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 Posted: Sat Nov 3rd, 2018 03:29 pm
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Si,

Didn't Woodie do a On20 layout some time back?  

Can't find the thread right now.

But I think it was about 3' x 5' in size, and had a passing track and one or two sidings.





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 Posted: Sat Nov 3rd, 2018 04:25 pm
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Michael and Si,

I like your track plan Si. Seems to be very aggressive grades there!

Unfortunately, I have to agree with both of you. 
The tracks that close to the edge make me nervous as well and will be almost impossible to scenic well.

I did mock up part of it last night and got out a Porter 0-4-2 and a Mount Blue coach (I haven't built the combine yet but they are the same size). 
Turns out the combo is a little longer than I thought (11") so the depot lead is 2" too short for the passenger train to clear the inside spur switch.

On top of that since it is a twice around my high point is only 16' above the canyon floor.
Might as well just toss the ore off the cliff. It looks silly.

What I really wanted was a very small loop to loop but could not figure a way to fit it in.
This layout needs to have a continuous run. 
I find that having a small train slowly puttering around a track is very relaxing, kind of like the effect of a nice salt water coral reef aquarium in the room.

Part of my current train of thought is to keep the original Yellow Creek Western as is with a few fixes and add a connector track to the outside world.

If I come up with a plan for this 2'x4' that works, it will also have a connector. 
Then I can build a wedge shaped mini that is just a wye and possibly a depot that the original layout and this one can connect to. 
Then the trains on the big layout (3.5'x6.5') with 15" curves can connect to a depot on the wye. 
Likewise the small layout (this one) would be able to also connect to the wye. 

That gives a transfer point for both railroads and a way to reverse a train for both,
but still allows me to take the main layout into the living room for the Christmas season,
and still have a small roundy-round in the office that could be taken out to the public.

I'm not planning on them being parts of a sectional layout and no real scenic blending,
just three layouts that I can connect together and that fit on one wall of my office.


Thank you both. Looks like 'm back to the drawing board, well computer screen.

Tom


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Michael,

This made me think. 
I could actually go as far as 3'x4' for the layout. 
I just had 2'x4' stuck in my head. 
The 4' though is an absolute maximum.


Tom

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There's no reason why you can't just keep your current layout...at least for the time being.

Add a couple of switches so that you can connect additional sections later.


Atlas had a shelf layout with a wye.  

As I recall it used three wye switches and 18" radius curves but was very compact and only took up a few square feet.





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Tom,

That's the one!  

Glad you found it.

I was thinking the layout was larger than 2' x 4', but maybe it just seemed that way.





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Michael,

Is this the one you are referring to  Gila Tramway ? 
I just happened across it. 
Great thread. 
Thanks. 

You are also right about the less is more. 
If I look at almost all of the layouts that make go WOW they have much less trackage than the average. 
They are also usually point to point although they may have a continuous run added for convenience.

Tom


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" I could actually go as far as 3'x4' for the layout. 

I just had 2'x4' stuck in my head "



Hi Tom  :wave:



I had 2' x 4'  " stuck in my head "  as well.  ;)

Probably because I didn't want the damn thing STUCK IN MY DOORWAY !  :f:



2' x 4' in my opinion, is just about the biggest 'sensible' chunk of benchwork that's practical.  L:

OK we can give & take & stretch that a bit if needed.  :P

But I need to be able to move a module, without extra hands help & not damage it or the scenery.  :f:



My doorways, as I'm sure many peoples are, measure a pretty standard 2' 6" wide.  L:

Also it is difficult & a pain in the neck & back ! to constantly have to reach much over 2' to scenic a wall fixed module.  :f:



I'm still tinkering with my 2' x 4'  SAVAGE GRADED  track plan.  L:

I may have to 'break the rules' & extend over the 2' x 4' sensible size !  :shocked:



I've got some more ramblings on 'grades' which will have to come ...   L   a   t   e   r   .    .     .      :slow:



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Si,

I have decided to stay with 2'x4' for this module.
It is really just something to play with in the office while the big layout is in the living room, and for all of the reasons you mentioned. 
I'll just simplify the trackplan considerably. 
I'm also going to use 3% and maybe one 2% grade as I have some WS risers laying around that need a good home.

I did cut the 1" foam to 2'x4' 
(one inch in pink with scoring or 1" blue with coved edges are all that is available without ordering bulk through a distributor up in Phoenix)
I also laid out the now defunct track plan on it to do a reality check. Not a pretty thing.

That said I will probably put building the 2x4 on hold until the end of November,
as I need to get enough of the main layout rebuilt to move it to the living room for the  Christmas season. 

I still want to get it planned out though. 
I'm thinking something closer to the Gilpin Tram or a few others I have seen in magazines and at carendt,com . 
 
I have a problem however, if I don't stay out of the "Narrow Gauge" forum I will never get anything done on either layout. 
I went there yesterday to see why a moose on a mountain was so mysterious and what all this talk about 35n2 was all about. 
I never even got to the Moose. 
I spent the entire morning lost on a charming French island which led me to the Mogollon (at least I was nearer home) which led me to Silver City and eventually the Gilpin. 

I was supposed to teach myself how to build a turnout yesterday, didn't happen.

I started to get out my track supplies and now I'm bogged down reading about bars that are owned by domestic animals.

Tom 

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Tom, Michael...the Gila Tram is doing fine. 
It's a 2 by 4 foot layout with 10" radius curves.
After I built it, a close friend got really ill and couldn't work on his HOn30 layout so I gave him the GT along with the little Shay and ore cars. 
He ran the train around and around every day and got to enjoy seeing a train run. 
After he passed, his wife wanted me to have the GT back so it has a place of honor in my little office where I watch the Shay and 0-4-4t run almost every day...around and around.
BTW, the Shay and Grandt Gilpin ore cars are over 20 years old and still operate flawlessly. Such memories...

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 Posted: Mon Nov 5th, 2018 10:52 pm
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Woodie,

You have really forced me to neglect my MRR duties. 
I spent many hours reading your threads on here instead of working on the railroad.
Actually, time very well spent. Thank you for sharing. 
Now if I can just keep from thinking about RC/battery control and 35n2 long enough to finish something in On30.

Still running after 20 years? 
If I remember correctly the Shay started out as a MDC HOn3 two-truck Shay didn't it? 
I always thought they were "problematic".

Your story about the Gilpin Tram is very touching.
I have been thinking about building something small for a friend that no longer has the time but loves trains. Just may do it.

Thanks,

Tom


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