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Hi All

I am looking forward to sharing my Gn15 interest with you all. 

First, thanks to Larry G for putting some of my photos in his thread. 
I am working through learning the posting of photos and will add them to this thread as soon as possible.

My layout will be set in 1935 and based on the process of extracting glue from the heads of fish.
 
There really is such an industry (fish bladders, not heads, though)
and the movement of these fish parts to the small factory is the basis of my planned layout. 

Since the process exudes a rather unpleasant aroma, city officials have forced Mr Sorray Charles to place his facility a bit offshore.
 
Sorray's brother provides the fish heads as a by-product of his cannery;
nothing goes to waste and the bone heads are converted to bone meal. 
Everything, of course, needs to travel by small railway.
 
The final product, liquid fish head glue,
is pumped into tank cars and taken back to the mainland to be used by a Government facility and private manufacturers. 

Steam and small gas/diesel locos (a passion of Sorray's, he has as many engines as rolling stock!) do the pushing and pulling.

Thanks for reading.
Now to figure out this photo posting thing. 

Regards, Dave L.


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My layout will be set in 1935 and based on the process of extracting glue from the heads of fish.
 




Since the process exudes a rather unpleasant aroma, city officials have forced Mr Sorray Charles to place his facility a bit offshore.


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Steam and small gas/diesel locos

(a passion of Sorray's, he has as many engines as rolling stock!)

do the pushing and pulling.





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Company crane





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The RED BARRONS ! ... All THREE of them !!!





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A pleasant excursion around the harbor ... If you like the smell of Fish-Glue ! ?





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Hey Dave,

I see photos in your new thread.

Did you master the photo posting or copy and paste them from my thread?

Larry G


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Hi David  :wave:



Here at Freerails ... we have amazing WIZ-BANG !  computeeer wizerdry to beat the BEST of 'em !



So ...

... I Posted some of your pix to your starter Thread, to get the wheels rollin' !  :thumb:



Since they are Posted under 'your own Name' ...

... the Post can be EDITED by you, simply by CLICKING on the EDIT Button displayed with the Post.



GO ON ! ...

... Please tell us MORE ! ...

... about how the sophisticated Ladies on the harbor excursion, apply cloths-pegs to their hooters !  ;)



Do try out all the Photo Posting advice, it really is easy ...

... & no compoooter boffinery is needed !  :brill:



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Larry, I did not do that.

Some kind soul must have done it. Whoever-thanks. Oh, I see it was Si.  Thank you. 

I am still working on posting photos.  I have a sizing problem I have to solve. 

Regards,  Dave L.


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Hi Dave, what are the dimensions of your track plan?

Also, what is the min radius of the curves?

You have included a lot of potential operation in a relatively small space.

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Larry, I think it was designed for a 3x6 foot area.

Sorry I can't recall the curve's radius, but probably twelve inches is close.
I make the curves fit the area so it is always the largest curve that will fit.
I've been known to vary the radius in a single curve, too.

Regards, Dave L.


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You have a very nice stable of locos there. 

Would be nice to find some space on your layout where you could display the whole fleet.

Any thought given to including a run around track in your plan?



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oh, nice stuff.

Love it.



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L: There's something "Fishy" going on here :bg:

Please keep the good stuff coming.

I'll be watching from upwind :P



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David

Years ago I built a model of the North Pacific Cannery for the local MRR layout.
The diorama was 30 Inchs by 6 feet, the length of the box of my truck.

When the plant was making fish meal, you could not smell the Pulp mill I worked in at the time,
which was perhaps 3/4 of a mile from the cannery.

If you google "North Pacific Cannery Museum",
there are 134 photos of the site, interior and exterior on their web page.

Not been back to Prince Rupert for years to see how My model has stood the test of time.
Do have a few photos of construction and also located on the layout.


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Hello, here is an attempt to post a photo. 

Bear with me, please. 

Thanks, Dave L.


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Still trying to post a photo. 

Here is my first Fish Head Glue layout. 

Thanks, for looking. 

Dave L.


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Wonderful little lokies indeed! I am a "steam" nut but I do have a "dismal" in the roster.
How about some pix of the steamers. We all love photos.

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When I design a layout, I like to lay it out full size. 

Here is one underway. 

Thanks for looking, Dave L.


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OK, here is one of my steamers pulling a string of Bachmann ore cars. 

Thanks for looking, Dave L.


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Hi All, I think I have been getting photos down, so let me try one more. 

I like imagining what a Gn15 engine would look like, so I take a drawing and "enhance" it.
Here is what I call a "doodle". 

Thanks for looking, Dave L.


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In my industry fish glue is shipped out in tank cars.

The company has a few. 

Regards, Dave L.


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Here is the plan for the "Charles Fish Head Glue Company" layout as of now. 
It will be three by six feet and will use a two inch foam base (for rigidity). 

Regards, Dave L.


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Nice little stable of Porter lookalikes David and I love their slight air of whimsy.

I'm most jealous!



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Looks like you have picture posting under control Dave, good going.
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Mr. Sorray Charles doesn't often have a photo taken,

but here he is in his favorite loco. 

Regards, Dave L.


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Just practicing posting photos. 

Thanks for looking. 

Dave L.


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We all know that our hobby opens avenues to other interests. 
Gn15, being 1/24 scale for me, lets me incorporate another interest, model vehicles.
 
Some of my early models are too new for my 1935 era layout,
but I now concentrate on cars and trucks from the 1920s and early 1930s. 
Here are a few of my models. 

Thanks for looking, Dave L.


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Fish Head layout #2 that never was finished. 
It was two by eight feet and made to come apart in the middle. 
I lost that beautiful layout room when my son moved back in with us. 

Thanks for looking, Dave L.


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One day I came across my Athearn Hustler from many decades ago and wondered what it would look like as a Gn15 critter. 
I picked up another at a train show and this is what happened. 

Thanks for looking, Dave L.


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Here is my total loco roaster at this time. 
I have a few projects in mind, and another loco on permanent loan to a friend. 

Regards, Dave L.


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My loco on permanent loan to my friend Jon. 

Regards, Dave L.


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Ken, I checkrd out their site.
Great photos there.

Thanks, Dave L.



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My models are built or kitbashed from kits or diecast metal banks.
Paint and/or dullcoat can make a toy look pretty good.
I could post some photos if there is any interest.

Regards, Dave L.


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Here is one of those awful banks repainted, ready for the layout. Thanks for looking. Dave L.

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Here is one of those banks painted and ready for the layout.  Thanks for looking.  Dave L.

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A truck bank painted.  Regards, Dave L.

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Another "hobby within a hobby" is my collecting signs snipped from magazines and other publications for use on buildings. 
I started thirty years ago and now have eight three-ring binders full of them from all eras 1900-1950. 
Here is a page as example. 

Regards, Dave L.


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Some of my Gn15 engines. They are  scratch built on HO chassis. 

Thanks for looking. Dave L.


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Here are some of my diesels. 

Regards, Dave L.


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As said on another thread Dave, the Porter lookalikes are most appealing and with a slight air of whimsy.

If you did a photographic spread on one of the builds that would be interesting.


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Thanks, Doug.

I am hoping to show work on any new projects here on the forum.
It has been a while since I started anything new, and I need to get back to modeling again.

Regards, Dave L.

PS We have friends that used to live in your city; they are now down in Dorset.


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Dorset - nice county where we often go for summer holidays!



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Jolly good show Doug ! ... and LASHINGS OF GINGER BEER ! !



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The Charles Fish Head Glue Co. decided it needed heavier power,

and had its shop begin work on its ninth loco.





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Work on the chassis was next.  The foreman prefers old Athearn units.

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The superstructure comes next: trial fit of the hood.

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Hood details often are changed around.  Dave L.

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Another view,  Dave L.

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Out of the paint shop.  Dave L.

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Another view.  Thanks for looking, Dave L.

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Number nine trial run. 





Thanks for looking. 

Regards, Dave L.






























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Very neat.




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David Laughery wrote: The foreman prefers old Athearn units.

They are sturdy and reliable good runners.



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Quite nice roster of motive power. That layout plan with boats on both ends looks good too.

Dang, might have to get my Gn15 back out and active!




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Old Athearn units are getting harder to find at train shows.



I've used some of the Bachmann DCC/DC engines but they have not held up well.



The Athearn engines are sturdy and reliable, as Forrest said.



Regards, Dave L.





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Which Athearn locos do you like to use?




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Number nine was a GP9, and any smaller switchers I see are good candidates for a loco.

Thanks for asking.

Regards, Dave L.



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This used an Athearn SW chassis. 

It is a great runner and the engine I go to for "Playing trains." 

I have since changed that funky headlight. 

Regards, Dave L.


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I am working or a little crane car for the layout. 

I like using Bachmann On30 cars as starting points.  
This was a caboose chassis with craft sticks glued for the deck. 
The crane part was from a toy tow truck and still needs a few parts added and final painting. 

The chain was "borrowed" from my wife's jewelry making supplies. 
If you need chain for your projects check Amazon for chain.   
All sizes and types are very inexpensive. 

Thanks for looking. 
Dave L.


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Old magazines from flea markets are a great source of vintage signs.  Dave L.

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A page from a "Street Rodder" magazine gave me the gauge faces for my Gn15 engine cabs. 
I cover the gauge panels with clear styrene to simulate glass. 

Thanks for looking. 

Dave L.


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I will file your gauges idea away for future use. 
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Very effective technique. 

I have done the same although I used a drop of epoxy to simulate the gauge glass.


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Nicely done, Bob.

I sent a PM. Hope you get it OK.

Regards, Dave L.


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My first attempts at gauge faces were done freehand, but I was not really happy. 

I now use the image from the magazine. 

Here is a first attempt. 

Regards, Dave L.


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One of the necessary ingredients for processing fish head glue is boric acid. 
The Charles Fish Head Glue Co. has it shipped in a designated tank car made just for this.
It is painted red so as not to be confused with the company's silver glue tanks. 

Thanks for looking. 
Regards, Dave L.


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Hi All, in the next few days I'll take a piece of 3x6 paper and work out the final track plan for the new S. Charles Fish Head Glue Co. layout. 
My usual practice after "doodling" a plan is to lay it out full size using actual turnouts. 
In this and the next post I'll share my two choices and try to make a decision. 

Thanks for looking,
Dave L.


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Here is the second choice.  Regards, Dave L.

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Dave, I like the second plan best.

I would suggest creating a passing siding behind the Ship Stores building so you could serve facing point and trailing point sideings.

Larry G


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Agree with Larry n passing siding.  It would increase operational flexibility. 

Love the water fronts and would suggest the idea with boats.  They really add to the charm. 
Water also adds a great deal of interest to the scene. 

Pix is of a boat I built a few years back on one of my display layouts.


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Water

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Bob, I like boats, too, and hope to have a few on the layout.
I am partial to lake steamers.

Explain a little about your water technique, if you would.

Regards, Dave L.


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Sorry, guys, I am not sure where to put that passing siding.

Any way you could copy my plan and put it in?

Regards, Dave L.


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OK, I did figure it out. I'll be putting up my latest plan. Thanks, Dave L.

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Here is where I am with the new Fish Head Glue Co. layout.

Next step is to draw it out full size. 

Thanks for looking, Dave L.


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There will be a huge Gn15 convention and show this Spring,
with over two hundred working Gn15 layouts and a thousand vendors selling Gn15 models, parts, and fittings.

Oh WAIT!! That was a dream I had last night. Sorry.

Regards, Dave L.

PS Are there any Gn15 modelers out there besides Larry G. and Bob R. and me  ??? ?


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Dave, your dream must have been fun, until you woke up, then, disappointment.

Your updated layout plan should be a lot of fun to build and operate, I like it.

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David Laughery wrote: PS Are there any Gn15 modelers out there besides Larry G. and Bob R. and me  ??? ?

An on again off again Gn15 modeler.

https://flic.kr/s/aHsiYQ2vbR

and

https://flic.kr/s/aHsjfFNaPD

 
My Gn15 projects have been in stasis for several years while I returned to HO,
so I could participate in a new model RR club,
which formed in our little county seat farm burg several years ago.

I was the only person who did On30 and the only person who even knew what Gn15 is.


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Kitbash, like you, I am apparently the only person in western South Dakota who models in Gn15.
Most of those who have seen my layout, struggle to understand exactly what is Gn15.

BTW, your large scale modeling is very good.
Could you please post a couple shots of the loco shown in your photos?

Larry G


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OK, that makes FOUR of us.

That's a very nice BIG building, Forrest.

Let's get you back to Gn15 and put that silly little HO stuff away for a while.

Regards, Dave


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I guess we all think about what if we had unlimited space and funds to make a layout.

Since I've had the sorry task of dismantling many layouts over the years, my own and others,
I am a strong supporter of layouts that come apart easily and can be moved or go to new owners. 

My S. Charles Fish Head Co. layout would be a segment of such a layout. 

Here is my "doodle" of the result. 

Thanks for looking, Dave L.


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Since my layout is on the water there has to be a boat yard or facility to service boats.

"Bruggeman Boats" was on my N scale layout and there will a Gn15 equivalent on the Fish Head Glue Co. layout. 

Thanks for looking, regards, Dave L.


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This might end up on the layout if I can figure out how to get it under my bandsaw to make a waterline model. 

That's Captain Andy and the crew aboard the "Jerri Ann" fishing boat. 

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This might end up on the layout if I can figure out how to get it under my bandsaw to make a waterline model.

I would make a "bed" to lay the ship on the side
(maybe a bag of lead shot resting on something slippery so it wouldn't jam on the band saw table)
and chop it.

Add a little of tilt so it will not rest straight on the water.

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That from the N would make a nice scene in G.

Boats and trains somehow go together it seems.
 
The intent if I ever have a Gn15 home layout (messy health is getting in the way of that)
is to have an interchange with canal boats of the UK narrowboat flavor -
narrow gauge, narrow boats, it fits!


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Jose, that's a good idea.

The tilt Is not hard; I can't cut a straight line on that saw at all.

Regards, Dave L.


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One of my projects underway is constructing wooden tanks for the storage of fish head glue until it is pumped into tank cars for shipment.
 
I use Aleene's tacky glue to glue craft sticks to tin cans. 
I cut them to length after gluing the sticks by a quick touch to a disc sander. 
I need to finish them by making tops with hatches and bands around the sides. 

Thanks for looking. 
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I like to scan the tables at train show for buildings in all scales.
 
Many buildings can be used in another scale, usually with little or even no changes. 
Here an Atlas HO water tank fits nicely on my Gn15 layout with just a new support under the tank and a few scratch fittings. 

Regards, Dave L.


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Dave, I am using figures from three different scales to create a forced perspective situation.

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Larry, that is probably easier to do on a large layout.

On my small 3x6 layout the difference in size would be very noticeable.

I  even don't like the size difference of 1/24 and 1/25 scale vehicles when side by side,

although at opposite ends of the layout it seems OK.

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Dave, I have set up figures from all three scales to see if my thinking is going to workout.

If I limit the viewing angle to just one position, no side views,
I think I can make the forced persecutive idea work.

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Larry,

keeping in mind that humans come in different sizes, it should work pretty well.

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As long as they have the right basic dimensions (door height, floor to ceiling height, etc) they should be fine.

