Freerails Home 
Home Search search Menu menu Not logged in - Login | Register
Freerails > Model Railroad Forums > Track Planning > 'Piedmont Blues' - The Track Plan

Freerails IS ACCEPTING new Members ... To join Freerails ... See how to Register as a Member in the 'Joining Freerails' Forum

'Piedmont Blues' - The Track Plan
 Moderated by: Herb Kephart
New Topic Reply Printer Friendly
 Rating:  Rating
AuthorPost
 Posted: Sun May 6th, 2018 10:05 pm
  PMQuoteReply
1st Post
Daniel Beresford
Registered


Joined: Sun Sep 24th, 2017
Location: Chesterfield, United Kingdom
Posts: 126
Status: 
Offline
 
Si. requested I start a new thread here,
for the discussion of the proposed track plan for my O scale modular switching layout.



The track plan was drawn in SCARM - a free design software -
and then a screenshot of the SCARM plan was loaded into MS Paint to have the scenery drawn in.



SCARM is a wonderful tool, though it's somewhat limited in what track files are available to it.
I build all my switches using Fasttracks templates,
however there's no Fasttracks file for SCARM, so the plan is made with Atlas and Peco O scale track files,
so the plan isn't exactly to scale as my own turnout radii differs from those in the planning files.



Here's the trackplan:





This is a second draft of the plan, and I've already spotted something I'm going to change for the next draft.
There's a grade crossing and a road at the bottom of the layout that is at a right angle to the track.


Following the way the scenery would look if you factored it as a "real" location -
i.e. imaged the scenery carrying on off past the board edges,
this road appears to go directly into the river, with no where to go other than directly over it via a bridge,
but as it's in such a close proximity to the existing road/rail combined bridge that I plan to model,
it makes this road totally pointless.


The road doesn't actually add anything to the layout,
and as the coal dealer spur that would cross it needs to be at a different elevation to the main,
due to the presence of the coal drops at the end of it,
it would actually be a difficult scenic element to get correct.


It's positioning doesn't really fit, and it's not adding anything to the layout,
therefore I'll be removing it from the plan when draft number 3 comes around. :)


I'd certainly welcome any and all suggestions on this -
perhaps you can see something I might have overlooked,
which could cause issues down the line when the layout is operated?


Thanks,
Dan




____________________
-Dan
Back To Top

 Posted: Tue May 8th, 2018 04:33 am
  PMQuoteReply
2nd Post
Michael M
Registered


Joined: Thu Jan 26th, 2017
Location: San Bernardino, California USA
Posts: 845
Status: 
Offline
Any runaround tracks?



____________________
Michael
-------
Nye, Inyo & Esmeralda Railroad
Back To Top

 Posted: Tue May 8th, 2018 04:58 am
  PMQuoteReply
3rd Post
Daniel Beresford
Registered


Joined: Sun Sep 24th, 2017
Location: Chesterfield, United Kingdom
Posts: 126
Status: 
Offline
Yes.

There's a runaround at the end of the line, between 12 and 17 on the plan.
To save space, the end of the runaround is a sliding sector plate, which I guess isn't that clear on the plan.

I'll make sure to highlight it more clearly on future drafts. :)

Thanks,
Dan




____________________
-Dan
Back To Top

 Posted: Wed May 9th, 2018 08:51 pm
  PMQuoteReply
4th Post
Si.
Moderator


Joined: Thu Feb 23rd, 2012
Location: London
Posts: 4288
Status: 
Online
Hi Dan :wave:



Sorry for the late reply ... after demanding a new 'Track Planning' Thread !  ;)

Couldn't see the wood for the trees ... after a boring Bank-Holiday of garden cutting-back.  :f:

Hope you had some good sunshine, depending on which side of the cloud-band you were on !  :cool:



I see what you mean about that surplus 'road to nowhere'.  L:

How high do you think the Coal Dealer unloading coal-drops would be, compared to ZERO ?

It looks like the coal-drop spur would hold 1 - 2 cars maximum ?  ???

I guess that is possibly the only 'grade' on the plan.



Seeing the Marina & Boat Yard at the bottom-left ...

... I can't help wondering if the 'traverser' could somehow become a Car-Float !

But I guess 3-tracks would be difficult to install, unless a 3-way switch was used.

