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 Posted: Wed May 1st, 2019 11:28 pm
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What kills me is I live very close to a lot of these locations,
but missed them by many years (I moved to the area in 1998).

I now look at all the RR history that was around as late as the 80s,
and how I missed it all, and it annoys me.

But I missed steam due to my age.

Born in 1969, I never got to see steam running anywhere,
other than tourist operations and the rayon mill at Elizabethton TN
(they had a porter 0-6-0 fireless cooker than run until about 1990).

But I missed Rayonier and all that.
And like a fool, I never went chasing the Longview or Shelton operations,
and then they were both done.
POOF, just like that.




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 Posted: Thu May 2nd, 2019 06:47 pm
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Alan Sewell
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Lee

I know how frustrating in can be to miss out on things.

Luckily I am old enough to have seen steam on industrial railroads in the UK and in Europe in the 1960/70’s,
and I like diesels so that I have been happy to visit railroads around the world since steam declined.

However, there have been many things I missed such as real steam on the Cuban sugar mills,
and missed visiting steam in Java before the sugar industry there down sized.

Since I started getting interested in forest railroads in the early 1980’s,
I have been fortunate to make a few visits to North America,
but I did miss out on seeing Grisdale and the end of Rayonier when I had to cancel a planned trip.

I did however have the friendship of the late John Henderson who sent me photos and other information,
and encouraged my somewhat obsessive collecting of information- some of which has appeared on Freerails. 

I don’t like freelancing equipment or indeed operations, and need what I model to be rooted in the “normal”,
and that’s where information comes in, especially as much is “history” now.

Yes it is a shame you did not manage to chase things when you got to the PNW.
I made a trip in 1999 and saw some of the last woods ops on Simpson,
and also chased Weyerhaeuser up to Green Mountain mill.
Experiences that have stayed with me for a long time.

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Alan


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 Posted: Mon May 6th, 2019 05:57 pm
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I have been working diligently on the mill.

The current project is assembly of the Jack Slip. 
It has turned into a major project. 
The assembly is reasonably complex to begin with. 
Add in my ham-handedness, and it just takes awhile to get it done. 

The bents took quite a bit of time,
and mating them up with the beams was time consuming in a calendar sense.  
I had to glue them one at time.  

And then,  a sequencing issue I did not see coming. 
The plans call for the lower three bents to have a small angle sanded in them,
so the walkways snuggle down properly. 
This should be done BEFORE gluing the bents to the beams. 
There is no way to complete that sanding, with the bents in place,
without damaging the bents.  

I have repaired every single bent at least once.  Some more than once. 
The sequencing (sanding the angles after installing the bents)
may work in 1/48 scale, but not 1/87. 

I took a break to look ahead, which I do often,
to try and spot sequencing problems, as above,
and to make sure I understand how the parts are to go together. 
I looked at the Jack Slip House. 
Crap!  More windows!

I have been fussing over the logging operation engine house. 
I have been trying to decide whether to scratch build it or buy a kit.  
I settled on buying a kit and went for the Builders in Scale 2-stall engine house. 
It came.  Great looking kit, but it will be a lot work. 
It is billed as a laser kit.  Kind of.

Remember the old "craftsman" style kits? 
I think of Campbell with die cut walls, cast windows and doors,
and a bundle of strip wood for everything else. 
Well, this engine house kit is very similar, except the walls are laser cut instead of die cut.  
A bit of contrast to the B.T.S. lumber mill where absolutely every single part is laser cut. 

Having said that, it is a great looking kit and I am looking forward to working on it. 

I will start on it after I complete the log unloader associated with the mill,
which I will start after I finish the mill. 

I need those three pieces completed,
so I can figure out how I am going to arrange everything in my limited space.

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 Posted: Tue May 7th, 2019 04:13 pm
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Here is the slip jack:





It may look complete, but I am not satisfied. 
The most glaring error is that one of the bents
(look closely and you can see it)
is badly off center.  

The lower bents have to have an angle sanded in the top plate,
in order for the walkways to sit properly. 
The sequencing in the instructions has this sanding done,
after installing the bents to the main beams. 
It is very difficult to do that sanding without damaging the bents.

That one bent popped off while I was doing some of the sanding. 
I managed to glue it back on off-center and did not notice until the glue
(Titebond III, it is not coming loose) had dried.  

It seems to me it would be much easier to do that sanding,
prior to gluing the bents to the beams. 
Maybe even before gluing the top plates to the rest of the bent assembly.  