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... What should I say... Great!!!

GN15 - hammer!


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Over the years while starting and stopping the Fish Head Glue layouts I've doodled numerous themed layouts. 

Here is the Charles Guano Co.
 
An island with large rock formations is the home of a prolific colony of guano producing bats (or maybe sea birds-not sure).

Sorray Charles, seeing an opportunity,
built a little railroad to extract the guano and get it to the dock where it is shipped on boats to the mainland for processing. 

It is a minimal operation. 

Thanks for looking. 

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I like the idea of a tramway operation on an island.

If I had more room, I would have located my Appetite layout on a group of islands in Lake Superior.
The geology on the Minnesota side near the Canadian border is very rugged.
The plan was to have only one island with suitable conditions for docking boats.
All other islands would be reached by bridges between islands.

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Larry, boats, islands, and railways- a great combination.

If I had the space, I would add a small airfield on this island. 

Civilian aviation of the 1920s is another interest of mine.  

Regards, Dave L.


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A interesting book covering a railway around St Kitts Island "The St. Kitts Railway",
about a Sugar Cane operation on the Island,
lots of photos and track layout.

Pub Locomotive International Publication
by Jim Horsford in 2004

ISBN 1-900340-18-6


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Thanks for the heads up on that book, Ken.

I did check and Amazon has it available used, but it is a little expensive.

Regards, Dave L.


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As a side note, the air strip for St. Kitts is next to the sugar mill yards.

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Here is another little layout concept. 

The poor little church in the valley could not afford to buy adjacent land for their grave yard,
but a large, cheap parcel was available on the bluff overlooking the church. 

Being frugal, the church elders purchased the land and figured that the only way to reach it was a small railway. 

The way up was a long and gentle grade so that coffins would not slide off the coffin car,
but coming down was a lot shorter and a lot less gentle
(the locomotive brakes could help slow the funeral train.) 

The engineer/fireman/grave stone maker had a small business next to the church. 

Since there were pine trees on that bluff,
the railway came to be know as the "Rest in the Pines" RR. 

Once a new coffin car arrives it will be lettered "RIP RR". 

Thanks for looking. 
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There seems to be no end to cool concepts for a minimum gauge railway.

Hauling trash to some distant landfill might be another concept to explore.

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Hauling trash to some distant landfill

Don't put crazy ideas where my wife may see them...

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Here's the concept for the RIP RR funeral car. 

A hearse body mounted to the flat car will add a little more protection for the deceased's coffin on the trip up to the final resting place. 

Regards, Dave L.


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Hi David,

I really like the way your railroad ideas evolve. 

I have been traveling down a similar path with my Von Leipnik Interplanetary Transport Co.

Located on a small island in Lake Superior, the company site includes
a machine shop / manufacturing facility, library, laboratory, astronomical observatory,
as well as a hand-full of other structures.

Regards

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Thanks, Marty.

Islands always seemed to be an ideal situation for industry, cargo in and out, and a railroad to move it all about.
As I think about it, in a large model railroad room a series of small layouts on islands would be fun to build.
Lots of boats and trestles over water to connect them.

I think Larry G. mentioned this concept, too.

Can you post any photos of your railroad?
I would be very interested to see what you are doing.

Regards, Dave L.


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I am getting ready to start work on the latest "Charles Fish Head Glue Co," layout.
 

I've finalized the plan (doodle) for the layout and rolled out some paper to see if it works in real size. 

I copy my turnouts on the copier and use them in the trial placement as I draw it all out.

My first impression is that I am going to need more than the 3x6 feet drawn on my doodle.

I am thinking that I will need closer to 4x7 feet.
 
 
Thanks for looking. 

Regards, Dave L.


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Hi David,

I started a thread on my railroad. 
I meant for it to go in this section but it ended up in the large scale area by mistake.
Hopefully they can move it over to here.

Regards, Marty


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Hi Marty,

I took a look at your thread and really like your work.
Is it large scale or maybe 7/8?
You should definitely share your expertise with plaster with us.

Thanks, Dave L.


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Dave, 4x7 is getting big, do you have the room for that size? It would be great if you do. Room for all your fine models.


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Larry, if I were to get my downstairs room back from my son the 4x7 would be no problem.
The room is 20x40 feet.
Presently all I can do is plot, plan, and doodle; and build models to use on it someday.
My list of projects is prodigious!

I like what you are doing on your expansion.
Keep those photos coming.

Regards, Dave L.


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Hi Dave,

My railroad is 7/8th scale. 
Will post some more photos of the plaster work.
Keep your designs coming - 4x7 will give your ships some room.

Cheers Marty


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Thanks, Marty. 

I once dabbled in 7/8 scale, but the room requirements were enormous.   
I had four cars and a caboose to go with it. 
They are all gone now, and I am happy in Gn15. 

Regards, Dave L.


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When I first got interested in Gn15 I started to keep a notebook of photos, articles,
and anything that interested me and could be used on my layout. 

Fifteen years later I have filled a three inch 3-ring binder almost to capacity.

General categories include locos and rolling stock, structures, scenery, layout scenes and plans, nautical subjects, aviation,
and just about anything else I think is unusual or just interesting.

I bet a lot of you do the same, too. 
Here is my notebook. 

Thanks for looking. 

Regards, Dave L.


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Finding sources for bits and fittings for my Gn15 engines is always a problem. 

One day at a train show I came upon a dealer,
who specialized in reproduction parts for Lionel, Ives, and American Flyer toy trains. 

To my delight I found these headlights which fit very well on my Gn15 engines. 
If you come across such a dealer check what he's got. 

I was able to replace the large plumbing fittings I was using as headlights,
with the Lionel one.

Thanks for looking. 

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Dave,

I know what you're talking about, 1/24 detail parts are hard to find.

The model car hobby has a selection that has some things.

Also, the dollhouse hobby has some stuff too.

Mostly 1/12 scale, with 1/24 being much less.

LG


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I've used a lot of Ozark Miniatures stuff, but they are getting hard to find at train shows.

Shipping costs make it expensive to buy on line, too. 

Regards, Dave L.



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I am waiting for some things from Ozark.

They sent a e/mail saying my stuff was being sipped almost two weeks ago. 

I think Ozark is a mom and pop type operation.

LG



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So I had this Athearn GP9 packed away and wondered if it could find a place on the Gn15 roster...

So I doodled the idea. 

Dave L.


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I got as far as this, but later decided to just use the chassis for #9. 

Thanks for looking. 

Regards, Dave L.


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I see two yellow cabs in your photo, who makes these?

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Larry, Model Die Casting made them years ago and sold them in a kit called " Hustler", I think. I only had two, and I wish I had a dozen of these cabs. Regards, Dave L.






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Hi David


The huge long link in the last Post is a bit much as it can cause the whole Page width to go crazy


There is a simple function button in the Main Reply Window to deal with links and label them

It is the World Globe With Chain Link in front of it top row third from right


Using it allows your link to be pasted into the first popup box

After clicking on OK the second popup box allows you to appropriately name your link as you wish

After that clicking OK again takes you back to the Main Reply Window

The link now suitably named by you will have appeared where your cursor was when you clicked on the link icon


Have a go at editing the Post using the Link Button it is very easy to do and saves me doing it


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I'll try to figure that out the next time I have a link. I'm sorry, but I don't see that icon you mention.  Thanks, Dave L.

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Hi David


It is very simple for you to use the EDIT Post button

Then simply click on the World Globe With Chain Link icon


It virtually does all of the work for you

It really is that quick and easy to do


Id recommend having a go at that problem link on the last Page

Otherwise how does one know how to do it for the next link ?


No time like the present as they say


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I've put that link in the box, but it does not go to the edited post.  Dave L.

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Hi David


OK so you found the World Globe With Chain Link icon top row third from right


Then you "put that link in the box"

Im guessing you then pushed the OK Button & got a 2nd box ?


The 2nd Box lets you name the link as anything you wish

No pasting of anything in is needed with the 2nd Box just a name you have thought of


After typing your name into the 2nd Box & pushing the OK Button it should be done

The link now labelled nicely however you chose is beautifully displayed in your Reply Window


Or at least it should be

I cant imagine much going wrong


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I keep getting error statements.
I load the link and hit OK and the link flashes for a split second and then the error statement comes up.
I'll try again some time with a different link.

This is so consistent with my computer results.
Thanks for trying, anyway.

Regards, Dave L.

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David

Had to look twice at the cabs you use for your motive power,
then realized they were the MDC Big Hustler cabs from 1992.

Have a couple in my odds and ends collection 1 powered 1 dummy, no wheels.



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Ken, you are correct.

I tried to post a link to a photo of the kits, but was not successful as you can see from the above.

They were nice kits, and I only had two.

I wish I had a few more.

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Today I took my layout plan and marked grids for a 3x5 foot application and a 4x6 foot one, as well. 

I am leaning towards the 4x6 and will know for sure once I go back to the large paper and copied turnouts and try it out full size. 

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Over the years I've made radius patterns to help with laying out layout designs full size. 

My "collection" ranges from ten inch to twenty-two inch radius patterns. 

Sometimes my curves have two or more radii. 

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The Fish Head Glue Co. has only one piece of rolling stock that can "comfortably" carry folks. 

It started as a Bachmann On30 passenger car and uses a modified chassis and roof. 

No scenic tours of the facility are planned, but sometimes a few folks must be transported.

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Here is the underside of the car. 

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Hey Dave, did you use HO passenger car trucks under this car?

I still haven't ordered benches for a passenger car or two of my own, need to get cracken.

I don't see how you attached the trucks to the car.

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Larry, those are the trucks that came on the On30 car.

As I recollect they snap into the chassis.

I think Bachmann uses screws to attach the trucks now; replacement trucks I have on hand are screwed into a chassis.

I checked the trucks I have and they have a post that comes up through the chassis and a screw from the top holds them on. 

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WOW, I love the looks of your touring coach!





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Thanks, Lee.

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While recovering from health issues, and with work on the new Charles Fish Head Glue Co. layout on hold,
I thought I would share some things on my project list. 

Here is the beginning of a small string of ore cars, based on Bachmann ore cars. 
I've removed the small details and painted with "Flat Gull Gray" paint by Model Master. 
I have four of the little cars as of now, but hope to find more at a train show. 

Thanks for looking,

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Dave, get well soon so you can enjoy what makes you happy - Gn15.

The Bachmann cars will make into a fine train.

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Thanks, Larry.

One of the great things about Gn15 is the adaptability of inexpensive HO equipment.

I find cheap, used HO stuff at train shows to use in my projects.

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I am always looking for bits and pieces to use with my Gn15 models. 
Any used up piece of equipment like old phones, small appliances, and electronic stuff,
when taken apart, will yield all sorts of useful little bits. 

A case in point was the neat "plumbing" parts for a future factory procured after my visit to the hospital. 
The nurses were amused with my request to keep all the IV parts,
but they will be part of the detail in my glue factory. 

Keep looking for useful stuff! 

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I save every little bit of "detail" I find.
Be it plastic, wood or something else.

Also, check out hardware stores and other unlikely venues,
never know what might catch your eye.

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A while ago I noticed a small plastic bonsai tree at a local garden center. 
A quick check on Amazon found this one for a whopping $1.34 plus $2.00 shipping. 
I think with a little work and gluing some scenic material on the leaves I'll have a nice tree for the layout. 

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Anytime someone is repurposing something from somewhere else you get my attention.
And of course the less money spent the better.

I like your HO ore car rebuilds.
I am planning something similar with some old Tyco cars, just have to find them cheap enough.

The tree should look great with added scenics for leaves.


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Hi all,
and wandering through a dressmaking shop can be inspirational - beads and press studs for valve handles,
headed pins with differing size heads for everything from rivets to operating levers for brake valves/infernal combustion throttles etc,
various thickness threads for shunting ropes, soft beading wire for small pipes/handrails etc - you get the idea..


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I was delighted last night when a visiting friend gifted me another Bachmann ore car for my ore car train. 
BUT, I was not too happy to notice that Bachmann is now body-mounting the couplers. 
I am not sure how to make this car work on my tight curves. 
I think anyone else using HO cars on tight curves examine how the couplers are mounted.

Regards, Dave L.

A removal of the truck on the new car shows that Bachmann had totally changed the underframe casting. 
I will have to find trucks with couplers attached.


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Hi Dave,

Look under Kadee "Metal Fully Sprung Equalized Trucks With Whisker® Couplers" trucks at

https://www.kadee.com/htmbord/truck.htm

for relevant part #'s.


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Thanks, John.

I'll eyeball a set at the next rain show.

Looks like #502 will work.

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Hi All,

Here is a photo showing the truck on the Bachmann ore car. 

You can see that the hole in the truck for the mounting screw is rather large,
and a replacement truck will need enough area to enlarge a mounting hole to fit over the Bachmann lug. 

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While I'm off my feet I am looking over projects waiting to be completed. 

Here I've converted some cheap ($1.00 train show finds) gons. into Gn15 rolling stock.
 
I've widened the bodies a smidgeon by adding strips along the bottoms,
and sourced some Bachmann On30 trucks to go on them. 

On these cars I'll body mount the couplers,
and see how they work on my twelve inch radius curves on the new Fish Head Glue layout. 

I've actually run Bachmann cars with body mounts OK on previous layouts. 

Regards, Dave L.


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Dave, another HO car you might consider is an iron ore car.
They are short so will go around tight curves.

Remove the molded on HO details and simplify the bracing,
and you have a credible Gn15 car.

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Larry, I actually have a stash of ore cars for that exact purpose.
I can't recall the brand.

I also have my string of Varney ore cars from the 1950s,
when I was just starting out in model trains.

There are so many possible conversions of HO to Gn15.
I'll post another photo of one I did.

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Here is a photo of an old-time tank car frame the Charles Co. uses to carry pipe or pilings.

Not much adapting was needed. 

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Dave,

Is that an old Roundhouse tank car? 

I think those are Fox trucks. 

Would like to get a couple of pairs of those.


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Michael, I think you are correct that it was an old Roundhouse tank car, and the trucks are Fox trucks.
Over the years I've found so many bargains at train shows I often can't remember what I have found.
I'll do some research to see what I can find.

Thanks for responding, Dave L.

I did find a photo on Google Images of a Roundhouse tank car, and you were correct.
Thanks again, Michael, for refreshing my memory.


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Good eyes and memory...those are indeed MDC/Roundhouse parts.
MDC made the tank car and sold the frame as a "log car" also. The trucks are MDC also, nice old guys.
One suggestion, you might think about changing out the wheelsets with metal wheels,
since they roll better and don't promote gunk on the rails like plastic does...
unless you intend to use "alternative" power and then it don't matter.
I have a couple of the MDC Fox trucks and also some of the much older Central Valley metal Fox trucks with real springs.
However, the MDC trucks roll much better than the old dudes so there's a trade-off...
cool springs or better rolling.

End of my diatribe... Woodie


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Diatribes always appreciated!!

I love going through my parts bin and seeing lots of old stuff.
How many of us remember Mantua hook couplers?

I have a few of the old Varney trucks with the little springs that flew off into space as I assembled them
(before I knew about the spit on the spring and the #11 exacto blade to insert it trick)

Lots of bits and pieces bring back fond memories of the "old days",
as a kid starting out in the hobby of model trains.

