Freerails Home 
Home Search search Menu menu Not logged in - Login | Register
Freerails > Model Railroad Forums > HO & OO Scale > Remotoring Basic Bachmanns With Flywheels - How To ?

Freerails IS ACCEPTING new Members ... To join Freerails ... See how to Register as a Member in the 'Joining Freerails' Forum

Remotoring Basic Bachmanns With Flywheels - How To ?
 Moderated by: Herb Kephart
New Topic Reply Printer Friendly
 Rating:  Rating
AuthorPost
 Posted: Wed Apr 25th, 2018 03:54 pm
  PMQuoteReply
1st Post
Kitbash0n30
Registered


Joined: Mon Dec 10th, 2012
Location: Boonville, Missouri USA
Posts: 633
Status: 
Offline
Question for y'all.

It has been since the 1980s, 1990s, that I've actually done the work to re-motor anything
and I'm pondering putting can motor with flywheels in these secondhand Bachmann FT.
What is out there for doing so these days?





Paint plan is to do them in Minneapolis & St Louis green and yellow as 445 and 545
which had interesting hatches in top of nose in front of fireman's side
EDIT: Engineer's side windshield. (Engineer was on right on almost all US roads)
Hatch appears to be made from side porthole frame.

See:

http://sjcook.com/trains/mccall/rollingstk/msl445.jpg

http://sjcook.com/trains/mccall/rollingstk/msl545b.jpg

Which brings up an story from the mid 1980s.
Model Railroader's 1981 edition of Diesel Locomotive Cyclopedia has on page 91
a B&W photo of M&Stl 545 with B unit and trailing A which clearly shows that hatch.
I wrote them a letter asking if they might have more information on that.
Their reply was that such a thing was not done.
Dang I now wish I'd kept that letter but I tossed it out at the time because MR's reply was so in-your-face idiotic.





Got pre-blackened etch parts from Highliners for the hatch rim and don't yet know what to do for hinges.
Shaving a porthole rim off a body shell turned out to not work.

And as usual with my projects someone is probably going to ask why I'm going through the effort to do this to Bachmann locos:
I'm living on Social Security Disability, you do the math.




____________________
See y'all later, Forrest.
Screw the rivets, I'm building for atmosphere
Back To Top

 Posted: Thu Apr 26th, 2018 05:10 pm
  PMQuoteReply
2nd Post
Si.
Moderator


Joined: Thu Feb 23rd, 2012
Location: London
Posts: 4280
Status: 
Online
Hi Forrest :wave:



Thanks for your REVIEW of the 'Cyclopedia', I'll have to buy one. ;)



I have to say I do like the colourful 'Minneapolis & St Louis' prototypes you've chosen to model.





& the slightly less colourful No.445 ... :P





I'm sure those slightly vintage Bachy locies are as common as rusty ol' Fords 'across the pond'. ;)

But you have to make allowances for us kitBASHin' Brits. here, who haven't seen one before. ???



HOLY COW ! ... Those chassis looks like if you're 'butter fingered' you'll need steel-toecap boots !! :shocked: ... N   I   C   E   !




If you feel like fillin' up yer memory-card a bit ... :old dude:

... I wouldn't mind seeing some 'closeys' of the chassis/trucks & bodywork for that matter.



As for re-motoring, my strategy on that issue is simple ... eBay ! :)

Someone like NWSL are bound to have a wizz-bang parts-kit for it, but no doubt at a price ! :f:



It looks like the existing double-shaft motor is a specific-fit within the diecasting, which could be tricky. L:

But having said that, a lot of these motor shapes DO tend to fall within standard outlines.


There are some really nice gearbox-motors available on eBay in various sizes, cheap as chips. :pop:

My insane :Crazy: brain is almost wondering ...

... if you don't want the top-speed of the 'Super Chief' ...

... COULD it be possible to fit TWO small gearbox-motors :slow: within the diecasting ?

I wouldn't rule it out personally, if the locos were gonna be used on a layout without a large consist.



:cool:



Si.




