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 Posted: Sat Apr 28th, 2018 10:55 pm
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Not a good idea to share layout space with a woman's closet.
Since I got married over 30 years ago I claimed a room for myself everywhere we went and defended it with claw and tooth,
because I know damn well that at the first sign of perceived weakness everything will be lost.

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" Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer "


:P


This has frequently been ascribed to Sun Tzu & once in a while to Niccolò Machiavelli or Petrarch.

Yet there are no distributed sources saying which was its origin ...

... before its utilization by " Michael Corleone " in 'The Godfather - Part II'  (1974)



I think we just made her an offer she couldn't refuse !  ;)



:w:



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Si.

That is absolutely hilarious!!!

I even had to show my wife, she at least cracked a smile.

:moose:




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" Si, That is absolutely hilarious!!! I even had to show my wife "



Hi Helmut :wave:



Well ... What can I say ... THANKS ! ;)


Trains, to me at any rate, aint all about poker-faced ol' duffers, with no sense of humour !!  :old dude:

There's enough of THAT on the T.V. to last me a lifetime. :f:


:mex:


One thought about the choosing of your industry/s.

Possibly 'obvious' ... But so are most of the Worlds great-ideas ... Once someone has done 'em.



You could in a sense either PRIORITIZE the 'industry' OR the 'railroad cars'.

ie. if you really must have a 'shoe factory' ... Then expect nothing much more than plain boxcars to serve it.

On the other hand, if there are some more 'unusual' freight-cars that you like ...

... then PRIORITIZE the cars & THEN select your industry/s to suit the cars you like best.



Just a thought.

There are 1,000,000 ways to do it of course ! L:





Can't help thinking that the 'Timesaver' trackplan has 'HELMUT' written all over it though ! :P

Follow in the footsteps of the FAMOUS !!  :bow:



[whack]



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" to start my layout in a TOMA fashion "



Hi Helmut :wave:



Could you translate this please ? ???

I ran " TOMA " as an acronym through Google & got a load of garbage out. :f:

What exactly are you trying to say here ?


:us:


I doubt this will solve your whole era, industry, country, steam/diesel dilemma.

Only YOU can decide what YOU like at the end of the day.

But ...

... freight cars choices & likes/dislikes are quite important for all this, in my opinion.



Some will say that eg. boxcars & tankcars are great for operations ...

... cos you can't see if they are FULL or EMPTIES.

On the other hand ...

... with hoppers, gondolas & flatcars etc. the load is either VISIBLE, or not there.



Although I like tankcars & of course boxcars, a railroad after all, is most often a DIVERSE carrier ...

... I also like seeing if a car is FULL or EMPTY ... & what it is carrying.

Lots of modelers put as much effort into making their 'loads' as they do their cars, quite right too.



The absolute simplest & potentially diverse 'industry' & suitable for operating 'load visible' cars ...

... could be a Team-Track, with both 'end' & 'side' platform/ramp unloading ...

... including perhaps a simple trackside crane, for gondola & flatcar loading/unloading ...

... or a mobile road crane & of course the possibility of having some nice road vehicle models as well.



You COULD also have a simple & small 'freight house' at the Team-Track as well.

This could suit turn of the century 'less-than-car-load' shipping perfectly ...

... or justify it in ANY scenario, with a simple 'back story' as to who uses it & why.



It does NOT take up much room, is fairly easy & quick to model, giving maximum operating diversity !



Whadayerfink ? L:



:brill:



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If you Google 'railroad team tracks' you'll come up with all kinds of images, and ideas.
It can be as simple or as complex as you want.

Don't forget an interchange connection.
Even some narrow gauge lines interchanged with other railways.




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Guys thx.

I have been focusing on selling off my G scale stuff, it is a bit of work to take pictures, research pricing, and list them on eBay.
Most of that is done, and when I have a few spare moments, I am researching.

Last night I ran into something that is quite interesting.
The Erie Harlem yard.
Small freight house team operation that got fed from a car float and had no other connection to any rail line!
So that already got me thinking along the lines of a team track and freight house.


Si.

I fully agree the types of cars are important enough to make a plausible/believable layout operation.

Right now I am looking for a small amount of cars and firming up my desire for Peco code 83 track.
But code 70 is probably a better representative for turn of the century.
But can one tell?

Is there a rule as in G gauge, the 10 ft rule?


BTW - TOMA = The One Module Approach.
Plan for a larger layout but build one module at a time.




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Helmut,

On the 10 foot rule in smaller scales it's more like the 3 foot rule; if it looks good from 3 feet away then your good.

On using different rail sizes cod 83 should be just fine especially if you plan on burying much of the track.
You could use some code 70, or even code 55, on a few of the spurs just to mix it up a little.

On my layout (35n2) I use code 100 and code 83 mostly.
Did lay one spur with code 80 rail that I took off a few sections of Atlas N scale track.
 



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" Last night I ran into something that is quite interesting.
The Erie Harlem yard.
Small freight house team operation that got fed from a car float and had no other connection to any rail line! "


Hi Helmut  :wave:



How's it going ?  ???



Yep ... Those city type car-float setups, are an interesting proposition for a builder.

Some were incredibly small yards as well.

I love car floats !  :bg:



I thought you might like this Operations Thread :-

Operations With Computer Generated Orders

Car movements printed out, from a simple computer program.

An outdoors railroad, but just as relevant for a small indoors switching layout.



Check it out !



:cool:



Si.




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Si,
I think I can help with that one.
'TOMA' is a term used by Joe Fugate and the people at model railroad hobbyist.
It means "The One Module Approach".
The idea is to build the train layout in sections and expand or contract as space allows.
The layout can either be based on a set of modular standards, or be done in sections that fit together like a puzzle.
It's an old idea that has been repackaged for the Internet age.
I guess I'm doing the same with my Crouch Line layout, just over a very long time period.


Now for my two pennies on the topic at hand:

Helmut,
If I were you, rather than focusing on an industry, I would focus on a town or an area.
Modeling entire industries in a realistic manner require big layouts.
For instance, fruit trains were big down in California but their destinations were all across the continent.
Where I'm from, grain is the big commodity even going back to the turn of the century.
Elevators on the prairie would collect the crops, load them onto trains,
and the trains would be shipped hundreds of miles to mills in the great lakes.
Even logging operations typically had miles of track.

So rather than trying to pack an entire industry into a small space, I would focus on one town, one mine, a sawmill, or a switching district.
California had plenty of places that match that description.
Personally I would do a switching district, or part of a yard,
since that allows the greatest variety of cars AND the highest traffic density in a small space.
That means trains were running almost every day with a long list of cars to switch.

As for the layout design, I say building modules which can sit level on a series of shelves or on 6' folding tables would be the best option.
You don't have nearly as much wood working to do plus then you've got a bunch of portable tables to use for other uses if need-be.
That's what I'm doing for my Crouch Line project and it seems like it will work.
All I need to do is build some adjustable feet so the modules will line up properly.


Hope I was able to help!

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