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Hi Dave  :wave:



Nice one on all the  C :cool: :cool: L  train-show finds !

Who needs R.T.R Gn15 ... When a tube of Super Glue(TM) is only a Buck $1 away !  :thumb:



As for  "Good eyes and memory" ... to quote W.C.G.  :cb:



My eyes aint quite the 20-20 they used to be.  :shades:

I'd say about 19.318-18.926 these days.  ;)

& as for memory ... What I don't remember, don't hurt !  :sad:





But ...
... I was thinkin' DARN IT !  :old dude:

That's one of those 'old time' Roundhouse tank cars I'm after !!!!!  :P



Which IF you see one around this neck o' the woods ...

... it'll cost you a coffee  :java:  spluttering  :shocked:  THIRTY $ BEANS !  :f:



I'm a 'tough as nails' eBayer & NEVER give up !  :slow:

Except on Roundhouse old timey tanks !!  :us:



I'd love the tank & the trucks to ruin  :dt:  though.  ;)

Just right for an  M.M.M.M.M.& M.Co.  BASH !  :mex:



Keep up the BASHin' Dave !  :cool:



:moose:



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Yep. Them's the ones!  I saw that photo on Google Images.
 
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Here is another HO car destined for Gn15. 

Will be just an easy repaint. 

Again, maker unknown. 

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I used an old Mantua metal frame flat car originally for Gn15. 

Widend the frame slightly, and added new stake pockets, and gave it link n' pin couplers.

Then changed it to 1:35n2 with knuckle couplers. 

The metal frames give the cars some nice weight so that they track well.


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I have many old HO cars adapted or a few still remaining to be converted to Gn15,
but I find that Bachmann On30 cars work great. 

Before Bachmann offered shorty On30 cars, I would shorten their gons. and flats,
by cutting out a section and gluing the body parts back together. 

Here are some examples. 

Thanks for looking. 

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Since I like to control trains as they travel around the layout,
I now use small slide switches to put power into sidings or sections. 

I embed them into the surface of the layout. 

They are so small I cover them with scenic items like barrels, bags, and other "debris". 
To use the switch, I just lift the barrel, etc., and flip the switch. 

Hoping to get back on my feet soon to work on the layout again. 

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Hey Dave, here's hopping you get healed up real soon and back to that layout of yours.
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David Laughery wrote: Steam and small gas/diesel locos

(a passion of Sorray's, he has as many engines as rolling stock!)

do the pushing and pulling.





Those are the cutest steam critters ever.


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Great stuff.

I like the idea of hiding buttons and sliders with scenic items.



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This note from Dave's wife Jerri.

Dave is still in the hospital, will be discharged tomorrow, to go to rehab for several weeks.

After several weeks of struggles with infection, and various surgeries and amputations (he has lost half of his left foot!)

He at last, seems to have turned the corner, and is improving.

I'm sure he will be in touch with you in a few weeks, when he is home.

Jerri

( Dave's wife )


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Get well soon Dave

We need you back & keeping your harbor smelling as sweet as Long Beach !


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Thanks, everyone. 

I am home and healing slowly. 

Not sure how much I can do with modeling for a while,
but I'll be here on the site as much as I can. 

Regards, Dave L.


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Hey, nobody cleaned my workbench while I was in the hospital! 

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Welcome back Dave

Perhaps you can do us a step by step on desk organization ?


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Welcome back Dave, we missed you and your input.

Heal quickly so you can get back to all you enjoy doing.


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Echoing the good wishes. 

Look forward to your posts. 

Hope to see the cute little steam lokies running soon.



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Hi Dave,

Welcome back, I too am looking forward  :shocked:  to the smell of more fisheads permeating this forum.

When you are ready, and in your own time...



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Thanks for the Welcomes back, all. 

Since I am pretty well confined by my walker,
I will post some same photos with details of construction. 

This little steamer is on an old Mantua chassis,
and plans were to install a small can motor,
to replace the antiquated open frame motor presently in it. 

The tender was scratched and has Bachmann freight trucks on it. 

Thanks for looking. 

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I see this and think "Well doesn't he make it look easy."

I would love to see some progress shots as you go, I might learn something.

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Hi, Dave here after another stint in the hospital. 

I never thought anyone would be interested in photos of of my projects. 
I will from now on take pictures as I go. 

Over the years I've amassed a large collection,
of lids, tops, caps, bits, from bottles, etc. 
and these ended up on my locos. 

I like Ozark Miniatures parts,
and this engine was waiting for a headlight to be added. 

Thanks for looking.

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One of the main reasons I came to this particular forum,
is because I like the style of modeling and scratchbuilding I find here.

There is a lot of experience and knowledge here.

Sure I got my first train set a really long time ago,
but I am still open to learning things.

If I see models I like, I always ask how it was done.

I think there are a lot of assumed techniques that are unique to each builder.

They may not know what they are, so a step by step photo set,
would be fascinating to see on something like a loco build.

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Thinking about a new project since I am now in a wheelchair.
 
Looking for a chassis to use these parts I've made before.
I have an old Mantua Dixie Belle chassis that may work. 
I'll keep you all posted. 

Thanks for looking, and best regards.

Dave L.


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Dave, a new loco should get you back into the swing of our hobby.

Keep us posted.

Will you need to be in that wheelchair from now on?

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Larry,

I think the wheelchair is a pretty permanent part of my life for quite a while.

It is difficult to adjust all the places in the house to make them accessible.

The hardest is finding a place to work on projects.

I'm eying the dining room table, but Wifey is suspicious.

regards, Dave L.


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As water is a scarce commodity on the island where the Charles Fish Head Glue company is situated,
it is often necessary to shift supplies around. 

Water tank cars will be one day. 
Here is a proposed project. 

Thanks for looking.
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Here is an old photo of layout number three under construction.

It was two by eight feet and built in two sections. 

It is no longer around, but it was a fun project. 

Thanks for looking. 

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This was as far as I got with that layout.  Dave L.

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Thanks for sharing.

How is your recovery going, well I hope.

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Thanks, Larry. 

It is going very slowly. 

I am not able to start any new projects and must share old photos for now. 

Regards, Dave L.


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The old photos are much appreciated.

I wish I had photos of all my layout attempts, especially a couple from when I was a kid.

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Thanks,

So if you like old photos, here is one from layout number two. 

It proved to be so heavy that it was not portable. 
As I hope to share any layout at train shows, it was dismantled,
and layout three was designed to be very portable: two lightweight sections. 

Thanks for looking. 

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Some of my photos show a turntable I made for the Gn15 layout. 

It started as an Atlas N-scale turntable. 
I glued a section of PECO On30 track on it,
and ran two wires from the N-scale rails to the rails of the On30 track.
 
Wood planks (craft sticks with the round ends cut off) were then glued on.
 
The Atlas turntables are self indexing and an easy wire hookup. 
Two wires to the rails and two wires to the motor control are all it takes. 

Thanks for looking. 

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That water tank is also Atlas-HO scale with a new support underneath.

Dave L.



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Now that I see the entire layout. I'm kind of surprised to see how small it is.
Most model railroaders go crazy and try to fill a room with stuff.

But I see you want to take your layout to Train Shows,
so yeah smaller footprint is better.

What are the dimensions of the layout and what radius are you using?

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Layout two was slightly smaller than 4x7 feet,
so that it would fit into my Chrysler van.

Track radaii were 12 to 15 inches;
I make curves fit the spaces, but twelve inches is my minimum.

As the layout was proving to be very heavy,
I stopped construction and started to think about layout three.

Small sections I could lift myself and fit together at a show,
seemed more sensible than a layout that needed two gorillas to handle.

Thanks for asking, and regards,

Dave L.


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Here is another shot of layout two. 

Thanks for looking,

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Here is an old photo of layout three under construction,
and in the very early stages of planning. 

I always like to play with turnouts and track to get a sense of what will work. 

When I was still in the classroom I would doodle my plans on transparencies,
and project them on large sheets of paper full size. 

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Another shot showing the planning stage of layout three. 

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Here is a shot of one of the Charles Co's locos. 

It is a modified Bachmann On30 Porter pulling two of the company's glue tanks on layout three. 
The engineer was attending to a personal need on the other side of the engine when the photo was taken. 

Thanks for looking. 

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Hey Dave,

I like the "x" brace bridge.

What did you use to create that X bridge?

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Larry,

Those are older Atlas HO extensions for their Pony Truss bridge, as I remember.

It took quite a number of train shows to get the two I used for the layout.

I wonder why the older, neat stuff is not available in today's market.

They were nice bridges.

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Last night I had that dream about the Gn15 convention,
the one with 300 working Gn15 layouts and 2000 venders selling bits, parts, and kits. 

I, of course, woke up before I was able to see everything.   
Here is a photo I managed to snap before I woke up. 

Thanks for joining in the fun,
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OK. I took the photo at one of the big train shows in Timonium, MD.
This is only half of the show with the display layouts.

Believe it or not, but there were NO Gn15 layouts there.
I have displayed some of my models and handed out some flyers on a few occasions.
Layout number one was just a small oval on a piece of board to run my display models.

Regards, Dave L.

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A while back I dug out my Varney ore cars from the 1950s when I modeled in HO as a kid,
to see what they looked like behind one of my Gn15 engines. 

Being too nostalgic, I decided that I would keep them as they are,
and not repaint, but run them as is. 
Here is a photo.

Thanks for looking. 

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They look right to me.

It's almost like doing something maybe half a scale bigger and the models look wrong,
but if you go a lot bigger it looks great.

Hope all is well.

I am looking forward to seeing more on your loco builds.
I am curious to see how you make the boilers.


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Whenever possible I try to use the boiler that comes on the engine,
so that the original attaching points are used. 

If the boiler seems too tiny for the larger domes and fittings,
I sometimes will wrap the boiler with a thicker skin. 

Making a new boiler and attaching it to the chassis can be difficult;
I prefer to keep the boiler that came on the engine.

Here is one with the boiler that came on the engine. 

Thanks for asking.
 
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Here is a project that never progressed. 

It is an old Mantua Dixie Belle with the boiler stripped and ready to add domes, etc. 
The cab and water tank is a previous photo, were meant to be added.
 
Some how I just never carried on with the project. 

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These were to be a part of the above project. 

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I was able to take some photos today of that old project. 

I was going to add a sleeve of PVC tubing to the boiler:


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Here is the chassis with the sleeve added:

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Here is where I'm headed with this project. 

Thanks for looking. 

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Not sure if I'm going to use the sleeve. 

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Thanks for taking the time to discuss how you do your locos. Very cool.

I had been eyeing my ideal loco mechanism and perhaps adaptable boiler,
but couldn't bring myself to spending the outrageous price of 30.00+ for an old Pocher 2-4-0.

I finally sprang for a Play Art 0-4-0.
I am thinking I can cut most of the cab and boiler off and use the remainder as is.
Your pale plastic boiler and cab are the kind of thing I will likely make for mine.

So far, I tested the "Does not Work" ebay loco and everything worked great.
It just needs some oil on the gears and drive shafts.

I also want to add a tender to the tank loco.

Anyway, your photos are really helpful in the ideation stage for me.
I won't clutter your layout discussion with my images,
as I can clutter my own rambling discussion with them.

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Does this mean you're joining in the Gn15 fun?
I hope so.

If you'd like to share your photos and project via e-mail PM me and I'll be in touch;
are you going to start a new thread in the Narrow Gauge forum?

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Here is a little project I started using a Rivarossi 0-4-0. 
It is meant to be an open cab little critter. 
It might be an idea for your 0-4-0. 

Thanks for looking.
 
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Sorry to disappoint, but I am firmly entrenched in 1/55 scale for now.

I already have too much kitbashed and scratch built rolling stock.
I'm kind of invested now.
Yet the basic concepts for loco bashing are pretty universal.
So anything you do in G scale is easily adapted to 1/55.

Our previous posts got me thinking, and I realized an HO scale Tyco tank car,
makes an ideal source for a boiler on my new loco build,
as it is hollow, round, and has no detail.

Another thing I am thinking of adding,
is a 16" gauge mine train in 1/55, using N scale mechs.
I just gotta find an old cheap loco to mod up.


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Sorry I did not realize you have a thread going on this site.

I'll read it tonight and learn all about 1/55 scale.

If Gn15 is 1/24 scale, your 1/55 scale is about half the size of Gn15.

Correct?

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Yeah.
I discovered it because Harold M? (can't remember his last name) was posting about it all over the place.
He kind of gets on a soap box about things sometimes.

I just happened to have an old Tyco GI Joe loco and decided to try my hand at some scratch building.
I wasn't sure about what scale to go, but then I realized that my HO wheels were most accurate to scale for 1/55.
It was a toss up between doing 2' gauge, or 3' gauge at that point.

15 years ago I had to sell of a fairly large N scale collection to pay bills.
Then I got back into European trains in the garden.
Now, I'm doing what the Brits call 5.5mm scale.

Over the years I've dabbled in scratch building,
but modern layouts are hard to make things for out of found materials.
Doing an odd scale like yours is kind of liberating.
I see the same kind of attitude on so many models and layouts here, whether my 1/55, 1/35, or 1/24 scale.
It isn't really the scale that matters, it's the attitude of making do with things.


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With scratch building you can never run out of projects. 

Here are some projects in my "HO" bin. 

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I found another photo of layout #2 under construction. 

Thought some might be interested to see it. 
Notice the cardboard building mockup in the background. 

I am so ready to be out of my wheelchair and to start another layout. 

Thanks, for looking, and regards,

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That looks great.

A lot of modelers hate to lose mainline length to spurs, but I do the same thing.

I put long spurs on the curves that go into the corners.

I sort of hate the empty corner look.


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I am still in my wheelchair, but I had a chance to pull up the plan for the S. Charles Fish Head Glue Co,
and reflect on what it will look like when I finally can get to the workshop and start construction.

I like the rigidity of two inch foam for the base (and will be "sea level"),
a raised Luan plywood for the area with track, buildings, and scenery. 
I am thinking that the plywood will be raised two inches from the base using sections (strips) of the leftover foam. 
I like to finish the outside edges with the Luan as fascia.

I have on hand PECO On30 turnouts and track. 
I have mentioned that I like to walk around the layout, controlling the trains and setting turnout by hand. 
Electric power switches are mounted by the turnouts and blended in as part of the scenery.

My engines don't have sound, but I have a CD with two hours of ocean and gull sounds,
that I may play through a speaker in one of the buildings (I'm not sure I can handle that).

At this time all I can do is think about the fun I'll have working on this layout #4,
and the chance to share the process with you. 

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Any suggestions for additional businesses I can tuck in and around the layout?

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Dave,

On the back side,
would there be room to include an additional run-around siding,
without crowding things too much?

How about storage tanks for fresh water or fuel? 
Maybe a cannery?


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Dave

You might want to add a Boiler House for steam,
which is used to supply lighting for the site,
and cooking off excess water from the fish glue.

Also used for heating of the retorts,
for sanitizing the finished product.

Fuel would likely be oil or coal,
brought in by ship or interchange railway,
then transported to the powerhouse.


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Thanks, Michael and Ken.