____________________

' Mysterious Moose Mountain ' - 1:35n2 - pt.II
http://www.freerails.com/view_topic.php?id=7318&forum_id=17&page=1

' M:R:W Motor Speedway !!! ' - 1:32 Slotcar Racing Layout
http://www.slotforum.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=59295&st=0&a
Back To Top

 Posted: Thu Apr 26th, 2018 06:08 pm
  PMQuoteReply
3rd Post
Kitbash0n30
Registered


Joined: Mon Dec 10th, 2012
Location: Boonville, Missouri USA
Posts: 633
Status: 
Offline
Si. wrote:
I'm sure those slightly vintage Bachy locies are as common as rusty ol' Fords 'across the pond'. ;)

But you have to make allowances for us kitBASHin' Brits. here, who haven't seen one before. ???

...
If you feel like fillin' up yer memory-card a bit ... :old dude:

... I wouldn't mind seeing some 'closeys' of the chassis/trucks & bodywork for that matter.

...

It looks like the existing double-shaft motor is a specific-fit within the diecasting, which could be tricky. L:


Hey there! Am breezing through while having lunch.

I've heard legends about a misty isle where the inhabitants perform arcane rituals on model trains, or railways, in the local lingo.

I don't know if I can do the images - camera says at the current settings card only has space for 9999 more images.

But, yeah, give me a while, I'll try to remember to post some before the day is over here in Missouri.

Talking diecast frames brings to mind that last week the cat told me the Dremel was feeling neglected.




____________________
See y'all later, Forrest.
Screw the rivets, I'm building for atmosphere
Back To Top

 Posted: Thu Apr 26th, 2018 07:56 pm
  PMQuoteReply
4th Post
Si.
Moderator


Joined: Thu Feb 23rd, 2012
Location: London
Posts: 4280
Status: 
Online
Hi Forrest :wave:


I guess the lunch break is over:pop: Not too much fat & salt I hope !



I'm thinking you've probably seen these lil' babies around & about here & there. ???

There are slightly bigger, and still affordable, gearbox-motors available on eBay as well.

But I have a few of these & it's rude not to, at only about $2 Bucks a pop inc. P&P ! :P





TWO of these will absolutely fit in, no doubt whatsoever. :)

This motor is very small, but is about the SAME SIZE as the one 'Bachy' use in their mooodern G.E. 44-Tonners in HO.

Nice lil' locies ... I've got one for my HO collection & one for WRECKING into 1:35n2. :shocked:





These are available at both 6 Volts & 12 Volts.

They are also available at between 30 - 300 RPM, & I believe possibly up to 100 RPM as well ?

A few calculations of loco wheel diameter & truck gear-ratios, should give a good guess to a suitable RPM to choose.



'Super Chief' motors they are not, but for a shelf layout crawler ... :slow: ... :thumb:



If you did manage to BURN a couple out ... :f:

... you'll be crying over the $3 - $4 Bucks for all of about 10 seconds ! ;)

Personally I think they'd go the distance for an HO shelf layout though ... EASY !!



Michael M just fitted one of these, vertically, into the cab of a HO 'Model Power' Plymouth, in converting to 1:35n2 :brill:



I would consider fitting a heatsink to the motor-body, maybe ??, in heavier-duty constant-run applications.

A couple of small finned aluminium sections, hacksawed from a scrap P.C. cooler, could even act as mounts/spacers. :!:





I hadn't thought of doing this double re-motor before, so thanks for the memory jog.

But I have an old 'Athearn' blue-box S12 (I think ?) ... L:

... which is just BEGGING to become a rusty clapped-out narrow-gauge CRITTER !! :w:



:moose:



Si.




____________________

' Mysterious Moose Mountain ' - 1:35n2 - pt.II
http://www.freerails.com/view_topic.php?id=7318&forum_id=17&page=1

' M:R:W Motor Speedway !!! ' - 1:32 Slotcar Racing Layout
http://www.slotforum.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=59295&st=0&a
Back To Top

 Posted: Thu Apr 26th, 2018 08:41 pm
  PMQuoteReply
5th Post
Kitbash0n30
Registered


Joined: Mon Dec 10th, 2012
Location: Boonville, Missouri USA
Posts: 633
Status: 
Offline
Si. wrote:
Michael M just fitted one of these, vertically, into the cab of a HO 'Model Power' Plymouth, in converting to 1:35n2 :brill:



I would consider fitting a heatsink to the motor-body, maybe ??, in heavier-duty constant-run applications.

