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 Posted: Wed Oct 3rd, 2018 12:31 am
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Tom Harbin
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KitbashOn30,

That is a great idea with the Thomas cars. 
I just purchased 11 Chiver's Finelines On30 14' cars. 
I already had one I built years ago (and finally painted). 
I didn't think ahead though and ordered them all with standard trucks.
I would like to have a few 4-wheel cars as well and that would be a great way to do it!

Also, I like the paint scheme on your Porter. 
Is that a Banta cab on it?

I have a bunch of Bachmann 18' cars but I figured the 14' cars save me an inch per car which means longer trains and more cars per siding. 
I also switched out the Bachmann 36' coaches for Mount Blue 22' coaches (only one built so far). 
Makes the loop seem less like a loop.

Tom

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 Posted: Sat Oct 6th, 2018 12:55 am
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Well here is one plan I am considering. 







It eliminates the small loop, replacing it with a large outer loop and moving the freight area inside the loop. 
I may make the outer loop smaller and move the freight area back to the outside as I really don't like having everything inside the loop. 
Disregard any little s-curves. 
I haven't tried to "get it right" as a plan but rather a concept.

I also need to work on the run-around on the freight siding as I want to have 9" or so between it and the "mainline".

I also may change part of the cut for the right hand of the loop into a tunnel through a hill. 
That depends a lot on testing my existing structures for fit.

The spur that goes nowhere just before the freight spurs will probably lead to a 9" turntable and some engine/caboose facilities.

The shorter inside spur may also end up shorter and acting as a spur for a yet-to-be-decided industry. 
Currently it is a team track. 
If I do change it I will add another spur for a team track to the freight area.

I am playing with a few more ideas but this one seems the best so far.

Tom

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 Posted: Sat Oct 6th, 2018 01:07 am
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The other main "concept" I am looking into is to scrap this layout and build a shelf layout of 119" x 30". 

That would actually fit the space better but since I require a continuous run, that would force me to use 12" curves, 
which relegates my 4-4-0s to the display shelf or a little chunk of goes nowhere on the layout while the Porters run the loop.

Tom


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 Posted: Sat Oct 6th, 2018 03:06 am
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Tom Harbin wrote: KitbashOn30,

Also, I like the paint scheme on your Porter. Is that a Banta cab on it?



Thanks! 

Is the stock cab with some paint experimentation.





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 Posted: Sat Oct 6th, 2018 03:11 am
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I don't recall whether you have said or not, and I don't feel good and am not going to look back through the thread
is there enough layout space available in a suitable room configuration to move that freight area to a shelf perpendicular to the oval, 
and thereby make the layout a sort-of "L" with one really fat part and one really skinny part?





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 Posted: Sat Oct 6th, 2018 03:35 am
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No there isn't but I think I see where you are going with that. 
I'm going to look at the other rooms again to see if that idea might fit one of them instead.

Hope you feel better.

Tom

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 Posted: Sun Oct 28th, 2018 01:05 am
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Well, I haven't made any real progress on the track plan yet but I have made a little progress on the planning-the-plan part. 
I add a couple of photos to keep it from being too dry, I hope.

Every time I get ready to scrap the existing layout either I or my wife get cold feet. 
We just plain like it for whatever reason. 
At the same time I want to move forward and have more operational potential. 
There is really no where else to put the layout and it is already too wide (about 45 inches) for the room's other uses.

As much as I like my 4-4-0s, I like critters even more and the space really needs to be 119" x 30" to not interfere with other activities. 
The 4-4-0 needs a 15" radius to be comfortable whereas my Porters and Davenport can use 9". 
That is obviously a much better fit for the space.

The current layout will be kept but not expanded, but possibly extended for the moment.
I am currently converting it to an old-southwest layout.







Here is a view of the main street as it stands.

I've stripped off all of the fences, ground clutter, plants, trees etc. and most of the talus.
I've filled but not sculptamolded the "skating rink" and laid out the basic idea for the town site.