The boiler house was already in my thoughts,
but doesn't show on the plan.

Storage for coal is a good idea, though.

Michael, I'm considering your idea.
I should have fresh water storage, as well.

Thanks.

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Dave,

You could build a 2 or 3 story building over the tracks, upper left,
as I have indicated on your layout plan.

This would give you an opportunity to have a large building,
without taking up much land.

You would also end up with a urban type tunnel.

Your road could come in behind the boat building.

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Your layout has those connecting lines,
so it seems like you can do just about anything you want.
I will throw out some oddball ideas.

The curves behind the boat house on the upper left,
could have some kind of engine house/car house like a snow shed,
only for storing rolling stock out of the weather...

Or, since a lot of things are made on pilings,
you could build some kind of building that the trains run under as a sort of tunnel.

Same for the ship stores and boat house location.
Maybe they need a big gantry crane running across both track tracks,
to load and unload anything from a boat to an elephant.

;)

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The lower three tanks of glue could be moved north of the main track,
and be connected by pipes that the trains run under.
The Glue Tanks could be a removable scene back drop.

You could put some kind of fish cannary there and share the spur,
or add another spur running between it and the boat house.

The little spur on the left needs something.

And a little train station canopy,
where the workers who arrive on a train in the morning,
can sit in the shade might be fun too.

Just more ideas off the top of my head.


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RED  -  For a canopy for arriving passengers.
Maybe you add some kind of ferry that docks there.

GREEN  -  A big gantry across the double tracks.

BLUE  -  Extra tanks with pipes running over the tracks to the other tanks.

YELLOW  -  A Freight House for inbound and outbound shipments and cargo.



And I agree with Larry on having some kind of structure over that one curve.

I added a question for the little spur on the end all by itself.


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WOW!

Lots of ideas here.

Thanks.


Since this industry is located on the end of an island,
everything would have to be imported.

Got a lot of thinking to do.

Thanks again all, I appreciated it.

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Traingeekboy,

I've saved and printed that photo for further use.

Thanks, Dave L.



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Since it's an island,

you may need to bring in coal for those lokis and boilers.


Maybe that little spur can be a big crane,

for offloading coal into those little coal hoppers you have.


;)

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It is lucky that Mr. Charles has a mobile crane to help unload that coal. 

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Well that solves that problem!

Nice crane BTW.



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You might remember that the new Bachmann ore cars,
come with body mounted couplers, instead of the older truck mounted couplers,
making it necessary to convert them.


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I was able to mount KayDee #502 trucks to the Bachmann car,
but it was a job. 

After assembling the trucks (oh, what little screws!),
I enlarged the mounting holes to fit the Bachmann stud,
by a LOT of filing with a rat tail file and trial and error. 

In the end it worked well,
except I will probably replace the Bachmann screws,
with slightly longer ones, for a better attachment. 

Thanks for looking, and Regards, Dave L.


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I forgot to mention that I had to cut off the Bachmann plastic coupler pockets.

They were firmly attached and no amount of pulling or prying could dislodge them.

My Zona saw did the job.

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Some of you may wonder how I chose Fish Head Glue as the industry to model. 

Early photos of fish processing factories intrigued me,
and glue from fish parts is a real industry.
 
The glue is used in furniture making (probably not presently),
and musical instrument making (my son is a luthier). 

It seemed natural to model the making of the glue in a seaside facility. 
The Charles Fish Head Glue Co. is the result. 

Here are two of the photos I have collected. 

Thanks for looking. 
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Certain Government secret projects, require large amounts of the fish head glue,
and it needs to be shipped in special tank cars, rather than small containers like barrels. 

The Charles Co. has four such cars.
Painted silver, to not be confused with the red boric acid car on the company roster.
 
These started as On30 Bachmann tank cars,
but I shortened the chassis and used custom decals I made on my printer. 

Thanks for looking. 
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David Laughery wrote: Certain Government secret projects, require large amounts of the fish head glue,
and it needs to be shipped in special tank cars, rather than small containers like barrels. 

The Charles Co. has four such cars.
Painted silver, to not be confused with the red boric acid car on the company roster.
 
These started as On30 Bachmann tank cars,
but I shortened the chassis and used custom decals I made on my printer.


Your previous post about old photos is right up my alley.
I am addicted to searching up old images online.

I do like that On30 car you've altered.
Are you using some kind of transfer material to print on for your decals?


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" Certain Government secret projects, require large amounts of the fish head glue "



Probably new W.M.D.s.  :old dude:



Drop a load of that fish-head mixture somewhere ...

... & any sane humans would flee at top speed !  :shocked:

(after looting the local cloths-peg stores)



The truth IS out there .  .   .    :shades:


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I printed my lettering on decal paper using my old ink jet printer.
Alas, I lost the original file in a computer change.
I hope that font is still out there somewhere.

Sorray Charles has never disclosed the government projects.
A couple of tank cars of glue are ferried to the mainland each week.

That reminds me, I should figure on a ferry slip on the layout somewhere.

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Here is a project I can work on while in my chair and at the kitchen table. 

Right now it is the only enclosed piece of rolling stock on the roster. 
Occasionally dampness sensitive materials need to arrive at the fish head glue factory.

I am planning canvas roll-downs for the doors, some additional bracing for the body,
and a simple roofwalk and grabs for one end of the car. 

I'll add a few resin castings for a load as the car is a little tippy,
and I need some weight down at floor level. 

Thanks for looking,

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Another view of the underside showing the Bachmann chassis. 

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I've read your suggestions for the Fish Head Glue layout,
and made some changes today.

I've added a large industry in the upper left corner: bone meal. 
Mr. Charles needed to do something with all those fish skulls, after all. 

Since tank cars of glue went off-island, there needed to be a ferry slip,
and I added it on the upper right corner. 

I added some buildings for a café, boarding house for overnight fishermen,
and a pub/saloon for factory workers' after shift relaxation.

A boiler house and coal storage is added to the factory,
and the engine service area is a little in limbo at this time. 

Thanks for all the suggestions;
here is the layout plan as of new. 

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I didn't want to be a jerk and bring up the issue of :-

It's an island, how do you get the glue to the mainland on these trains?

Or

It's an island, why not put it in barrels and then onto boats?


Now that you have the Ferry Slip, you've overcome the big plot hole, as it were.

WELL DONE!


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Thanks.

It is a pretty big island,
and the fish head operation had been situated as far from population as possible,
due to the "fragrance".

Some industry on the island does use the glue,
but some is shipped out.

Regards, Dave L.


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David Laughery wrote: It is a pretty big island,
and the fish head operation had been situated as far from population as possible,
due to the "fragrance".

Some industry on the island does use the glue,
but some is shipped out.


Oh oh, another industry idea - 
Fish Head Fragrance Company  :doh:


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How is Mr. Charles going to "package" it ?

Maybe balloons? 

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It would be a good joke on a billboard.

Fish Head Fragrances...
For the discerning lady.


I have to add that I had not commented on the little boxcar.
It is a nice little(?) model.


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Thanks, TGB,

I appreciate your insights and comments.

A lot of these projects I can only think about right now.

Regards, Dave L.


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I have shared a photo of the Fish Head Co.'s crane. 
It has many jobs around the layout. 

Some of the fish heads arrive in open barges (what a smell!),
and are lifted in large buckets by the crane,
and put into open gons. for the trip to the factory. 

Coal arrives by barge and by gons.,
and also must be up-loaded from barge to gon.,
and transferred to coal storage and the boiler house.

Occasionally Bruggeman's Boats needs a lifting hand,
to help get a boat to the launching ramp.

The crane is coal fired,
and is just able to lift and lower, and swivel side to side.

My model needs cable installed and hook/buckets fabricated. 
I use picture hanging wire for cable. 

This is another little project I can finish at the kitchen table. 

Thanks for looking.

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Another view.

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A third view.  Dave L.

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That's really cool.

I love things with upright boiler engines in them.

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Howdy David, is that hoist scratch?
A really nice piece of work.
Are you planning a "hoist tender" to go with it for fuel and other stuff?
Great modeling.

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Thanks, Woodie.

It is scratch and thanks for the idea of a crane tender.
I have a small flat that could carry a supply of coal behind the crane.

As I look at the photos,
I see that there is no real capacity for storage of coal on the crane itself.
There is a small water tank, though.

Again, thanks for the idea.

Regards, Dave L


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Hi David, Woodie, all,

For inspiration purposes only,
here's a crane tender that goes with this slightly larger steam crane,
that I spotted in action at Grosmont in the UK last year.





Here's the crane tender.
It's a LARGE size to go with a large size crane.





Things to notice - the central jib support, shackles and slings,
a bin under canvas, probably for storing the timber packing blocks and baseplates for the outriggers on the crane,
or perhaps bagged coal?

This crane tender was built on a re-purposed depressed-centre flat car.

I have seen smaller 4-wheel flatcars used as crane tenders in industry, but I don't have photos.

That smaller version didn't have the jib support,
but was simply a "home" for slings, packing and indeterminate "other stuff".

As I said, for inspiration only.


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Thanks, John, for the great photos.

I am sure my tender will be pretty simple:
 
Coal bin, tool storage, and a little stove to keep the coffee hot.

Regards, Dave L.


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Here is the little car that'll be the tender for the crane. 

Mr. Charles must have bought it used from some western railroad.   

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Your crane gives my motivation a lift. 

Nice work.



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Steven, thanks for the compliment.

Unfortunately I can't do as much scratch building as I used to do,
just small projects for now.

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Remembering that Sorray Charles had a guano operation on a nearby island,
and that occasional car loads would arrive via the ferry to the island where the fish head factory was situated,
an additional industry would be needed to process (bag) the guano.


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The company needed something to bring the unprocessed guano to the facility,
and found an ideal unit from the Bachmann Co, a small gon.


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The Bachmann gon needed to change the coal to guano.

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Remembering the guano on my windshield when visiting the seashore, white paint might work.

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This is what I imagine a gon filled with guano would look like.  Thanks for looking, Regards, Dave L.

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As I look at the above photo I am not 100% happy with the result.
I am open to suggestions of how to improve the affect.

Thanks.

Regards, Dave L.


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What a load! 

You like stinky things. 

:bg: 

Good thing you're on a couple of islands.


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Years ago there was a company that sold bottled scents to add to the layout,
but I don't remember fish or bird poop smells being available - Thank Goodness!!

I have plans for a layout based on the pickle industry.
Nothing unpleasant there, I would think.

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Dave

Going through a few books I have covering Guano (Nitrate) railways in SA.

The ore was either coarse crushed and covered for shipment,
depending on distance or weather to the processing plant.

Or in the case of a smaller operation without processing,
it would be sacked for shipment to a plant for processing.

Will take a look to see if there might be a color photo of the ore,
in one of the books.


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Ken,

That would be great to know if I am on the right track with the color.

I have photos from the net showing a chute arrangement,
to load the stuff into an open boat (I presume) for transport.

I have photos, also, of bagged guano that is labeled as a fertilizer.

I am imagining the gon (shipped on the ferry to Charles Co. island)
carrying the guano to a small facility where it is bagged and then shipped out.
This is a very small operation.

Your comment makes me think a tarp over the gon during transport would be the norm.
An open gon would be visible when ready to be moved into the bagging facility.

Thanks, Dave L.


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Here is a photo showing the off-loading chute at a guano mine.  Dave L.

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In between working on simple projects while in my wheelchair,
I am sorting through my Gn15 album of ideas, and putting the pages in categories. 

I came across my "doodles" of Charles Co.'s next two engines, Shays. 
Unfortunately bad economic conditions (Mr. Charles and myself) cancelled the purchase,
but the doodles are fun. 

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I knew if I went through enough books, I would come across a color photo.
 
The guano (Caliche) is nearly pure white, with a very light grey texture to it.

The broken ore is a good size, 6 inch to 18+ inch chunks.

Crushed ore is +/- 1/2 inch as a guess.

Hope this information helps with your Guano Railway make a profit.

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Hi Dave  L:

There's almost enough birds on that unloader, for you to be able to mine the unloader  :shocked: :P

Just be careful where you apply the jackhammers, it don't look real solid in places  :bg:


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Well truly, if worked right,

you might be able to have an "auto loader" with all those birds.

:shocked: 

The Hitchcock Mine.


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Thanks for all the comments, guys.

In my research I learned that the raw guano is put through a sieve, to remove sticks, rocks, etc.,
and then is bagged on site, or shipped to a bagging facility somewhere else.

The ramp in the photo must have been for lowering the bags to boats for transport.
It is an interesting industry, but the Charles Co. doesn't make a huge profit from it.
 
Ken, the shipping of chunks of guano is interesting.
The bagging facility on Charles Island would need a crusher of some type,
I presume, to prepare for bagging.

Thanks again.

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I found my original masters to make decals.
and thought some of you might be curious as to how it is done. 

I printed on my old inkjet, the lettering for the decals.
Finding the right font was not that difficult. 

I placed the "master" on the printer and loaded a decal sheet in the paper tray,
and just copied the master onto the decal sheet.  Easy as that.

Decal paper is available on Amazon,
for about $1.30 a sheet, ten sheets for abort $13.00.
 
I now use a laser printer. 
If your printer is a color one, the decal paper can do colorful signs, etc., too. 

Thanks for looking.

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Back before the fish head and guano operations,
Sorray Charles discovered that his island was perfect for growing cucumbers,
and thus the business of Peerless Pickles was born. 

It was a thriving business,
employing local ladies to sort the cucs,
depending on size.


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The cucumbers needed to be transported to the pickling vats,
by a small railway in order to cross a river and marshland,
after farmers brought the crop in by truck to a loading wharf.

They were paid by weight.


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Special cars to transport the cucumbers were ordered and construction was started.

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An unfortunate incident ended the Peerless Pickle Co. forever.

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David,

For sorting out the guano, how about an operating trommel? 

I've seen a few other modelers use a trommel for other industries.


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That sure would be an interesting scene on the layout Michael.

My wife's tea kettle has a nice, round screen for holding tea leaves.

Hmmm....No, I'd better not.

 L:

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Found the link I was looking for: 

? ? ?

This modeler built an operating trommel that sorts gravel by size. 

Kinda neat.





The link has been removed as it didnt work

:f:

Eddie

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Psst...

Don't tell anyone,

or else everyone will want a pickled frog.



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Hi all,

Here's a direct link to the operating trommel

https://youtu.be/9edY3h39Eqw

and another later version actually sorting rocks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_Iin572XYA


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A great video on the trommel.

May need to build one, eye sight permitting  ;)  after it heals.

I do have a set of Fisher Scientific sieves which gives me 7 grades of material though.

But an operating trommel would be far more interesting to use.


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John, thanks for the videos.

That is great modeling.

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I figure that when the day comes to start structures for the layout,
I will build simple mock-ups of them, to get an idea of placement and actual size. 

Since it might be a while until I build the structures,
the mock-ups might have to do. 

The mock-ups will have some windows pasted on. 
I found these on the net, saved the images, and then printed multiple times.
I'll cut them out and glue them to the temporary buildings. 

Regards, Dave L.

I should have mentioned,
that if you include "clip art" in your search,
there are better results.


