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 Posted: Mon Apr 23rd, 2018 03:08 am
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I am looking for ideas for an industry to model.
It will not need to be a particular prototype, but I do want it to be plausible.
I would like to model it or a portion of it to start my layout in a TOMA fashion,
but the start will need to have enough action to hold interest and drive me to add more - or bail on the whole model RR thing.
This will be like a test to see how much I like this.

I am thinking 2'x4', but could expand the length a bit or maybe even tackle 2 of the 2'x4' modules to start.
I just do not want to overdo it, and then there is the politics within the household to deal with as well,
I have so far lost all the previous ideas/battles.
So I need this to be modular and easy enough to set up and tear down.

I am desiring turn of the century, but it could be changed for something else interesting (I have toyed with WW2 ideas as well).
I am not necessarily stuck on US, other interesting areas I have stumbled across in reading/researching are Mexico, South America,
and I like the look of German/Prussian locomotives.
I am open to looking at pretty much anything.
I might even consider early diesel as I like the SWs and RSs and the like.

There is of course mining and lumber, and I ran across another idea of a steel industry as well recently.
I might like something a bit different and do not al all mind researching; I actually enjoy it.
What else existed at the turn of the century that might make for interesting operations?

What can I do earlier or later in time?
I also need to consider readily enough available rolling stock.

Thank you all!




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nevermind!  :glad:

Last edited on Mon Apr 23rd, 2018 04:19 am by Helmut F



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Hi Helmut :wave:



Some people will tell you it's a load of un-prototypical spaghetti ! :td:

Others might say, it's the best thing since sliced bread !! L:

Still more may not have an opinion, or give a monkeys uncle. :us:



But ... :y:

... a few people have actually made this. ;)

Or versions of it.

Or layouts strung together with a number of these, as each 'station' area.



Tried & tested.

Does exactly what it says on the tin.

You can tell the Mrs. it's as cheap as chips ( that's potato ones ! ) ...

... & doesn't take up too much valuable shoe-rack space. :w:





Only 5 switches ... You don't need the lil' shortie-track at the top-center.




John Allens 2nd 'Timesaver' I think ... In the ^^ San Diego Model Railroad Museum. :brill:

Follow in the footsteps of the famous ! :bow:





A nice looking 'Timesaver' from Google Images, to give an idea of car size in HO scale.

Some people make theirs 'foldable' like the one ^^ above. L:



The normal scheme is a 36" middle section, with an 18" flap either side.

There is a version drawn using 'Atlas Snap Track' for a 17"-34"-17" configuration.



As Bob R recently pointed out in one of your many Threads Helmut, can't remember which one ...

... this would work in ... HO ... On30 ... 1:35n2 ... Gn15 ... in the SAME SPACE and all with 16.5mm track ! ...

... since the car lengths in that fairly wide spread of 4 different scales, are essentially the same.



:apl:



Si.



As for industries ...

... how about the 'Honky Haddock Canning Co.' ... :f:

... & across 'the main' on one of the dog-legs ...

... the 'Fresh As A Daisy' air-freshener factory. [whack]



FAIRLY plausible scenario I feel.

Better than most Steven Segal flicks !

A skilled liar or politician could probably convince your Mrs. to OK the project ...

... provided there's no impact on the shoe-budget of course ! ;)




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Si.

Thx again, you always have something to bring to the table, not always model railroading.
I believe Bob's comment was in the batteries in N scale thread.
The issue with that idea, while it basically can work in multiple scales,
is that the buildings/elements take up very different amounts of space with HO, O and G.
The trackage/rolling stock might work, but the space for the layout elements shrink quickly.
Unless I am just way wrong on that.

Yeah, I have been looking at small switching layouts as a starting point.
I just do not want to crowd the scene too much.
So I am hoping a single industry might work out well, or maybe two close together that make sense.
Then string some number of these together into a plausible branch line.

But a cannery is not a bad idea, raw materials would not consist of just the goods to be canned.
Did canneries exist as larger industries around the turn of the century?
I have some research to do.

A dairy or creamery might not be a bad idea either.

No lies to the Mrs.!
I just need to negotiate and build points!




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" nevermind!  :glad:"



Hi again Helmut :wave:



Ah ! a Nirvana fan huh ?

Life was so simple getting drunk & bopping to Kurt & Co. ;)

THEN  .  .  .

The harsh light of morning ! :shocked:



" The issue with that idea,
while it basically can work in multiple scales,
is that the buildings/elements take up very different amounts of space with HO, O and G.
The trackage/rolling stock might work,
but the space for the layout elements shrink quickly."



The buildings, if you have any, can be made ANY SIZE YOU WISH ! :thumb:

YES a Gn15 building MIGHT be ACTUALLY a smaller prototype, but SO ARE THE CARS it loads up. :apl:



" I have been looking at small switching layouts as a starting point.
I just do not want to crowd the scene too much
so I am hoping a single industry might work out well,
or maybe two close together that make sense "



A whopping great big 6ft long board in HO, is not going to look the least bit crowded at all.

