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Some time ago, I noticed a GE mining type steeplecab body at Shapeways.
Ordered one of them for inspection.

The designer had intended to put the body on an plain Athearn switcher chassis.
Tried this but found the medium sized switcher trucks unsatisfactory.
They didn't represent well the heavy articulated power trucks of the prototype.





So checked for alternatives.

Found some old Kleinbahn Be4/4 boxcab which looked better.
The weak point is that I had to sacrifice traction effort, with two powered axles only.

Those Kleinbahn boxcabs are strange contraptions;
they actually have an 1'Bo1' arrangement, with the idler trucks guiding the center power truck which is rather loose in the chassis. 






During tinkering with the body, the roof cracked in several places and had to be discarded.

Here at the test drive on the layout, Milwaukee steeplecab placed behind her for comparision. 
These are both serious machines, no trolley stuff.





Shaped a roof from sheet brass,
and soldered attachment points both for the standard pantograph and the two side current collectors to it.

Kennecott used side catenary in the pit to avoid getting in the way of the huge electric shovels which loaded the hoppers.
 









Painted her similar to Kennecotts motors, but chose to letter her for my own mining company.

Have fun, Gerold










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VERY cool. 

Kennecott actually used steeple cabs in McGill, NV. 
It was at the smelter, so there was nothing to get in the way. 
So you are not to far away. 

LOVE IT!

http://nnry.com/history/httpdocs/galleries/locos/kcc/electrics.jpg


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That is very cool!
As you stated, this ain't some trolley...Love them juice jacks.

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That's made up into a super loco Gerold and I do like the pantograph, very "technical" looking!

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Steven B wrote: VERY cool. 

Kennecott actually used steeple cabs in McGill, NV. 
It was at the smelter, so there was nothing to get in the way. 
So you are not to far away. 

http://nnry.com/history/httpdocs/galleries/locos/kcc/electrics.jp


Thanks for the link.

Kennecott apparently had a (small) operation in Ely...

Seems McGill was the location of the corresponding smelter.

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slateworks wrote: That's made up into a super loco Gerold and I do like the pantograph, very "technical" looking!

Doug,

This is only a plain old Walters pantograph, medium size; same as the ones I used on the Cal-P boxcab in my introduction.

I use them on most locos, the larger ones they sold are suitable only for a GG-1 and such heavy machinery, the smaller ones for trolleys.

Glad you all like my contraptions. [toast]

Gerold


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Gerold, that's correct. 
Actually the Ruth Pit was at one time the largest pit mine in the world, then of course the pit in Utah eclipsed it by a mile or 30 or 300.  :hyp:

The electrics were only used in McGill, NV at the smelter, to switch the ore cars. 
I believe the two motors in the picture were the only two. 
The one on the right sure looks a lot like yours in shape and appearance.  

The ore was hauled out of the pit by ugly little steamers 0-6-0Ts, marshaled at Ruth, then taken by big 2-8-0s to McGill,
never even really going to Ely itself, except for exchange in the Ore Yard. 
Ely was mostly the operation of the Nevada Northern, a separate operation while owned by the Kennecott people. 

This was done because industrial railroads had different rules than common carriers,
and Nevada Consolidated Copper (the forerunner of the Kennecott operation)
wanted to take full advantage of the lax laws for industry.

Later the ore was hauled out of the pit by GE 70 ton locos, soon replaced by a conveyor or lift for loading cars at the top. 
When tractors/dump trucks got big enough and powerful enough they switched out all rail,
and hauled the ore to reloads on the Nevada Northern ROW and the trains were hauled to the smelter by KCC RS2s primarily.

I just love your motor, you must build some Ingoldsby dump cars for it!  :)


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Hi Gerold  :wave:



Great lookin' loco you've made from that 3D-print.  :thumb:

A lot of work too, with finding the mech. new roof & all.

:boogie:

She really was worth the extra effort though.

A nice one to see alongside your Milwaukee steeple cab in the photo.  :)



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Steven B wrote: I just love your motor, you must build some Ingoldsby dump cars for it!  :)


Steven, 
Thanks for additional info.
Have a nice booklet about the Utah operations of Kennecott, but nothing about Ely/ Mc Gill.   