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I had a number of 2x8 tables from my large scale modeling days,
and wondered if that were the only space I had available for a layout
(such as along a wall in my den)
could I model a Charles Fish Head Glue Co. layout? 

Here is a "doodle" that I drew up a while ago. 

Thanks for looking. 

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Two by eight feet seems to be a very workable size for a Gn15 layout.

Reaching in two feet is not too much of a stretch.
And, eight feet long is enough space to give the viewer a sense of horizontal distance.

Building flats along the backdrop. and 3-D buildings give a sense of depth.

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Larry, it is a layout I could do from my wheelchair.

I think I'll work on the design a little more and refine the industries.

Thanks for posting.

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Think about just one large industry with many places to spot cars.

A sequence of operations could give a reason to move cars from one siding to another.

A dock scene could be the connection to the rest of the world.

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Larry,

The Charles conglomerate has fish head glue, bone meal, and guano, but not pickles,
all situated in a small area, and thus a lot of switching and car sorting to do.

Hmmm - let me think on this.

Thanks for the thought.

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Here are some changes to the layout.

I've added trackage and structures, to encompass all the Charles industries.

I've broken my twelve inch radius curves rule.
I'll have to check to see if my engines and rolling stock will handle smaller curves.

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Sorry, forgot to include the photo. 

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Looking for small projects to do from my chair,
I've thought about loads of fish heads for the glue factory. 

I got my order of fish today and am thinking how to make a few car loads of heads.
 
I may have to make a master and cast a few, but I have never done it. 
Maybe someone can help with some advice on this. 

Thanks, and Regards, Dave L.


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A typical feed stock for fish head glue consist's of heads, tails and internal's,
believe me you do not want to be near the mix when the weather is warm,
or in a processing plant.

This is from experience having visited a working cannery,
and being downwind when processing is taking place,
makes a pulp mill smell like a Rose Garden.


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Dave,

How about an aquarium car?


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Ken, I can't imagine the smell.

That is why the fish head glue factory was situated at the far end of the island.

Michael, I think Lionel beat me to an aquarium car.  :shocked:

Thanks, guys.

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While in my wheelchair I have time to "doodle" a few more projects. 

Mr. Charles always liked geared locos, but could never afford one. 

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I like the Loki idea.

Can we expect to see this in real life as a model some time?



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If I were to find a good buy on a Bachmann loco, I might think about it. 

I have the same problem as Mr. Charles:  

Corporate finances make it unlikely at present.

 :sad:

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As it turns out, I have a Bachmann 4-4-0 stashed away.

Here is a "doodle" of what it would look like in Gn15. 

Thanks for looking.

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I thought I would share a photo of my best running steamer. 

It snicks along without a hesitation or jerkiness or wobble or anything. 
It doubleheads, or even tripleheads, with any of my engines.
 
OK, I have to explain the secret. 
It is a "dummy" unit. 

I removed the motor and gears from the chassis,
so I could run multiple motive power at the head of my trains.

I got the idea from running A-B-B-A diesels in HO and N,
where only the first engine was powered. 
If with diesels why not steam? 

It is a lot of fun watching all that valve gear on this engine moving. 
Got an engine that is not the great runner you wish it were? 
Make it a dummy. 

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Have you thought about a cheater box,

with a really reliable Diesel Switcher mech?



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I'm not sure what you mean.

Are you referring to a motorized box car ?
I've done that in HO and N scales and put them behind a non-motorized engine.

It would save me the trouble and expense of replacing the motors,
in my engines that have old Mantua open frame motors.

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Yeah, a powered piece of rolling stock,
to help a non runner run.

Some of the HO Diesel switchers can be really smooth runners.
And one powered box car can be used with all of them.


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Right now I can't get to any modeling projects,
but I can "doodle" at the kitchen table. 

Hope you don't mind looking. 

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Another doodle. 

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Here is yet another doodle. 

Some might recognize one of the little two foot gauge engines,
of the Mt. Gretna narrow gauge, which was just down the road from me. 

Thanks for looking. 

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I hope you all don't tire of my doodles,
but it is all I can work on right now. 

Here is a little project that would be great in Gn15. 

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Dave,

I can't speak for others, I enjoy your doodling,
even though non of your creations would go around my 8" radius curves.

Well, maybe this last creation of yours just might be able to squeak around my corners.

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Larry, this one might work on your curves.  

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People are funny about radius.

I had some old N scale track that was code 80 and something like a 7" radius.
I tested my newer N scale diesels, like a GP38 and a SD35 on it, and they were fine.

I think that you could get any 4 wheel HO loco to work on 8" curves.


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Dave,

This one would go around my curves just fine.
What loco did you have in mind to start with?
The running gear looks to have a well tank between the frame plates. 

So far, all my donor mechanisms, except one, are four wheel HO locos.
I do have a six wheel mechanism with side rods.
This one will not take my tight curves without derailing. 

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Larry, I think any little four wheel loco would work well.

I really love the old Rivarossi Docksides, but they are hard to find now-a-days.

They have full valve gear and are smooth runners if the motors work.

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Larry, here is one of those Docksides I was going to use for a project. 

Andy, I ran a lot of big N scale engines on that track over the years.

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Dave,

I have ten donor mechanisms, all but one are four wheel HO.
So far, only three have Gn15 body shells.

Since I run a train only once in a while, three locos seem to be enough.

My main enjoyment comes from building scenery and structures.
Sad but true, my trains are more like moving scenery.

Not sure what I'll do when/if I finish this layout.

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Larry, just don't finish it!

Have fun and run a train...sometime.

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Larry, scenery was an enjoyment for me, too.

I was a partner in a professional layout building company for many years.
It fell to me to do the scenery on many layouts.
Less enjoyable was track and wiring, but I did if needed.

My favorite part was the modifying of building kits,
and scratch building engines and rolling stock.

I worked in N scale for almost fifty years and still have quite of it packed away.
I think the big train show in Timonium, MD, in February will see a lot of it go.

Right now Gn15 is my passion.
It allows my doing the things I love most in this hobby.

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I hope I am not breaking any rules by showing a photo of my N scale layout
(now in storage) here in Narrow Gauge. 

OK, I did consider removing all the N scale buildings,
and replacing them with HO buildings,
so I could run my HOn30 engine and five cars on this layout,
making it a narrow gauge layout. 

Right now I can't get my wheel chair down stairs,
so the thought is on hold. 

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Dave,

I had thought of doing a HOn30 layout,
using my only loco that actually ran.
It is one of the reissue Plymouths from Big City Hobby.
 
Before I could order a couple more of them,
they were no longer available without cars.
I have dozens of cars already so didn't want anymore.
Now even the sets seem to be unavailable.
 
I designed a wonderful, in my estimation, island hopping layout,
to fit on a 4x8 slab of 2" foam cut into 2'x4' sections.
Each section was shifted to right or left,
giving the layout a more random look.

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Speaking of small layout designs,
I designed and built this 3'x5' switching layout in On30.

The layout was used for the switching contest,
at the 1969 N.M.R.A. National convention held in Minneapolis, MN.

It was a two level affair, Upper Bedlam & Lower Bedlam.
It had a river dock to connect the layout with the rest of the world.
All the track, turnouts and diamond were hand spiked to hard Balsa wood ties.

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Larry,

I really like that "Chair of Rocks" layout plan. 
I've added it to my notebook. 

You also got me thinking that small, four wheel locos are really interesting.
 
I am thinking of adding some smaller engines to the roster,
if I were to go the 2x8 layout plan. 

Here is a doodle of one I really like. 

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Yes, I like this one too.

The perfect mechanism is already in my collection.
Maybe I can get something like your doodle built this winter.

At the moment, I have a long list of unfinished projects to tackle.

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Michael was talking about adding figures to his vehicles in his thread,
so it got me to actually do something other than doodling.   

Here is my diecast Maxwell with a driver. 

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Dave, wasn't it Jack Benny who drove a Maxwell?
I remember that it was one of those old dudes.
Great model BTW.

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Hey, good memory.  :bg:

Google says it was a 1923 Maxwell Touring.

It looked a lot like my model.

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Since we have been talking about four wheel little locos,
I got out my little one. 

Based on an old Athearn Hustler,
it had the rubber band drive that handily gave me 300 scale MPH. 
Maybe some of you "old timers" remember this drive. 

I remember wrapping masking tape around the shafts,
to change the ratios and slow them down. 
Athearn still can supply the little rubber bands. 

I have both automatic and Horn Hook couplers on it,
so I can run my old Varney ore cars with this little engine. 

Thanks for letting my reminiscing. 

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My very first HO loco was a rubber band drive Hustler.
Wish I still had that loco so I could display it with my other RR artifacts.
If we had a long enough track, I'm sure the Hustler could reach warp speed.

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Larry,

I still have my first Hustler.
The one in the photo is a duplicate I got at a train show.
I couldn't bear to chop up my original.

:shocked:

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Ah yes, the old Hustler.
A buddy & me used to have Hustler races...a couple of sticks of Atlas brass flex track,
a pillow at the end of the tracks, power pack turned up full but switched off,
ON! and the lokies whizzed off and hit the pillow. Great fun!
However, you might (if you want) to install an EARNST gear kit in one.
No special messing, but with the gearing, the Hustler will run like it has a gearhead motor (slow)
and you don't need a sound chip...it makes a nice growling noise when you crank it up!

Dems wuz de daze!
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As I remember there is a collectors group for the Hustlers.

Google the Hustler to see all the variations and numbers.
Mine was #59 and red.

I once attached a model airplane body to see if I could get it to fly,
it never left the track.

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I've dug out this photo of my original Hustler,
and the Gn15 conversion of another I got at a train show. 

For some reason I removed the number 59 from mine.

Note the crude attempt to add grab bars.
(hey, I was only ten years old) 

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My son visited today and was able to extract my first Gn15 layout  from the basement.  It measures 22x36 inches and has nine inch radius curves.  It was only a test oval to try out my first Gn15 engine and cars.  Now I can test my other locos and see how many could be used on that 2x8 foot layout.  Thanks for looking, Regards, Dave L.

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I was able to try a few of my engine that I thought might make it around these nine inch curves.  The four wheel engines, and the short wheelbase eight wheel diesel all made it around.  The six wheel steamer did not.  I am sure none of my other engines would make it, either, so I am limited to four engines if I were to make a 2x8 layout.  Regards, Dave L.

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Looks like I need to do some dusting, too. Dave L.

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Dusting is overrated.

Do I see three Banjos in the background? 

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Yep. I play old time banjo and collect/rehab banjos when I am able. Are you a picker, Larry? Regards, Dave L.

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Sorry, the radio is the only musical insrements I can play. 
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You know there is an old response to that: "Do you play it in tune, or do you tune in?" Really corny. Regards, Dave L.

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Since we have been talking about small. four wheel locos, I want to highlight this little book: Critters, Dinkys, & Centercabs by Jay Reed.

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It covers small engines, alphabetically  from Adamson to Whitcomb.

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Photos, when available, accompany text.  Published in 2000, this is an excellent reference if your interest lies in these small locomotives.  It is worth the effort to seek out a copy.  Thanks for looking, Regards, Dave L.

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I did some checking. The used book is available on Amazon, but it is pretty expensive at about $45. Regards, Dave L.

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Hello all, I finally finished the scenery on my first Gn15 layout!  I know it is silly, but I am having a lot of fun just running on this tiny oval.  I look forward to the day when I can finally start a real Charles Fish Head Glue Co. layout.  If you are putting off starting/working on/finishing a layout-don't do it.  Do it now while you are able to do it.  Trust me!  Regards, Dave L.

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Can somebody explain the ranking system? I'm the only three star right now. Just wondering. Thanks, Dave L.

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Howdy David, I don't know much about that silly "rating" BS except that it was SUPPOSED to be gone! Check with Si about all that.

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I was just curious about it. It is not a factor in my enjoying this site and participating. Regards, Dave L.

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It is true that I love model boats as well as airplanes, vehicles, and trains.  I remember floating model boats in the Darby Creek as a kid, so I am sure to have a few  on any layout I should build.  Here is a plan I found on-line for a little steamer that I would love to scratch-build.  I envision it at a wharf with lights and figures aboard.  Should be a lot of fun.  Anyone else build boats for the layout?  regards, Dave L.

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Picture of a boat on my Gn15 display layout "Old World Charm".  Scratch built from card stock (cereal box).  No plan just evolved as I built it.  

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Bob, I really like that boat. Great effect with that water, too. Thanks for posting the photo. Regards, Dave

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Here is another little vessel I really like. Regards, Dave L.

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Love that boat.  Thanks for kind comment on water.  Effective water really adds to a scene.  The water on Old World Charm was simply a base painted with acrylic artists paint and covered with gloss matt gel.  

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I do water the same way, but the little waves really caught my eye.  Your effect is really great.  Thanks for the additional photo.  Here is a boat my friend Jon built.  It has inspired me to build one, too.  Regards, Dave L.


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I am enjoying running trains again, despite the limited operating possibilities.  I again urge those putting off the projects on your "to do" list to start them, even if just a small, one evening project.  Almost all my projects were done working a few minutes at a time.  Regards, Dave L.

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I know what you mean about just watching a train run. My little 2 by 4 foot Gila Tram gets run almost every day and allows me to just watch, something that I can't do when operating on my "big" layout.

Have fun and run a train...today!


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Woodie, I would love to see a photo of your little layout. Is there one in a thread somewhere? Thanks, Dave L.

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http://freerails.com/view_topic.php?id=2587&forum_id=40

Here's the link to my little Gila Tram layout. Some of the photos have been "fixed" by photobucket. Would you like new ones?
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I read through the above link, and I am working through your current thread (up to page 20). Maybe one photo from above to see the whole little layout would be great! Thanks, and regards, Dave L.

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I really need to move past thinking in terms of layout and just do Oval.

Nice boats BTW.

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Thanks. Your comment got me to thinking about my own ideas on layouts over the years. I have a thick folder of layout designs going back thirty years. Back then they were room size and complex, often with deep ravines needing many trestles and bridges or open water needing the same.
As the years passed I reduced my requirements until my last N scale "doodle" needed only a modest 5x9 foot space. Today my perfect Gn15 layout plan is less than 4x8 feet. It actually is a doable design. Sure we all would love that room sized layout, but reality is that I bet most of us would never finish it. So for now I am running on my oval and having fun. Regards, Dave L.

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My final N scale layout was only 38x74 inches , down from the room filling design I envisioned for many years.  I admire the large layouts, but I was able to finish this one.  Regards, Dave L.

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David, I will take an overhead shot this weekend. The layout is in my little office and I'll drag it outside for some new pix. What a nice N scale layout, is it still around? Some photos would be nice.

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Thanks, Woodie.  When I got into Gn15 I put the N scale under plastic, and it sits in the basement.  As you can see I was a huge fan of the BAR and MEC RRs.  I guess the point I was stressing is that small layouts are "finishable".  For years I put off starting that huge N scale plan and this layout was to try out scenery and track possibilities.  Regards, Dave L.

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Another view.  Dave L.