A couple of small finned aluminium sections, hacksawed from a scrap P.C. cooler, could even act as mounts/spacers. :!:





I hadn't thought of doing this double re-motor before, so thanks for the memory jog.

But I have an old 'Athearn' blue-box S12 (I think ?) ... L:

... which is just BEGGING to become a rusty clapped-out narrow-gauge CRITTER !!


Hello again; got notice about your reply and decided to come look.
I'm paranoid about eBay from knowing several people who got burned several times each.
and it would require yet another account, login, password
no, no more, already have to have one for every blankety blank thing you do on the web.

But those motors are interesting ...

Have my mind set on something with flywheels.

As well as my little shelf layout it would be making laps on our club's 20ft, 6m, on  a side square, modular layout,
of which I have one side with my 4 modules.

And while we're talking bashing B'mann and Model Power in to larger narrower gauge models ...

... a bit of show and tell ...











With fuel tender and Thomas trucks for coal train.
Couplers on coal cars are old Kadee 4 without the spring,
and thereby having exaggerated slack action with a click click click as train starts one car at a time.

Couplers on all the locomotives are long shank Kadees without centering springs
and with expanded swing action for radial coupler style operation since it was originally an electric traction line.








If you knew what Willow Creek Forest Products' track was like you would understand why the mascots are hiding their eyes and praying.
(and bummer, I don't have an On30 layout at home but do have one in my imagination)








And some Gn15 creations on various Bachmann, Model Power, IHC, HO locomotive mechanisms.

https://flic.kr/s/aHsiYQ2vbR

I have this fantasy about having a house with 3 layout rooms, HO, On30, Gn15, and outdoors a garden railway.
With my health and resultant income it will remain fantasy barring a major miracle.
Oh well, such is life.
But I can dream.




____________________
See y'all later, Forrest.
Screw the rivets, I'm building for atmosphere
Back To Top

 Posted: Thu Apr 26th, 2018 09:31 pm
  PMQuoteReply
6th Post
Si.
Moderator


Joined: Thu Feb 23rd, 2012
Location: London
Posts: 4280
Status: 
Online
" I'm paranoid about eBay from knowing several people who got burned several times each "


Hi Forrest :wave:



I guess paranoid is about right there. :Crazy:

I figure you mean 'no sense of reality', as in the correct use of the word.



No one gets "burned" on eBay, unless they are a total idiot !

You don't get what you paid for ? ... MONEY BACK ! ... No problem whatsoever.



I've done well over 700 buys on eBay.

This is how much I've been ripped off by ... ZERO ... $0000.00c  :)

How much have I saved ? ... Couldn't put a figure on it. :bg:



Not $100s ... More like $1000s I would say, over about 5 years since I joined.

If you aint an eBay Member, you may as well just take a BIG wad of cash & flush it down the pan, right now !



I can look at DOZENS of motors & gearboxes, in the space of an hour or so.

In 'reality' one is unlikely to even be able to see 1 in a week.

I simply DON'T KNOW where I would even buy a motor, or a TON of other stuff, without eBay.

I couldn't even begin to either do any or afford any modelling without the VAST and cost effective choices on eBay.



Forget the paranoids .. & get with it dude ! :thumb:



:moose: :moose: :moose::moose: :moose:



Si.




____________________

' Mysterious Moose Mountain ' - 1:35n2 - pt.II
http://www.freerails.com/view_topic.php?id=7318&forum_id=17&page=1

' M:R:W Motor Speedway !!! ' - 1:32 Slotcar Racing Layout
http://www.slotforum.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=59295&st=0&a
Back To Top

 Posted: Thu Apr 26th, 2018 11:02 pm
  PMQuoteReply
7th Post
Dave C.
Registered
 

Joined: Tue Aug 16th, 2011
Location: Trenton, Texas USA
Posts: 25
Status: 
Offline
Hi Forest    I have a pair of older Bach FTs (70's or 80's) that I put on Athearn F7 powered chassis.  The body shells will interchange with a minor alteration of the mounting tabs.  The three slots above the fuel tanks, Athearn uses the center one.  You won't get a can motor, but will get flywheels     Dave C   

Back To Top


 Current time is 07:22 pm

Freerails > Model Railroad Forums > HO & OO Scale > Remotoring Basic Bachmanns With Flywheels - How To ?
Top



UltraBB 1.172 Copyright © 2007-2016 Data 1 Systems