Unless of course you want it to. :us:

Make an example HO building or 'flat', if only from a Corn Flakes box, to check out sizes.

A 'Timesaver' has CAR SPOTS, not all of which are 'industries', or even need to be modelled.

There are NO RULES ! :td:



" No lies to the Mrs.!
I just need to negotiate and build points! "



On game-shows, POINTS MAKE PRIZES ! :bg:

In reality, points make 'Timesavers' !!

Just buy the switches & nail 'em down. :P

Worry about the Mrs. & Industrial harmony ...

...   l   a   t   e   r   .   .   .   :slow:



:mex:



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Helmut,

If you're thinking of a canning operation take a look at Monterey and Pacific Grove.
The Southern Pacific use to have a branch that ran there to service the canneries.
The buildings could just be flats to save space.
You would have some street running and tight spaces.

On my railroad I built a small operating ore tipple for borax that actually loads the cars, and then they're dumped at the terminal.

I like your idea of a turn of the century type railroad.
Small locos and short cars would make your shelf layout seem larger.




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my main industry will be an assembly plant for "crickets". raw materials in/ finished product out.

http://www.dday-overlord.com/en/material/equipment/cricket

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" I am thinking 2'x4',
but could expand the length a bit
or maybe even tackle 2 of the 2'x4' modules to start "



Hi Helmut :wave:



The center section of a foldable 'Timesaver' is a very nice & easy to handle 36"/34" long size. :brill:

It could also be 4' long as well, with 6" of both the 2 'lead tracks' on either end of the main switch-work.



" Then string some number of these together into a plausible branch line "



Great idea Helmut ! :thumb:

Easy & simple to expand from your basic 3' to 4' module as you ( or the Mrs.) sees fit. :P

Corner modules equally interesting in potential & easily doable as well.

No need for BIG HUGE BRAINSTORM trackplans to start with ...

... as you simply can't go wrong with a 3' to 4' test-track, Timesaver module to start with. :2t:



" I have been looking at small switching layouts as a starting point.
I just do not want to crowd the scene too much
so I am hoping a single industry might work out well,
or maybe two close together that make sense "



The original John Allen 'Timesaver' is ABSOLUTELY PERFECT for your ideas about industries. [toast]



 

The center track, with the 2-1-2 car capacity, is your 'main' or 'branch' line. :old dude:

The car capacity numbers are how many std. 40' cars John Allen could fit on a track ...

... in a 'self contained' version, obviously your loco has to fit on the 2 'lead tracks' at either end of the runaround loop.

So these EITHER contain 2 cars, OR 1 car & 1 loco ! L:



This trackplan could EASILY represent either 1 or 2 industries.

One industry on each side of your 'main' or 'branch' line.

How perfect for you is that !! :!:



You don't particularly need a huge great 2' width to it either, unless of course you want that.

An 8'x4' manmade-board split 5 ways is 19" widths. ???

An 8'x4' manmade-board split 6 ways is 16" widths. ???

An 8'x4' manmade-board split 7 ways is 13.5" wide. ???



Using British 'Hornby' sectional HO/OO track, which has a track-geometry center to center of 67mm ...

... a 'Timesaver' COULD be made, which is ONLY 8" wide (or less even !) ... :shocked:

... using simple & easy to make ABSOLUTE flat buildings, kitbashed from cheap plastic models. :)

It could VERY EASILY still be made to FOLD and these flats stored inside the folded layout. :apl:



The 2 industries are neither here nor there really. :us:

They can be whatever freight-cars you happen to like.

I like tank cars, so fuel, chemicals, liquid industries would do me fine ... :cool:

... anyone else of course CAN and WILL have different favorite cars ...

... so go right ahead & choose yourself. ??? :thumb:



If you can't make up your mind ...

... flip a coin, roll a dice, pick a card, buy a job lot on eBay ...

... the choice is done for you. ;)

Orders from the 'higher-ups' as they might say ! :Salute:



Whatever happens though ... KEEP IT FUN !! :bg:



:moose:



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Thank you guys.

I am currently investigating canneries.
I am definitely open to other ideas as well.
I have previously considered a desert mining layout as well, but I would like to do something a bit different.




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" I just do not want to overdo it,
and then there is the politics within the household to deal with as well
I have so far lost all the previous ideas/battles.
So I need this to be modular and easy enough to set up and tear down "



Hi Helmut :wave:



I was thinking (always a bad sign) perhaps you could "tear down" some existing shelving ...

... to make way for a much much better use of the available household space ...

... Your NEW shelf layout !!  :)



It worked for me !! :bg:





Have a look around for this kind of space wasting & unsightly kind of minimalist shelving.  :f:

When you've spotted some, clear all the junk off it & bundle it all away in bin bags. :apl:

"Tear down" the old shelves.


:doh:


BINGO !  :thumb:

The perfect space for a classic John Allen 'Timesaver' layout ... with your chosen 'Industry Ideas' of course.

Maybe a shoe factory ?  L:



[whack]



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