2-tracks might not be enough.

Just thought it could maximise the scenery potential at that point.  :)

But perhaps not ?



The Road/Rail Bridge with 'street-running' looks pretty cool.  :thumb:

I do wonder if that baseboard section could be made a bit wider, maybe up to your existing boards 2' width.

Perhaps you have a window in the room there though ?



I really like the Track Plan generally & think it has a TON of great Ops. moves in it.

It could EASILY work in HO or On30 or even 1:35n2, with some allowances for the different scales.

It's a def. MOOSER for sure !  :bg:



:moose: :moose: :moose: :moose: :moose:



Si.



I'd love to see the 1st draft of the plan ... Just out of curiosity. :P




____________________

' Mysterious Moose Mountain ' - 1:35n2 - pt.II
http://www.freerails.com/view_topic.php?id=7318&forum_id=17&page=1

' M:R:W Motor Speedway !!! ' - 1:32 Slotcar Racing Layout
http://www.slotforum.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=59295&st=0&a
Back To Top

 Posted: Wed May 9th, 2018 09:13 pm
  PMQuoteReply
5th Post
Si.
Moderator


Joined: Thu Feb 23rd, 2012
Location: London
Posts: 4288
Status: 
Online
I actually think I might have just seen the '1st draft' in your 'layout build' Thread Dan.  :)



'Piedmont Blues' - Layout Build Thread



- - - - - - -



Dans '1st draft' ?







- - - - - - -



Dans '2nd draft'.






:)



Si.




____________________

' Mysterious Moose Mountain ' - 1:35n2 - pt.II
http://www.freerails.com/view_topic.php?id=7318&forum_id=17&page=1

' M:R:W Motor Speedway !!! ' - 1:32 Slotcar Racing Layout
http://www.slotforum.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=59295&st=0&a
Back To Top

 Posted: Wed May 9th, 2018 10:23 pm
  PMQuoteReply
6th Post
Daniel Beresford
Registered


Joined: Sun Sep 24th, 2017
Location: Chesterfield, United Kingdom
Posts: 126
Status: 
Offline
Yup, that's the first draft all right!

Okay, I'll try to respond to your points as you made them.

The coal unloading spur I'll play by ear.
There's probably about 9 feet of space to play with for it's run,
and I'm thinking to start the gradient transition immediately after the switch.
That way the warehouse will be on the grade too,
and I'll have to use a manual car stay to act as a brake to stop the cars rolling away,
which I believe has been done in reality when absolutely necessary.

This should both ease the grade and allow me to make it as steep as I absolutely have to,
when ensuring there's plenty of height for the coal drops.
If it comes to it, I can always put the drops into a pit,
and removing the "road to nowhere" should allow me to easy the track spacing between the coal spur and the main,
allowing me to fit a road between the two which could run down a ramp into the pit if needed.

The coal dealership building will be based on a set of plans from an issue of model railroader from the 1960's.
I started a version of the structure in N scale a few years back, and I've always wanted to revisit it.

Essentially, the track goes up the what would be second floor of a warehouse,
with the coal drops being on a trestle built out from the warehouse side.
The track on the trestle also serves the warehouse via some loading doors in the second floor of the warehouse,
and the whole structure - coal drops and all - are covered over by the warehouse roof.
I plan to make the roof a little higher than the plans and also fit a woodchip loading chute underneath the roof above the drops.

It's a very interesting building, and definitely one that begs to be modelled.
That way, not only does it have spots for bottom dump coal cars, but also boxcars and woodchip hoppers,
making that structure essentially three industries in one.

The traverser next...
As the layout is modular, and designed to be taken to shows,
the traverser would be removable from the "home" version of the layout,
and would form the 4th board on the right hand end of the section labelled as "Exhibitable Modules" on the plan.
As such, the traverser IS going to be scenic, but it will be done up as a 'slice' of yard tracks.
The tracks on the traverser will have correct track spacing, will be ballasted, the ground cover will be applied wherever ballast isn't.

In addition, if there's room there will also be a small crew shed and a 20' shipping container with a fuel pump and tank inside,
which would be used to refuel and sand the locomotives when not in use,
allowing us an "excuse" to have extra locomotives sitting off on one of the traverser tracks.

