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 Posted: Sat Sep 29th, 2018 06:04 am
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Tom Harbin wrote: And here was the plan with ME flex in the same area (notice how much more the track "flows"


In situations like that bottom left-hand turnout off the curve, it flows more smoothly and avoids creating a S-curve situation, 
to use a right-hand turnout at end of curve with diverging curve of turnout finishing the mainline curve and straight part of turnout going in to spur.





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On the one spur that branches off to two to the upper left, 
you might want to think about a crossover at the end for locomotives to escape in switching moves.




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 Posted: Sat Sep 29th, 2018 09:22 pm
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Kyle,

Apparently, I have accidentally  highjacked your thread. I'm sorry. 

I think you will be happier using the Bachmann EZ track for OO and when you are ready for the On30 layout please consider ME or Peco track. 
Many very good On30 layouts have been done with both. 
The Peco is probably closer to to Bachmann in geometry and everyone I know of that has used it is very happy with it. 
The ME turnouts have a reputation for being fussy although I have had no problems with mine, 
they installed easily and have not failed in 7 years of use. 

I only know of one On30 layout that is convincing that uses HO track, the Coast Line by Troels Kirk. 
I'm sure there are many more but I cannot recall them from memory. 
The issue is that tie spacing on a railroad is very closely tied to speed ratings and load ratings. 
Ties that close together would imply either very fast or very heavy trains neither of which is consistent with 30 inch gauge. 
Also there were more 30 inch gauge railroads than most of us realize, uncommon perhaps but not unknown. 
There was even one not to far from where I live in Arizona.

Once you try flex track you won't regret it and you won't go back other than possibly for planning.

Lee B and KitbashOn30, thank you for your input. 
I am actually starting to "expand" the layout in the track plan I provided. 
I was going to wait a while since I am a very slow modeler, 
but I will open a new thread here called "Expanding the Yellow Creek Western - On30".
and put a little history in so that you know why the current trackplan is the way it is and, more importantly, where I would like to take it.

Tom 



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" I have accidentally highjacked your thread "



Hi Tom  :wave:



I don't think you have at all !  :us:



The friendly folk around Freerails aint to worried about things like this in any case.  :)



Far from it ... You have added some  C :cool: :cool: L  stuff to the Threads discussion & shown great examples !!  :thumb:





Your photo shows very well the gentle & good looking lines possible with 'flex' track.  L:



It is maybe obvious to say, but sometimes forgotten ...  ???

... that the 'helecopter view' trackplan, is when finished, usually seen from a 'persons eye' view.



It's always a good idea to throw a few ideas around in any case ...

... since all sorts of interesting options will for sure come up in the process !  :bg:



I'm sure Kyles trackplan will be influenced by some of the advice here, which I guess is what he wants.

Whadayersay Kyle ?



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 Posted: Sun Sep 30th, 2018 03:03 am
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Hey there

I decided to do some editing, and due to monetary constraints at the moment, I decided to stick with DC and use power blocks for the 2 areas.
I do have the area separated in this image. 
I have areas I can use Terminal rerailers with, and have an excuse to use cars. 
The plan calls for a lot of things, but this is essentially my first layout, 
so this will be my experimental layout in a way, to test ways to do scenery and such. 

I got a general plan set up.


Dumb foam question: 
Does that spray insulation foam work for terrain building? 
Sounds like a way for more versatility in hills and such.







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 Posted: Sun Sep 30th, 2018 03:04 am
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Also forgot to mention I added the 2 yard areas for some possibility of operations with the black lines being backdrops between areas.



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Kyle,

I like the new plan a lot. When I try to run trains in my head it seems to work well although I don't have much operations experience so take what I say with a grain of salt.

Per your question about spray foam. I know it has been used, in fact I think Ken Paterson did a few small segments in his videos a few years back. I think the consensus is that it works but can be messy and expensive but it works fine and cuts easily.

Many years ago I tried a product called "Mountains in Minutes" it was a two part expanding foam product, I think Bragdon's Geodesic foam may be similar. It worked well but it was hard to control. A big warning, don't get that stuff on your carpet!!!!

I cut up pieces of XPS foam (the pink or blue stuff) and then either plaster bandage or ScultaMold over it. I find this very easy to control, and I don't have to replace the dining room carpet when I'm done.  

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I get a 10% discount on spray foam so it works amazing for me :glad:

I designed a small operation in the loop layout just so I can figure out more on what I like to do. I like loops because sometime you just want to sit back and enjoy some relaxation along with some operational potential. The real difficult part would be the backdrop in the middle of the layout. I figure I could find some cardboard and/or Canvas and either paint a backdrop or buy one pre-made.



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 Posted: Sun Sep 30th, 2018 05:29 am
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Kyle Moore wrote: I get a 10% discount on spray foam so it works amazing for me :glad:

I designed a small operation in the loop layout just so I can figure out more on what I like to do. I like loops because sometime you just want to sit back and enjoy some relaxation along with some operational potential. The real difficult part would be the backdrop in the middle of the layout. I figure I could find some cardboard and/or Canvas and either paint a backdrop or buy one pre-made.


That was very wise. When I want to do something other than watch the train there is little I can do. I used the short spur for a while as an engine service track but other than that and dropping some cars or picking up some cars in the staging yard nothing.

I need a loop as having the train running in the background can be very relaxing during a stressful day.

I've never built a backdrop and it scares me a little to think of trying so I guess I can't help there.

Tom

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Hi Kyle  :wave:



The switch at the bottom-right of the track plan, should be a left-handed one ...

... to avoid the 'S-Curve' you get, using the right-handed switch in the drawing.  :)



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