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David Laughery wrote: Thanks, Woodie.  When I got into Gn15 I put the N scale under plastic, and it sits in the basement.  As you can see I was a huge fan of the BAR and MEC RRs.  I guess the point I was stressing is that small layouts are "finishable".  For years I put off starting that huge N scale plan and this layout was to try out scenery and track possibilities.  Regards, Dave L.
David,

I agree wholeheartedly with your comment about layout size. I always admire large layouts but I know I can, and will, build a small one. I also have recently learned that I don't really want a large layout. My wife has offered any room in the house, even the master bedroom, for a layout so that I can have whatever I want. Given the option, I decided to stick to a single 4'x10' table in one of the small bedrooms. I would not only never actually build the large layout but, if I did, I wouldn't want to maintain it.

Your N-Scale layout is very pleasant to look at and I bet it is relaxing to just sit and watch. My favorite kind of layout. It also reminds me of the one thing I miss about N-Scale (currently I'm doing On30), the amount of scenery you can fit into a small area. Of course your layout would have been MUCH better if it was the B&M :bg:

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B&M? I don't think I ever heard of that one. ;) I actually have some B&M "Bluebirds" that occasionally showed up on the layout. You are correct about the scenery that can fit on an N scale layout. Regards. Dave L.

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Ever since I was a kid I've admired Mr. Ford's Model T and  I have collected models of them in all scales.  Other than a few die-cast models, there was not a lot of choice in 1/24 scale if I wanted to put a few on the layout.  I was very happy to see a foreign company, ICM, bring out a series of 1/24th kits of the Model T.  The kits include this little run-about, a touring car, and a Fire-engine!  The kits are probably not for beginners, but will be a lot of fun to finish.  I see Amazon has them available.  I am looking forward to starting my kit over this winter.  Regards, Dave L.

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And a lot of other variations too David, so if this build goes well and you fall in love with their kits, plenty of future choice. 

https://www.google.com/search?q=icm+model+t+ford+1/24&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjCi_ne


And that's not to mention the 1/35 versions!


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David,  Agree with comment on limited availability.  Not only in Model T's but all early cars.  What frustrates me more is the lack of enclosed/sedan types.  Not everyone drove a coupe or convertible.

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Bob, Revell make, or at least made, a 1/35 kit of the T as a sedan 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Revell-Highway-Pioneers-FORD-MODEL-T-SEDAN-1915-Model-Car-Kit-Built-Boxed-1952-/163151515117

but I've not seen one in 1/24. And yes, sedan cars generally of that era are very thin on the ground

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Wow! There are a lot more than I was aware were on the market. If I had room on the layout I would have a Ford dealer. That would be a neat scene. Regards, Dave L.

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I forgot that Lindberg makes their Tall T in 1/24, but it is a Hot Rod.  I will need to fashion a hood and source some old wheels to finish this model.  Their T Coupelet is 1/32, but a nice model.  It might be useable in 1/35 scale.  Regards, Dave L.

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David & all, the Lindberg 1:32 scale (and many other die cast autos, etc) are useable in 1:35 scale. There is little noticeable difference in scale sizes and 1:35 scale figures look fine next to and driving the cars. I have about 7 or 8 Lindberg Model T's on my layout along with others. As far as figures, I once ordered a set of unpainted PREISER 1:32 men & women. With a 1:35 scale ruler, the men stood about 5'6" or 5'8", the ladies were about 5'6 or even a bit shorter, but there were 2 men who scaled out to 7'6" with a 1:32 scale ruler! I suppose they were basketball players.
I have seen the same size differences in 1:87 and 1:48 scale figures....go figure!





A 1:32 scale die cast T along with a 1:35 scale figure. Seems OK to my old eyes.

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Looks good to me, too. Large scale figures come in all sizes. I have a jar of feet cut off too tall figures. I've also taken a half inch out of a figure's legs; real people come in all sizes, too. Dave L.

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Unfortunately most of the passengers in my Bachmann passenger carriages have no legs below the knees.The only way to make them fit was a double amputation,now I need to invest in lots of wheelchairs for them:shocked::doh:....Some of the drivers have one or no legs to make them fit,it all depends on the size of the figure and what looks right.Depending on the interpretation of the manufacturer and the seller,some of them just don't get the scales right.Many of my passengers are of Chinese manufacturing and are dangerously thin and need a good feed,but a few of my figures are of European branding ,are overweight and just look fantastic in their locations due to the right proportioning of the design...........Peter.

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Poor Louie, on the right, can't understand why he has no feeling in his feet.  He was shortened to fit in the cab of an engine.    Regards, Dave L.

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Hi. I just discovered that if I click on my home town, there by my name, I could see if there are any members in my town. There isn't; I clicked on my state and found that there are a number of members very close, as the list shows hometowns. What other greet features of this site are yet to be discovered ? :glad: Regards, Dave L.

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Every now and then I try to post a photo and I get this.  My professional photographer friend can't explain it.  Can anyone here tell me what is going on? Thanks, Dave L.

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Hi. I'm back after another week in the hospital. Hoping to get a few small projects underway.

Home from the hospital again I was able to work on a small project.  I had sourced an HO tank car body at a train show for 25 cents and mounted it on a shortened Bachmann On30 frame.  I used popcycle sticks to plank the frame and gave it a coat of red paint, indicating the car was for boric acid use only.at the Charles Glue Co..  I had never gotten to mounting trucks, so that was my big effort today.  I know it doesn't sound like much of a deal, but for me it was good to back at modeling.  Regards, Dave L.


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Looking great! Hope you're feeling great also. That's a nice size tank car for a "minimum gauge" railway. Are you going to drape hoses and other needed stuff over it? Of course it needs a bit of weathering, that boric acid is some nasty stuff. Now, back to work...you and me both.

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Thanks, Woodie.  I have valves on my silver glue tank cars.  I need to see if I still have any more in my parts box when I can get to it.  Hoses and weathering are a good idea.  Will keep it in mind.
I just started another small project.  I like to have drivers in my engines and my Porter was running without one, so designed engineer Sid Schmidt was appointed, but was too tall.  He had to be shortened a scale foot to fit the cab.  Here he is under the saw.  Regards, Dave L.

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Hi Dave,
I hope Sid was suitably anaesthetised before the sawbones applied the saw??

A tot of rum for the sawbones in the best traditions of Nelson's navy?

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Thanks, John.  He actually didn't feel a thing and now is at work in the Porter.    Regards, Dave L.

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Maybe Sid Schmidt should be called Stumpy........Peter

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If I could run a neat little loco like that, I would get my legs shortened too!

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Peter. he'll be known a "Stumpy Schmidt" from now on. Woodie, facing exactly that for real, I would love to drive a real Porter with either one or two legs. :bg: Regards, Dave L.

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Another short engineer has been hired at the Charles Co.  Looks like his cuffs cover his shoes.  Another small project I've been wanting to do for a while.  I use Aleen's Tacky Glue to hold drivers in the cabs.  It dries clear and is slightly flexible.  It has many uses around the layout.  I get it at Walmart or craft stores. Regards, Dave L.

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Dave, :2t:that is a very impressive back head in your loco. Did you scratch build it or is it a kit of some kind?
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Hi Larry. I just used Ozark Miniatures and Trackside Details parts and a plastic plumbing T for the boiler and bits and pieces-bottle caps.,etc. for the rest of it. Regards, Dave L.

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Here is a photo that I used to help do the backhead on that engine.  Regards, Dave L.

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Today I pulled my unbuilt models of Ford's Model T to begin a small project.  A comparison of the body fenders of both kits showed that the Lindberg kit's fenders are considerably smaller the LCM's part. Although labeled 1/24, I suspect that the Lindberg model is 1/25, or smaller.  I think the body of the smaller kit will end up a rusted hulk half buried in a sand dune somewhere on the layout.  I am disappointed as there is a shortage of closed Model Ts kits out there.  Regards, Dave L.

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Maybe a scene like this with that Model T.  Regards, Dave L.

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Inspiration!  Dave L.

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I was able to look through my collection of old signs today and I thought I would remind you all of the resource for old signs for the layout.  I check out any ads in magazines, brochures, even business cards or restaurant place mats for anything that could be used for a sign.
I have taken to looking at Google Images for signs and save them to my computer for later use.  The possibilities are endless.  Never let a good sign go by.   Regards, Dave L.

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Larry G and I share an interest in layouts that have waterfronts, bridges, and trestles.  I have shared a few island layout concepts, but I really like Larry's Chain of Rocks plan he has posted in this thread.  With his permission I am showing it again with my addition of blue  to highlight the water areas.  Although labeled for HOn30, I can only imagine how interesting it would be to build and operate this layout in Gn15!  Thanks, Larry.  Dave L.

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" I can only imagine how interesting it would be to build and operate this layout "


Well that makes (at least) 2 of us!

I can "only imagine" as well, since it is impossible to see anything at all in the photo.
Having the image horizontal and filling the frame might be slightly helpful.

At the moment it could just as well be abstract art from Picassos blue period, as a trackplan.
There seems little point at all in even posting it, since the purpose of it is totally defeated.

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Rob, Larry posted a large drawing of this plan on page 34 of my thread. I only added the blue water part. I imagine you probably missed it. Regards, Dave L.

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Here, Rob.  Dave L.

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Not exactly much of an improvement if you want to see anything relevant.

Probably best to post the original if you cant get a decent photo of the Picasso version.

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Hi Rob, Larry Gant here. Since you seem to be interested in my Chain of Rocks layout plan, I thought an explanation of the concept might be in order. 

I invision these islands to be located in one of the Great Lakes. The mining of a factious ore requires the little 30" gauge tramway. Since the waters around the islands are very rocky, no boats are able to dock there. Only one area is clear enough to build a long dock jutting out into the lake. Unfortunately, it is located at the farthest island from the ore deposit. So, the tramway was built to facilitate the mining operation.

I would like to see what you are doing in our wonderful hobby. Maybe you could post some photos if you are building a layout. Or, if you have a thread going, could you let me know where it is located.
Thanks,  Larry G





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Howdy Larry, this would be a cool layout for Gn15, would work as a 1:35n2. How large will it possibly be? I love the irregular plan, a lot cooler than just a rectangle. Looks like you might have a place for a small ship at the right side (on the plan) of the dock. What type of ore will be mined?


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Larry,

I like your plan.  Has many possibilities.  Since the railway is kind of an island hopper it could be built in sections (portable?) as time and money allow.

The feeling I got from the plan is that it might be located off the South American coast hauling guano (bat droppings) for fertilizer. 

1:35n2, Gn15, or maybe Gn9?


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I really like Larry's plan, too. I have designed many irregularly shaped layouts over the years, and actually built a large one for a client years ago.
The island concept is a great idea, one Larry has suggested before and would lend itself to a modular concept as Michael suggested above. Water, bridges, trestles over water, and wharfs and boats, OH MY! What fun. Regards, Dave L.

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Here is a display layout I saw at a train show.  Although large scale, the free standing concept built into a piece of furniture is nice to consider for a home layout-who needs a dining room, anyway?   Regards, Dave L.

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Hey guys,
If I had the space, I would have built the Chain of Rocks layout in Gn15. A half inch scale version of this idea would need to be built in a more linear way. This would then make it much more conducive to a modular approach as Michael suggested. 
The island group, with the dock scene, could become as large as 4'x8' for just that one scene. I'm afraid I would need to win a huge lottery to afford a house large enough to house such a layout. 
In the unlikely event of winning this mythical lottery, The Appetite deposit, in the Black Hills, would suddenly run dry and the mines and lodge shut down. The tramway would be removed and relocated to the islands. Maybe a new lodge would be built on a near by island as well.

It doesn't cost anything to daydream,   Larry G

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Larry, if your squares were 2x2 your space needed would be 12x16 for that layout in Gn15, I think, and would be fun to do. Regards, Dave L.

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Dave, the reach in distance needs to be no more than 24" for me. I would build the layout at about 48" off the floor so my modeling desk would fit under.
My ideal situation would be to have a separate room for my power tools, next to the train room. Then I wouldn't have to run up to the garage every time I had to do something messy.
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Larry, I know what you mean. I always had to build layouts in the workshop, too. When I started layout three I had the large room in which to work, but I was always running in to the saw or disc sander or drill press. Regards, Dave L.

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I am having the problem again of posting photos.  Today I got this message twice.  Can't anyone tell me why?  Is it my photos?  Thanks, Dave L.

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Try contacting your internet provider, maybe they can help.
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I thought some might like to see a project underway.  I was in the middle of converting an old Athearn Hustler to Gn15.  I just removed the original cab and fabricated a new one; It was a pretty simple job.  Thanks for looking, Dave L.

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Here the new cab is on the Hustler chassis.  Regards, Dave L.

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A final comparison of the "old" and the "new".  Dave L.

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I've posted this picture before, but here is the Gn15 Hustler and its chassis.  I hope it is oK to repost photos.  Regards, Dave L.

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David,


How well does that rubber band drive Athearn run?

I recall that they could hit "warp speed".

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They actually ran pretty well if you throttled them down. rubberband drives were Athearn's entry level locos for many of us old timers. Regards, Dave L.

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I tried to post some more photos of this project, but got that weird problem again. Dave L.

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Howdy David,

Did you try using the Freerails gallery?

When I want to post a photo,
I just upload it to my gallery and then paste it to my thread.

Easy and sleazy!

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I guess we all have projects on our someday list.  Here is one I've had for many, many years.  Ever since I saw this issue of MR I've wanted to build one of these coaling stations.  I've never gotten to it, but it would look great on the Fish Head layout.  What's on your list?  Regards, Dave L.



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THE IMAGES ARE COPYRIGHT OF THE PUBLISHER

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My vertical hoist is on my to-do list. I keep finding other projects that are not as challenging. 
Another project is installing the RC gear in my locos. I don't know what I'm doing so I keep putting it off.

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Hi, glad to be back after another stay in the hospital.  Did a lot of thinking, going back through all the years I have enjoyed this hobby.  I still have my very first train, a Varney set I got about 1956-7.  I get it out and display that first engine every now and then.  Yep, I know it is not on the track in the photo.  It no longer runs today as I think the magnet has decayed over the years. How many of you still have your first train?  Regards, Dave L.

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Still have my first powered train, a TRI-ANG two car suburban set, sitting on my bookcase. Still operational!

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Since that first train set in the 1950s I've dabbled in just about every scale and gauge over the years.  Some of you might remember the "Thatcher's Inlet" series in RMC in the 1970s and the project layout in HOn30.  Of course I had to dabble in that scale and gauge and just recently discovered the neat Mini-trains.  Although not working in HOn30, I bought some of these little passenger cars.  I converted one truck of this car so that I could run these little cars with my  N scale engines.  I have several N scale steam engines to convert to HOn30 using the parts from Shapeways, and these projects are on my to-do list.  I know I have to repair the broken truss rod that someone's big fat fingers broke.
HOn30 will never replace my love of Gn15, but it is something I once really enjoyed.  Thanks for looking, Regards, Dave L.

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Dave, 
I had great hopes of building a HOn30 layout too. I just might do a very small layout as a temporary diversion from Gn15. A few years back I bought one of the new Mini-Trains offerings from Big City Hobby. It ran ok so I built a 1' x 4' table top to do an experimental HOn30 layout. I bought several AHM sets after they stoped producing their line of HOn30 trains. The locos were only good for static display. So, I have a bunch of tram cares and one decent loco, all collecting dust. 
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The passenger car confuses me.