The idea is to have the mechanism hidden under the board,
and have the whole sheet of 9mm ply which forms the top of the board move left and right.

When at home, I'll not be able to use the tracks on the operators side of the traversor,
as the wall of the room will prevent it's movement all the way,
but I'll lay the track on the connecting scenic boards in such a way as to account for this. :)

The board depth for the bridge section is to account for the space required to have my workbench underneath it.
PB will be roughly at waist height when in my layout room,
as I will need to fit storage shelves as well as at least one deck of a HO scale layout above it.
The plan is eventually to have a two deck HO layout mounted on shelves above PB, if this is possible. :)

I was considering jacking in HO altogether to get a second deck of O scale in there instead,
but I like the idea of being able to run trains continuously around the room,
which I wouldn't be able to do in O due to the way the room narrows at the left hand side by the door.




____________________
-Dan
Back To Top

 Posted: Wed May 9th, 2018 10:42 pm
  PMQuoteReply
7th Post
Daniel Beresford
Registered


Joined: Sun Sep 24th, 2017
Location: Chesterfield, United Kingdom
Posts: 126
Status: 
Offline
Regarding the coal merchants, I found some photos of the N scale version.
Should give you a general idea of what I'm trying to describe.

Obviously I can't share the plans as they are from an issue of MRR.











____________________
-Dan
Back To Top

 Posted: Wed May 9th, 2018 11:12 pm
  PMQuoteReply
8th Post
Daniel Beresford
Registered


Joined: Sun Sep 24th, 2017
Location: Chesterfield, United Kingdom
Posts: 126
Status: 
Offline
Regarding the mixed road/rail bridge, this is kinda what I had in mind:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6Fwt0uKUnI



____________________
-Dan
Back To Top

 Posted: Thu May 10th, 2018 12:08 am
  PMQuoteReply
9th Post
Daniel Beresford
Registered


Joined: Sun Sep 24th, 2017
Location: Chesterfield, United Kingdom
Posts: 126
Status: 
Offline
Whilst cooking dinner I had a bash at a 3rd draft of the plan.
Things have been moved around and streamlined.

Mainly, the Autoparts loading area didn't need 2 spurs, so I removed a switch and a spur,
should give more space for scenery.

In some of said freed up space, I've moved the Southern Railway whistlestop style depot from the other side of the layout.
It should make passenger operations more interesting than just running a few feet off of the traverser and back again!







____________________
-Dan
Back To Top

 Posted: Wed May 16th, 2018 06:05 pm
  PMQuoteReply
10th Post
Si.
Moderator


Joined: Thu Feb 23rd, 2012
Location: London
Posts: 4288
Status: 
Online
" As the layout is modular, and designed to be taken to shows,
the traverser would be removable from the "home" version of the layout,
and would form the 4th board on the right hand end of the section labelled as "Exhibitable Modules" on the plan.
As such, the traverser IS going to be scenic, but it will be done up as a 'slice' of yard tracks.
The tracks on the traverser will have correct track spacing, will be ballasted, the ground cover will be applied wherever ballast isn't."


Hi Dan  :wave:



You know what Dan ...

... I realized that ^^ about the traverser, just as I Posted.

( see ... I am paying attention there at the back of the class !  ;) )



A good move I think, 'scenic-ing' it up a bit.

Staging tracks can sometimes be a wasted scenery potential to be grabbed.

I just love car-floats !  :bg:



Draft No.3 looks like an interesting update.  L:

No doubt there may well be a few more ideas & updates to come as well.

Nothing like a bit of 'tinkering' !  :shocked:



NICE ! coal drops model in 'N' scale ... For sure a bigger version will look good, modded for 'O' scale.  :cool:



:thumb:



Si.




____________________

' Mysterious Moose Mountain ' - 1:35n2 - pt.II
http://www.freerails.com/view_topic.php?id=7318&forum_id=17&page=1

' M:R:W Motor Speedway !!! ' - 1:32 Slotcar Racing Layout
http://www.slotforum.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=59295&st=0&a
Back To Top


 Current time is 02:47 am

Freerails > Model Railroad Forums > Track Planning > 'Piedmont Blues' - The Track Plan
Top



UltraBB 1.172 Copyright © 2007-2016 Data 1 Systems