Have some ore cars already.... of course the real stuff... old Suydam kits, built up in various configurations.
Old man Suydam had sold plenty of weird stuff back then!  
These are the prototype cars built by Ed himself.
They differ in some small details from the production kits.
Purchased them from a person who collected some boxes of stuff from Ed's Attic long ago.











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Si. wrote:
A nice one to see alongside your Milwaukee steeple cab in the photo.  :)

Si, 
The Milwaukee steeplecab had a story of its own... deserves her own thread some day. 
Was a bent and VERY incomplete body from the "Big Brass Barrel" ...
worked for months on it,
now she rides on an Athearn switcher drive.


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Very cool, those ore cars have the lines of the Ingoldsby cars. 
The only problem is I don't know how a drop bottom would work with truss rods. 
Sure like them though.

Here's a peek.http://nnry.com/history/httpdocs/Ingoldsby/gold1.htm




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Steven B wrote: Very cool, those ore cars have the lines of the Ingoldsby cars. 
The only problem is I don't know how a drop bottom would work with truss rods. 
Sure like them though.

Here's a peek.http://nnry.com/history/httpdocs/Ingoldsby/gold1.htm


Thanks for the link.

I also often wondered how they would have got the ore out of those cars. 

Have seen a prototype picture of a similar car with truss rods -

maybe they dumped the stuff through narrow doors between the outer and inner rods?


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Probably...the railroad (or whoever) hired some low paid dudes to SHOVEL OUT the ore or ballast or whatever.
Possibly there was a rotary dump operation involved...but I would bet on sweaty guys with shovels.
There wouldn't be room between the rods and besides, the rods would be apt to get bent, etc. when unloading that way.

Men & shovels...
Woodie


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Exactly Woodie! 
Can you even imagine the damage to truss rods and the underside of the car supports... queen posts! 
Or the brake rigging that I see down there. 
I read an article in an RGS historical newsletter about an Italian immigrant,
who was paid to shovel cars of coal into the pocket at Vance Junction. 
A few bucks a car.  I forget just how much, but it was a pittance.  20-30 ton of coal. 
I was stunned at how little was paid in the 1920s - 30s.  Ugh!

The images in the articles about the Ingoldsby ore cars show cars with steel frames.
These were pretty early 1900s, developed for the C&S. 
Nevada Consolidated Copper was buying them circa 1907. 
Eventually these dump doors were welded closed when a rotary was installed at McGill. 

I don't know how well a wooden car would stand up to a rotary...
although I guess one was used in Monarch on the DRGW,
which is why the sides of their narrow gauge gons got pretty beat up.

The other problem with dump cars was when the ore froze in the car. 
It wouldn't dump.  It kind of hung up. 
Which is why there was a warming house in Blackhawk on the Gilpin. 
I can't recall if there was one in McGill, NV. 
I think one was added eventually, but am not entirely sure.
 
I do know that at times they would throw a stick of dynamite into the cars,
to break up the ore to dump it at the mill. 
The car department was not fond of this practice.
 
:td:

Thanks for hosting these thoughts Gerold. 
I hope that we are not hijacking your thread. 
I suspect that you are going to be running copper ore trains with your new motor. 
So maybe we are still on topic?

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Steven B wrote:
Thanks for hosting these thoughts Gerold. 
I hope that we are not hijacking your thread. 
I suspect that you are going to be running copper ore trains with your new motor. 
So maybe we are still on topic?
:w:


Oh,  I am glad to have triggered a discussion with my pictures.

That's what a forum is for! 


.... my idea is to have a brass mine on the layout .... 

a tongue in cheek operation, like the  Molasse Mine by AHM

Hoppers with raw brass will be hauled to the shops of the California Pacific for construction and repair of their equipment.... 

Don't tell anybody!  :)


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Molasses Mine?! 

What are you located on the Big Rock Candy Mountain?  :cool:

I would like a brass mine, as long as I don't have to mill it into locomotives. 

Do you think they are hard to cleve from the country rock?



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Steven B wrote:I would like a brass mine, as long as I don't have to mill it into locomotives.

Remember the cartoon in MR? 
Where an importer sold a bar of brass with the instructions " file away everything that doesn't look like a Mikado? "


And no, no serious digging, there are rich veins, you only have to shovel it in a wheelbarrow.


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They said that about California too.  :f:



Scrape the mountains clean my boys and drain the rivers dry,

a pocket full of rocks bring home, now brother don't you cry.



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