A rapido coupler and a european one. :P

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I was confused as to how an old Varney F Unit has anything to do with Gn15.
I think the answer to that one is it doesn't.

He's got the N-scale coupler on that HOn3 coach as his locos are N scale.
Same as having HO couplers on HO and On30 stuff in G scale I suppose.
It's totally out of scale but then so are the locos.
So I guess the theory is consistent.

The idea seems to be putting extra large cabs on locos from smaler scales.

Maybe you are confused as well since its completely off topic also.
I'm looking at this thread to see Gn15 and not mainline HO N scale and HOn30.

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Hey Rob, you must be looking for ideas for your own Gn15 layout. I'm sure we all would love to see what you are building.

I think you missed the obvious, Dave, and others, were simply being reminiscent for a very few postings.

Tramways have always been innovative in their operations. The equipment used can look very strange when compared to a "real railroad". Of course, tramways are real railroads. Some sort of motive power is used to move trains of small rail cars from one place to another. This is exactly what "real railroads" do, isn't it?

If you bother to do some research into the verious designs of tramway equipment, you will find that Dave's equipment is well within "normal" tramway design.

Larry Gant

PS, 
Rob, it might help if you could explain, exactly, what you consider genuine Gn15.
What should a credible Gn15 loco look like?  What should be used to construct such a loco?  Must it be totally scratch built?  What type of couplers are used on full size tramways?  I use hook and chain couplers on my layout, very prototypical on some tramways. Small size knuckle couplers and link and pin couplers are also used on full size tramways.
What should credible Gn15 cars look like? Should they have just four wheels or can they also have eight wheels?   About 99% of the cars on the Gillpin Tram had eight wheels.
 

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Thanks, Larry, for the support. I'll try to curtail any posts that are not directly connected with my Gn15 interest. My last hospital stay has set my recovery back quite a bit and I was just trying to still be active in this thread. Regards. Dave L.

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I've looked at some of the MinitrainS offerings and have considered HOn30 in the past.  Railway Recollections have some neat stuff.  HO is just a little too small for my eyes.

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Eh, as long as it's trains I'm happy. I was joking about the couplers.

I'm the guy using cut down horn hooks I have no real space to criticize. :P

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Hi Rob, all
as you go up in scale and down in gauge you'll find that post WW2 you can get sufficient power out of a relatively small engine block to move your train , but the human driving the train doesn't scale real well. You need a certain amount of cubic space to fit a driver and the controls into. That amount of cubic space for the cab is relatively bigger for model on narrow gauge tracks when compared to model on standard gauge tracks.

Have a look at "Albany" on 2' gauge at http://www.freerails.com/view_post.php?post_id=102891 Albany has a +100HP Detroit diesel under that small hood.

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Thanks, John, for the great photos.  I wonder what the Charles Co. would have done if they had purchased on of the Sandy River's engines?  I would model it in Gn15, of course, to keep it relevant to this thread.  Regards, Dave L. 

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Welcome home Dave, we missed you and the scent of fish head glue.

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Thanks, Larry.  It is good to be home again.  I was pleased to find a new vehicle for the Charles Co., a 1925 Ford Model T pick up, that my son found at a flea market.  It is a Sunstar model, I believe, and has steerable wheels, opening hood and door, and a complete chassis.  It is a nice model.  Regards, Dave L.

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I was going through old files today and found this photo taken on lauout #2.  I thought some might like to see it.  One of my diesels is pulling a flat loaded with crates.  Regards, Dave L.

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Anyone who has lain in a hospital or rehab facility for weeks on end,
and has a suspended ceiling above,
wonders what layouts could be made in 2x4 segments. 

Three sections (4x6) would make this little Gn15 water front layout. 

What do you think? 

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Dave L.





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"What do you think?"

Not really a very good design for a layout whatsoever.
For a layout without a runaround track, half your points are facing the wrong way.

To shunt any wagons on the harbor front,
you'd have to keep on going round and round and round the oval countless times.





It would be about 100% better if all the points were facing the same way.
You wouldn't need a runaround track then and wouldn't have problems shunting either.

I'd scrap it and start again.

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Awww now, figuring out how to switch such track is far more fun than re-doing the whole thing!
I have many such "things" on my layout but would I scrap it?
Unfortunately, real railroads aren't built with the switches laid the same way,
so I guess that to run something in a prototype fashion,
the BN & ATSF would need total track re-alignment!
Hmmmmm..

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Sorry.
It was just to be a little display layout to run some Gn15. 

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You can run two short trains, one in each direction, and each has two sidings to shunt into.
One train can be held in a siding while the other is running round the loop.

Wagons from one train could be held in the bottom right corner of the main line between the points,
and swapped between trains.

It's probably easier to operate with RC or DCC than DC, but it should be workable.


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"I have many such "things" on my layout but would I scrap it?"



I don't see any such "things" on your layout, anywhere on the trackplan.





There are no instances of points facing the wrong way shown on the plan.

The trackage on the left is laid out very sensibly and also has a runaround.
I can see it would allow fun and interesting, but not convoluted, shunting.

The area at the top has a handy runaround track which is very convenient.
So the siding off it can easily be shunted by trains coming from both directions.

The trackage on the right is also a well thought out area due to the runaround.
The two same direction sidings can be shunted easily by an incoming train.

I'd recommend that trackplan to anyone.
It's exceptionally well thought out.

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"You can run two short trains, one in each direction, and each has two sidings to shunt into.
One train can be held in a siding while the other is running round the loop."


One could shoot oneself in the foot, before embarking on a very long walk.
But you'd find the walk so much more pleasant if you chose not to.


"It's probably easier to operate with RC or DCC than DC, but it should be workable."


I don't think that the S.Charles Fish Head Glue Company has RC or DCC.
Wiring up the trackplan with poorly sited points for two train DC would be a nightmare.





The original plan is completely unworkable, whatever bodge-ups can be dreamed up.
Just swap the 2 wrong points directions, and you'd get a nice Inglenook with extra tracks.

The points on the left need their direction changed, and the siding can stay where it is.
The track inside of the oval needs its points direction changed, and siding on the left side.

Could be an interesting harbor front display and good for operations as well.
If the 2 wrong facing points were re-aligned as stated.

Rob


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Of course, we must take into account the designers original intent for this track plan.
It was not to be a layout for prototype operation.
It was simply a display layout, a place to run some Gn15 trains.
So, in the end, no sidings of any type are actually needed.
It really doesn't matter if the included turnouts are faceing or trailing, does it.

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Often a simpler track plan is better (less is more?). 

Woodie put a neat little layout together with a simple track plan.





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"Of course, we must take into account the designers original intent for this track plan.
It was not to be a layout for prototype operation."

Who's talking about prototype operation ?
I'm saying, give yourself a break & don't shoot yourself in the foot, before you even start.


"It was simply a display layout, a place to run some Gn15 trains.
So, in the end, no sidings of any type are actually needed."

I suppose you wouldn't need Einstein or Thomas Edison in then to do the wiring.
Anyway, he marked in 4 lots of points, so that's where his ideas obviously went.





"It really doesn't matter if the included turnouts are faceing or trailing, does it."

It does matter very much, unless you are trying to build a crap & inoperable layout.
No one wants advice on how to do that, when they could just as easily have a fun one.
 
Most people would consider that laying the points out well is an essential foundation.
Who wants to rip up & scrap expensive track because they didn't think it out very well ?

Rob


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"Often a simpler track plan is better (less is more?)."


Being able to actually see the track plan would certainly be more, much much more !
At the moment less is about right, thanks to PhotoBuckets special-effects ! 





"Woodie put a neat little layout together with a simple track plan."


What's it called ?
Desert dead rail in a sandstorm ?

Rob


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Dave asked for feed back on his track plan. You gave your opinion. 
Why the continuing insistence that his layout should be designed for sensible operation? 
Most pizza layouts are just a circle of track, no chance for any type of operation.
Maybe pizza layouts should never be built, trains can only run in circles.

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This is my last layout plan I'll post. 
It is a truly prototypical plan - a point to point; it has no turnouts. 
If one were to wire it for DC there would need to be a directional switch.   

Dave L.





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"Dave asked for feed back on his track plan. You gave your opinion."

Yeah that's correct, what else do I have other than my opinion ?
You got an issue with that ?


To quote him properly, he said

"What do you think?"

I told him I think he needs to scrap it,
or change the direction of 1/2 the points.


"Why the continuing insistence that his layout should be designed for sensible operation?"

My philosophy would be more like sensible design & fun operation.
The antithesis of crap design & inoperable layout.


"Most pizza layouts are just a circle of track, no chance for any type of operation.
Maybe pizza layouts should never be built, trains can only run in circles."

An interesting perspective of yours, I can't say I've ever given it much thought.
I guess with some sidings you can have some fun shunting cars about as well.

If you want a pizza, make a pizza, it's your choice bud.





Dave seems to be dreaming up some kinda hybrid 'OvaPizzNook' concept.
I think he's almost perfected it, if he changes the direction of 1/2 the points.

Rob


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Hey Rob,
This is a fun discussion we're having. 
This could be a good Pizza layout idea? 
There is a underground iron mine in Northern Minnesota (US) with a small circle of track.
A single, electric, "Larry Car" is run on this track.
It receives ore from the vertical hoist, runs it round to the crusher and dumps the ore into the crusher.
Then continues round the circle back to the hoist.
Meaningful operation, with no turnout points. 
If I'm remembering correctly, the track ran right through a small shed where the "Larry Car" was stored when not in use.
If Dave eliminated one facing point turnout and designated the other one as a siding to a loco shed,
the layout would then have a very workable operations scene, without a runaround loop.
Instead of bluntly advising the plan be scraped, I have chosen to suggest a way to adjust the plan.
A much more friendly way to give my opinion, right.

Larry G


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That plan is growing on me.
If I didn't already have far too many part built layouts, I might have a go at it!

In real life, the sidings facing the "wrong" way might have been shunted by hand, horse, gravity, or cable,
so there's scope for some experiments with animation!

I must resist the temptation!


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Hi Dave,

Back in post 429 you mentioned you wanted to do a vertical hoist.

They can be done - see

http://www.freerails.com/view_post.php?post_id=83510

This was in On30, but the same size wagon will work for Gn15,
just upsize the figures and use a low-height loco on the bottom deck.

A quick search for "Jaxciiliest Enterprises" should turn up more information pretty easily.

If you need any assistance building one of these,
I'll be around to lend a "virtual hand".

Hey, If I can build one, you can too.  ;)


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"Instead of bluntly advising the plan be scraped, I have chosen to suggest a way to adjust the plan"


In case you've been underground, mining for pizza ideas & missed my posts,
I already have suggested a way to adjust the plan & quite a number of times.

Just to correct your fairly poor quoting, of what I have already been posting,
I bluntly advised the plan be scraped, OR change the direction of 1/2 the points.
I even went on to describe exactly which points & how they should be changed.





"the layout would then have a very workable operations scene, without a runaround loop."

I don't think the original plan needs a runaround loop IF the 2 points I suggested are reversed.
Runaround loops are OK IF you have lots of space & want to use up lots of extra points.
The sensible design changes I suggested to avoid scrapping the plan don't need one though.


"underground iron mine in Northern Minnesota (US) with a small circle of track."

Congratulations on designing your small circle !
I got one for Christmas years ago.
It was very easy to wire up.
By Boxing Day I wished Santa had left me the expansion-pack as well though.
I had to wait all the way until my Birthday for that.
It was torture !


"Of course, we must take into account the designers original intent for this track plan.
It was not to be a layout for prototype operation."

Yes, as I said previously, I haven't mentioned designing a layout for prototype operation.
Any idea could be used depending on what you like, his plan is clearly a harbor.
The track plan can be an 'abstract' or topology, for scenery to individual taste !


"It receives ore from the vertical hoist, runs it round to the crusher and dumps the ore into the crusher.
Then continues round the circle back to the hoist."

Anyway since you're talking of "meaningful operation" I guess your mines plan saves reverse gear.
The single, electric, "Larry Car" operator might stay sane with a handful of Tramadol a day !
I'll look back in a week.


"A much more friendly way to give my opinion, right."

I'm sure you are a really friendly guy, I have no doubt, you don't have to convince anyone.
As for me, I'm not looking to date the guy, or be his bestest good buddy for life.
I'm just saying what I think of his track plan.
As he asked.


That bold lettering you use is a lot of fun !
Thanks for introducing me to it buddy !

Rob


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Hi all,

Some ancient history, Gn15 was originally designed as a way of modelling extreme narrow-gauge railways,
based on some 15" gauge estate or farm railways as originally developed in the UK.
The original idea was to use LGB 1/22.5 figures with HO tracks and mechanisms to represent 15" track gauge.

Over time, 1/24 scale on HO tracks representing 18" gauge crept in under the Gn15 banner,
as another workable minimum-gauge model railway system.
This opened up the use of 1/24 scale model automotive and doll-house accessories for use around the tracks.

As a longtime member of a 1:1 scale 2'gauge railway museum, the important thing to realise,
is that each industry/outfit chose its own standard for couplings and coupling height.
There is no single standard for ultra narrow-gauge railways.
At the museum we had at least 5 different coupling types and with different diameter wheels,
caused at least as many coupling height variations, causing shunting situations like this





Gn15 is big enough to successfully use chains/cables for towing vehicles into sidings with facing turnouts.
Trains were usually short so it is also feasible that the loco could remain trapped,
while the few wagons on these short trains were loaded and unloaded.
Often the loco driver would be the loader or unloader.
This type of an minimum-gauge outfit is usually railroading at its "most basic".

Forget about fixed signals, radios and most other safety systems used on standard-gauge railways.
Often these lines operated under "line of sight" rules at slow speeds (sub-20 mph).
But they could often do more quicker over often dodgy ground conditions than a horse and cart,
or early road vehicles available at the time.

Frankly, I like all the plans suggested.
They all have more pluses than minuses when operated as minimum-gauge railways.


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Rob, I am a friendly guy,
always try to be civil, never blunt or rude and seldom combative.
I do enjoy a stimulating conversation though. 

We've hijacked Daves thread long enough,
why don't we go over to your thread or my thread (Appetite Mine).

We could talk about the pitfalls of my design.
I do have a couple of strange situations. 

Larry


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" We've hijacked Daves thread long enough "


Dave has been posting lots of his layout plan drawings to discuss for a while

If people are discussing them which is what is happening here

Where is the hi-jack or off-topic ?


It all seems relevant to me

Good to have all this interesting stuff being posted





It keeps my brain from going on vacation !


:f:


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Wonderful, Mr Nice guy, let us continue the discussion at hand. 

I want to thank oztrains for reminding us of the type of railway we are talking about here.
Dave's plan is not of a cross country railroad serving several towns, it's of a closed circuit tramway.
Oztrains also correctly points out the get-er-done, one way or another, nature of tramway operations.
Of course the loco could remain trapped while the cars are loaded or unloaded. 

With this in mind, nothing on Dave's plan needs to be changed, it's golden, just the way Dave designed his plan. 

Larry G


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:dt:  :doh:


Not one you'll find in any of the '101 Best Trackplans' books. :us:
Probably not even in a '1,000,001 Best Trackplans' book. 