There are some other small problem, for most part only visible to me. 
I can live with those. 

I have emailed Bill Wade at B.T.S.
to see if I can get a new set of parts for the slip jack so I can try again. 
I just sent that email off, so no response yet.  

I don't really want to work on this assembly again. 
It will set me back about a month. 
But I am not happy with the current result. 
I can do better. 

Reg




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 Posted: Wed May 8th, 2019 05:44 pm
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Bill Wade says he can't give me any idea on the cost of replacing all the parts for the jack slip.

We are still communicating.  I have asked if it is feasible just to get the parts for one bent.

Baring all that, I just might try and scratch build a replacement and very carefully cut out the one bent that is truly awful.

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 Posted: Wed May 8th, 2019 06:43 pm
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Hi Reg

I am assuming it is the last bent up by the mill that's the problem,
or that is how it looks like to my possibly un-tutored eye.

It is a bummer if you can't get a replacement,
but I did wonder if you had thought to use strip wood,
and build a wider bent which would not be off centre.

As this is the "modern era" I imagine you can assume the bents are creosoted,
and paint them black to hide any differences.

When I made my jack slip I used the Keystone metal version as the basis,
and mounted this on metal (plastic) legs from I think a conveyor kit.
Since this is away at the back of the layout,
it does looks OK compared with prototype photos I used as the guide.

I may post a couple of photos in a day or two on my Diesel Logging thread. 
I have kitbashed/mingled a dry landing log deck for the mill,
so that I can do the 1980's onwards.
This has been built to fit over the jack slip.

My Company"history" says they constructed a barker house,
to handle smaller logs in the mid-1970's,
and modified this to handle logs dry sorted at the mill  from around 1980.

Still a bit of work to do on it but will show were I have got to.
Look out for the post and let me know.

Alan


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 Posted: Wed May 8th, 2019 07:32 pm
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Alan:

Actually, it is the third bent from the right. 
The slip is sitting at a slight angle on the cutting board,
which kind obscures the discrepancy. 
It is about an 1/8th of an inch off, which is really noticeable when viewed "live".  
How I missed that before the glue dried I don't know.

As today wears on and I have time to meditate,
I am strongly leaning towards scratch-building a replacement.  

If I can get the offending bent out,
while retaining part of the outside posts to establish angles,
and retaining all of the center posts to establish height, I should be good. 
I can use material from the parts sheets.  

Provided I can do that without damaging anything else on the assembly. 
The clearances are very tight. 

The big challenge will be separating the header from the walkways,
without damaging the walkways.
That would not be a disaster as the walkways are very simple to duplicate. 
I already had to do one.  
The part fell out of the sheet at some point. 
It should have remained in the box, but I can't find it. 

Reg




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"As today wears on and I have time to meditate"


I really don't think you will achieve World Peace -

leave it and it will be brilliant.




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 Posted: Fri May 10th, 2019 04:03 pm
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VICTORY!!

After spending a long and tedious evening,
I was able to get the offending bent removed,
without damaging it or anything else on the slip.

It involved a very small X-acto knife,
with a brand new blade sharpened on my oil stone,
and a great deal of very gentle patience.  

I figured I had nothing to lose by attempting to get the bent off in one piece. 
It was a simple process of very gently working the blade against each glue joint,
re-sharpening the blade on the oil stone every few strokes,
until the blade was all the way through each joint.

It was very time consuming and had to be done very gently,
in order to avoid damaging anything. 
These parts are very small in HO and any appreciable pressure breaks things. 
Clearances are tight, too. 

But I succeeded. 
Saved me 100 bucks and a good three weeks of work. 

My hat is off to Bill Wade at B.T.S.
who was willing to work with me, to get the parts I needed,
in the event I decided to start the jack slip over from the ground up. 
I think we are both glad it didn't come to that.

Reg




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Hi Reg  :wave:



Dunno about that 'wonky bent' ?  ???



The whole Mill is looking AWESOME !  :thumb:



It seems like with photos ...  L:

... they either 'hide' all ones sins ...

... OR magnify them !  :f:



Seeing as the trestle part of the Slip-Jack in HO is only 6" long ...

... that is some sooooper-fine micro work Reg !

No wonder those pesky lil NBWs are giving you nightmares !!  :shocked:



:dt: :dt: :dt: :dt: :dt:



Si.




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