I'm planning to bring the freight station inside the yard tracks to maintain the current footprint for the layout. 
We plan to take it back to the living room this Christmas season and use it as a "Southwestern Christmas Village". 
Then we will decide its fate. 

The unfinished (well they are all unfinished-but the one with no outer side walls, windows or doors yet) 
is a Stoney Creek Meat Market/Land Office and the red paper is the footprint for the Stoney Creek Bookstore. 







In the meantime, I am starting to plan out (in my head so far) the new layout. 
It may replace this one or connect to it. 
If it connects it will probably have to go on a second level as going around the room is just not possible. 
I'm planning either a point to point or point to loop (or possibly a loop to loop) 
mining layout with 9" minimum curves and 4% grades based very, very loosely on the Morenci Southern with a hint of Coronado. 

If I can figure out something that is not too ugly, I'd like to connect the mining scene to this layout via the outside staging yard track. 
If not, this layout will probably be scrapped as I don't really have someplace to store it during the non-Christmas season.

Thanks for looking,

Tom

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 Posted: Sat Nov 3rd, 2018 02:41 am
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Just a quick update.


Since I'm bored and I really like little, portable layouts, I'm designing a 2' x 4' On30 layout. 
9" minimum radius, #4 FastTrack turnouts, ME code 83 On30 track, 4% grades and only 3" vertical clearance. 
Motive power will be steam critters and Porters. 
Cars will be a Mount Blue 18' Combine and some Chiver's 14' cars or shorter.


The plan is not done yet. 
I want to add at least one escape track to a possible additional micro-size layout. 
That one would be triangular in shape and contain just a wye and maybe a building or two.

Here is the plan so far:







While I basically like it, it does have some issues (I would guess many really small layouts have issues)
The tracks are too close to the edges, I'll protect them somehow.
I don't have a good place to escape to the wye layout--if ever built; and I don't have a place for the ore cars to end up.

I should have labeled the plan but I'll try to explain. 
The lower depot is at the end of the stub siding near the trestle. 
The train backs in using the longer siding off the main. 
There will be another depot at the top of the loop just above the outside tunnel. 
The siding near the upper depot is on the mountain and leads to the mine.

I had planned to use the other lower siding for engine service or freight but it could be a smelter. 
The smelter could also be off layout if I build the wye.

Any comments?


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 Posted: Sat Nov 3rd, 2018 07:29 am
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It always makes me nervous when tracks come too close to the edge of the layout.  
Too much chance for a prized loco to take a nosedive.

You may be trying to fit too much track into the space available.  
Get some scrap cardboard and lay out your 2' x 4' space.  
Take a few track pieces and lay them out to get an idea how things look.  
Tape together a few buildings out of some scrap cardboard just to see how much real estate they take up. 


In many cases less is more.





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 Posted: Sat Nov 3rd, 2018 12:23 pm
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Hi Tom  :wave:



I have to agree with Michael ...  :old dude:

... not enough space at the edges of the benchwork makes me VERY NERVOUS !  :w:



I tried a while back, for a maximum track in 4' x 2' type of plan.  :shocked:

My scale is 1:35n2, but the track is still 16.5mm & some locos are 'upscaled' On30.

So my 2' gauge stuff is not really much bigger than a lot of 1:48 On30, except for any structures.  L:



I came up with this track plan, which I think is really pushing the limits for what is possible in 4' x 2'





The heights of the track on the SAVAGE GRADES involved are shown on the drawing in inches.  :shocked:

It might be that I could get away with slightly less 'loading gauge' clearance by 1" maybe.  L:

Track radius is drawn as 10" except for the switches, which are drawn as 24" radius.

The idea is for a mine on the left of the scene & some ore-bins on the right of the scene.  :mex:



It may or may not help you much Tom ?  ???

But I really couldn't pack much more in here, especially parallel tracks at different heights !

The space to the 'concrete canyon' of THE FLOOR is still only 2" in places as well.  :w:

Mmm .  .   .



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