

The screws will also act as the power feed points.





The next stage is to produce some patterns of the plates, bolts and fixings ready for lost wax casting,
and start looking at developing the components for the points.

An interesting side-by-side comparison shot, just a few little tweaks to do and we are almost there.





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