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Very cool, those ore cars have the lines of the Ingoldsby cars. 
The only problem is I don't know how a drop bottom would work with truss rods. 
Sure like them though.

Here's a peek.http://nnry.com/history/httpdocs/Ingoldsby/gold1.htm






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Steven B wrote: Very cool, those ore cars have the lines of the Ingoldsby cars. 
The only problem is I don't know how a drop bottom would work with truss rods. 
Sure like them though.

Here's a peek.http://nnry.com/history/httpdocs/Ingoldsby/gold1.htm


Thanks for the link.

I also often wondered how they would have got the ore out of those cars. 

Have seen a prototype picture of a similar car with truss rods -

maybe they dumped the stuff through narrow doors between the outer and inner rods?




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Probably...the railroad (or whoever) hired some low paid dudes to SHOVEL OUT the ore or ballast or whatever.
Possibly there was a rotary dump operation involved...but I would bet on sweaty guys with shovels.
There wouldn't be room between the rods and besides, the rods would be apt to get bent, etc. when unloading that way.

Men & shovels...
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Exactly Woodie! 
Can you even imagine the damage to truss rods and the underside of the car supports... queen posts! 
Or the brake rigging that I see down there. 
I read an article in an RGS historical newsletter about an Italian immigrant,
who was paid to shovel cars of coal into the pocket at Vance Junction. 
A few bucks a car.  I forget just how much, but it was a pittance.  20-30 ton of coal. 
I was stunned at how little was paid in the 1920s - 30s.  Ugh!

The images in the articles about the Ingoldsby ore cars show cars with steel frames.
These were pretty early 1900s, developed for the C&S. 
Nevada Consolidated Copper was buying them circa 1907. 
Eventually these dump doors were welded closed when a rotary was installed at McGill. 

I don't know how well a wooden car would stand up to a rotary...
although I guess one was used in Monarch on the DRGW,
which is why the sides of their narrow gauge gons got pretty beat up.

The other problem with dump cars was when the ore froze in the car. 
It wouldn't dump.  It kind of hung up. 
Which is why there was a warming house in Blackhawk on the Gilpin. 
I can't recall if there was one in McGill, NV. 
I think one was added eventually, but am not entirely sure.
 
I do know that at times they would throw a stick of dynamite into the cars,
to break up the ore to dump it at the mill. 
The car department was not fond of this practice.
 
:td:

Thanks for hosting these thoughts Gerold. 
I hope that we are not hijacking your thread. 
I suspect that you are going to be running copper ore trains with your new motor. 
So maybe we are still on topic?

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Steven B wrote:
Thanks for hosting these thoughts Gerold. 
I hope that we are not hijacking your thread. 
I suspect that you are going to be running copper ore trains with your new motor. 
So maybe we are still on topic?
:w:


Oh,  I am glad to have triggered a discussion with my pictures.

That's what a forum is for! 


.... my idea is to have a brass mine on the layout .... 

a tongue in cheek operation, like the  Molasse Mine by AHM

Hoppers with raw brass will be hauled to the shops of the California Pacific for construction and repair of their equipment.... 

Don't tell anybody!  :)




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Molasses Mine?! 

What are you located on the Big Rock Candy Mountain?  :cool:

I would like a brass mine, as long as I don't have to mill it into locomotives. 

Do you think they are hard to cleve from the country rock?





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Steven B wrote:I would like a brass mine, as long as I don't have to mill it into locomotives.

Remember the cartoon in MR? 
Where an importer sold a bar of brass with the instructions " file away everything that doesn't look like a Mikado? "


And no, no serious digging, there are rich veins, you only have to shovel it in a wheelbarrow.




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They said that about California too.  :f:



Scrape the mountains clean my boys and drain the rivers dry,

a pocket full of rocks bring home, now brother don't you cry.



:old dude:



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