It's a nice enough 5-min doodle on a scrap of paper.
I've done lots of those kind of trackplan drawings over the years.
But the $64,000 Dollar Question is ... Is it gonna get the 'Go Ahead' ?
 
I doubt it.  :td:

I chatted to a Member with opposing direction switches on their layout.  :f:
They really weren't very happy with the layouts operational situation at all. 
But as they were more of a modelmaker, than an operator, had not spotted the problem.

The offending poorly designed trackwork and most of the layout it was on,
is now in his dumpster !
There is absolutely no sense in having switches laid in an opposing fashion.  :old dude:
Especially when you could have the same oval & 4-switches, laid in a good way.
People who probably draw a number of 'iterations' of their trackplan will spot the problem.  :brill:
But not everyone will, especially beginners.
So it's good to say WATCH OUT !!



:shocked:



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In our local model railway group in my town, we have about six members,
and often discussions start about how to improve each others layout.

Some are good suggestions and some are fanciful,
but when they start giving me improvement ideas I reply with my usual answer....

It's my layout, I designed it, I operate it, I'll do what I like, I like it and it's staying that way...
(all said in a humorous way)

The feelings amongst the group is that each person has his own layout,
and he can do what he likes, even if we think it can be improved.

...Peter.

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" It's my layout, I designed it, I operate it, I'll do what I like, I like it and it's staying that way "


Hi Peter  :wave:


Arh ! ... That familiar old mantra !  ;)


Good for you anyway Peter.  :thumb:
It is yours, you did design it, you do operate it, you've done what you like & you like it.
Well done, I think it all looks great by the way.

What we are looking at here though, hasn't made it past 5-mins on a scrap of paper.  :time:
I absolutely know for sure that your 'layout' has taken YEARS to evolve into what it is.

If there is any 'real' design at all in this trackplan, as in truly purposeful thought & action,
it's a 'back of a fag packet' or 'on a beermat' doodle at best,
& doesn't actually even exist in reality, like yours does, to be tested out.

Big difference.  L:





Which is why I could never sincerely recommend this 'design' to anyone,  :f: 
without serious comment, on the huge drawbacks, to the majority of potential takers.

Sure, 'design' your dream layout to be what you like.
But make sure it actually works, before building dumpster filler !

More drawn 'iterations' to find what is best, saves a lot of $$$ and tears.  :sad:
That is what I would personally call 'design'.
A process of discovery !



:shocked:



Si.

 

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Si,

My past layout have always been built on designs starting from doodles to serious drawings,
and even to laying out track to make sure everything will fit.

On my current layout, the NI&E, pencil has hardly touched paper. 
Maybe one or two very rough drawings for the San Miguel yard. 
Other than that I kind of just lay rail and figure out things as I go.

Other than maybe adding a run-around track I don't have issues with the plan. 

Keep it simple and just enjoy.


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Don't forget, we are discussing the merits of a tramway design.
It really doesn't matter if it was drawn on a scrap of paper,
or drawn by the most high powered computer on the face of the earth.
It also does not matter if this layout will ever be built by anyone on this planet.
The merits of the design is what we are debating. 

I was fortunate to experience, the last few tramway operations, in my area, first hand.
There was a 2' gauge tie treating operation, two 2' gauge brick making operations,
and a 3' gauge clay pipe operation.
Also, the remnants of a third 2' gauge brick plant tramway.
Each one was different from the others.
There is no such thing as a standard way to design a tramway. 

At the tie plant, most of the turnouts were facing point, except for two trailing points.
One was part of a crossover between two parallel tracks.
The other was at the end of a passing track.
The tram cars were hand pushed through these two turnouts.
This line had NO couplers.
Cars were either pushed forward or pulled backwards by a cable hooked to the last car.
The two brick plants and the clay pipe line did not have a loco, at all.
All the cars were pushed by hand, one at a time. 

The remnants of the third brick plant clearly showed two seperate, 2' gauge operations.
The clay mining line had a 4 wheel internal combustion loco.
At the clay pits, the tram cars were lowered down a incline on a cable.
Once loaded, the cars were pulled back up the incline on that same cable.
The other line had NO loco.
All cars were hand pushed, one at a time. 

Tram lines around the world were or are built to get the job done as efficiently as possible.
Each industry has their own idea of what that might look like.
Two companies, producing the same product,
might have tramways that are very different from the other. 

At the end of the day, debating the merits of a tramway design is subjective at best.

Larry Gant 


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" On my current layout, the NI&E, pencil has hardly touched paper. 
Maybe one or two very rough drawings for the San Miguel yard. 
Other than that I kind of just lay rail and figure out things as I go "
If you're laying rail and figuring out things as you go, that's a chance for 'practical testing'.  :old dude:
But I'm guessing even then, working with your 1:1 real materials, problems have occurred.
I think you trashed the San Miguel yard v1.0 you made, if I recall correctly.





" Other than maybe adding a run-around track I don't have issues with the plan "

Yes ... Well NOT having added a run-around track & having 50/50 opposing switches IS the issue.  :P
So it sounds very much to me, like you have a MAJOR issue with the plan & wouldn't build it.
That to me, is totally understandable & I doubt anyone who thinks about it would either.

The real point about the blindingly obvious disadvantages of the doodle, is they CAN be fixed.  :)
It's already been said, the cure is just reverse 2 of the 4 switches & a run-around isn't needed.
From my perspective, it's doing a dis-service to beginners, not to point out the plans big problems.


" Keep it simple and just enjoy "
That's exactly what is being suggested here, to keep things very simple, but operable.  L:
Why bother having the needless complexity of a switch & space eating run-around track,
when you can still do the whole thing with just 4 switches, IF they are laid correctly.



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Si,

Not a major issue doing without a run-around track...just my personal preference.  
I once had a Lionel bump trolley on about six feet of track (space available was very limited)...
about as simple as you can get.


Larry,

Looking for inspiration for tram layouts:

http://www.carendt.com/micro-layout-design-gallery/industrial-trams-page-1/

http://www.carendt.com/micro-layout-design-gallery/traction-tramways/

http://www.carendt.com/micro-layout-design-gallery/a3-sized-layouts/

I'm sure there are many more out there.


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Thanks Michael, I sometimes look in on that micro layout site. 


Si, 

Dave's layout plan is of a closed circuit Tramway, not a common carrier railroad.  

If you haven't read Oztrains posting or my recent posting, you might give them a look-see.
We have both talked about the get-er-done nature of tramway operations.

Hand pushing tram cars is very common.
Stopping on the "main line" to load or unload some cars is also common.
A locomotive trapped in a siding while cars are loaded or unloaded is also done on tramways.

Operating a tramway layout in the way of a tramway can be a lot of fun.

A locomotive isn't even needed on some tram lines,
just push the cars around with a stick. 

Having turnouts facing the "wrong way" is not a problem on a TRAMWAY.

Larry G

                                

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" Not a major issue doing without a run-around track...just my personal preference "


For sure Michael, many people would want to have a run-around track, if they like those.  :cool:

But without changing the original number of switches in the simple harbour doodle,  L:
just keeping the original 4 switches & the oval, but correcting the operational problems,
keeps every part of the track, not bigger nor smaller, but without the trapped loco nightmare.





If the poor laying of switches, was for beneficial operational purpose, it might make sense,  :Crazy:
but since no beneficial purpose is the least bit obvious, why build a frustrating track ?
As I said just a short while ago, a Member here had done just that, & dumpstered the lot !

:doh: 

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Part of the fun is designing your own layout and building it.

Any mistakes, do cost time and money.

But you learn from it and move on,
as I and many thousands have.

A singer once sung a song....
And I did it my way. 

:dt:

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Dave L

I went back through this thread and just wanted to say that your locos are really cool. 
I think your modeling skills are top notch. 

I came into this thread at the tail end, which is kinda focused on track design. 
There's a lot of discussion about hand done drawings, and design mistakes regretted after laying track. 
I also enjoy doodling, but I've become a firm believer in working out the design as much as possible,
before laying any track.
 
My recent experience with layout design, opened my eyes to the value of computer design.
And I'm surprised I don't hear more about it in this group.  
I used a program called AnyRails to design the layout,
including building placement and basic scenery, as well as the benchwork. 

When I thought I had the track design right,
I transferred it over to TrainPlayer and ran digital trains on it, to test operations. 
I found some changes were needed, specifically turnout direction and length of sidings. 

I went back to AnyRails and made the changes,
then tested it all out again on TrainPlayer, until I was satisfied I had a working and enjoyable design. 

This process is pretty simple and would work well for any layout design, from small to large. 
The programs, or apps, are simple enough for even a dinosaur like myself. 
AnyRail even gives you a list of track sections and turnouts, which helped in my decision to hand-lay track,
instead of using ready made, based on cost.

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We need to keep this in mind... we are critiquing a tramway design.
Tramways are unique among the border field of railroading.
Many operational oddities exist if compared to a common carrier railroad. 

Turnouts facing the "wrong way" are not a problem on a tramway,
such as the design we are considering here. 

Tramways are unique!

Many things affect the design of a tramway.  
Physical space for the trackage, the ruling grade,
available funding, special situations such as being on an island.

And the big one... GOVERNMENT REGULATIONS.
In the full size world, what regulations could affect the design or the building of any type of rail line, not just a tramway.
Taking into account, possible government regulations, can add a bit more realism to the design of any layout.  

Will the builders of your rail line be able to secure building permits for structures over water, such as bridges or docks.
Proximity to housing, schools, hospitals or bodies of water could be an issue as well. 

The era you're modeling will have an effect on what might be allowed.
In the 1800s you could do a lot more things than you could today.
Environmental concerns were almost nonexistent back then.
Today a large project would need to file an environmental impact statement.
Public hearings might also be required. 

The back story of my Appetite Mine layout says the trackage was built way back in the early 1900s.
Back then, tunneling right through a couple "needles", as I have done, would not have been a problem.
Today, a permit to dig such tunnels would never see the light of day. 

Just a few more things to consider when designing any model railroad. 

Larry G


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Thanks, Tom, for the kind words. 

I've been building layouts for sixty years and found that designs on paper,
don't always work out in reality. 

Very early on I found that drawing the design out in full size on paper,
eliminated a lot of possible mistakes. 

While still teaching I could "doodle" the designs on transparencies,
and project full size on the blackboard/craft paper, to see any problems. 

As a partner of a professional layout design/building business,
doing this saved us a lot of time and effort (and mistakes). 

Clients liked to see full size renderings, too. 
Even now as I play with Gn15 designs (doodles), it is fun to see them full size. 

Copies of turnouts pasted on the designs,
help with the final track arrangements, too.

Regards, Dave L.





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Here a photo shows a copied turnout on a layout design.  Dave L.

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Good idea, make as many copies as you need. 

That loco looks interesting, could you show a closer shot, please.

Larry G

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Sorry, Larry. I couldn't post a photo. Sorry, that loco lives in Philadelphia with a good friend. Regards, Dave L

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I know I've talked about model vehicles on this forum, but I want to remind you that promotional banks are often offered by outfits such as Ace Hardware and Agway.  Despite their gaudy paint jobs these models can be quite well done and are seen about this time of year.  these all started as such examples and are quite nice  once repainted.  Regards, Dave L.

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This little Chevy pickup is one of my favorites; the bank is hidden in the load.  A repaint and dull coat made a nice model.  Thanks for looking, Dave L.

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David,

I've found a number of such vehicles in a variety of scales,
at such places as Walgreens and Rite Aid. 

1/32 scale vehicles work fine for 1/35 scale layout. 
1/45 scale vehicles are fine for O scale.

You can also find them on fleabay.


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Michael, you are correct.  There are a lot of vehicles out there in many scales.  Here is an example from Amazon.  Regards, Dave L.

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I'm wishing everybody has a great new year in 2020.  Remember to enjoy everyday and do some modeling, no matter how small a project.  Here the Charles Co.s Porter is getting ready to run some track maintenance supplies to end of line.  Regards, Dave L.

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Gee, Larry's posts about his tub car really got me excited and started my thinking of all the possibilities.  Thanks, Larry, for the inspiration.    Regards, Dave L.

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Dave, I think you need to remove the cover from that container to get a better idea of how it would look. Paint it a suitable color and rust it up a bit. If you do these few things, it should make a convincing car for haulling fish head glue products.


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Agree, the 28 Chevy is one of my favorites.  With a repaint and some dust it no longer looks like the bank it is.

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Bob, that's a great repaint. Tell me about the vehicle next to it. Regards, Dave L.:Salute:

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Back when Ace Hardware was closing out their Graham truck banks I bought a few and cut one down to make a pickup.  It was the hardest metal to cut, and I wore out a few hackwaw blades doing it.  Research showed me that Graham did indeed have a pickup version.  Too bad the grill and radiator of this one ended up on another project.  Some day I'll fix it.  Regards, Dave L.

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I like the weathering job you do on your vehicles.


I keep a strip of paper folded up in my wallet with a scale ruler printed on it (in my case 1/35 scale).  Whenever I run across a vehicle, figure, etc. that looks interesting I can pull out my short paper ruler to measure the item and see if it will work.

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I have an avid interest in vintage trucks and the modeling of them, and as a result I have a large collection of reference material, including my favorite, American Truck & Bus Spotter's Guide 1920-1985 by Tad Burness. 

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It takes each brand and covers the different models through the years.  Used copies are available on Amazon, but with a different cover, probably an earlier version.  Thanks for looking, Dave L.

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If you are modeling a café or sidewalk eatery here is a sign that might be useful.  Sorry, I can't pinpoint the year.  Can anyone help?  Regards, Dave L.

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Hi All, anyone modeling a waterfront and has a restaurant in the scene might be able to use some of these.  Regards, Dave L.

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Dave,
My Dad and uncle owned a cafe near downtown Minneapolis in the early 70s. These next ftwo shots are of their menu from back then.Their prices seem to be aprox the same as the sign you posted.
My dad's name was Phillip, hence the name of the cafe... PhIL UP LUNCH.
Larry

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and the prices...
I managed to cut off the right side prices, sorry about that.


LG

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WOW...a cheeseburger with pickles & onions for $.50...I am trying to contact Mr. Peabody with his "way back machine" to see if I can get back in time...but then I'd need to get to Minnesota somehow.

Will let you know later...

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I don't mean to create any controversy, but a fellow poster sent me a part to build a new car for the Charles Co.  Boric acid is transported in a powder and must be mixed with water to make a  solution used in fish head glue.  Here, the mixing tub and transport car is handled with one piece of equipment.  I'll make a new frame for the tub.  Thanks for looking, Dave L.





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Dave,


I'm working on another ore car.  Someone suggested covering up the corner-end bracing so I thought I would give that a try.

Once I make more progress I'll post a photo.

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Michael, I would like to see a photo. Thanks, Dave L.

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Test.  Dave L.



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Here is a borax tub with the end bracing covered.  It's sitting on a flat car just for photos.


I used some very thin styrene to wrap around the corners and just epoxied it on.

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Nice work! Actually, I like both versions. Thanks for posting. Regards, Dave L.

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Something I used to do in N scale but is applicable in all scales is building towns or scenes on a separate piece of material and adding the finished portion to the layout.  Benefits are you are working at the workbench instead of on the layout, and the scene is removable should you need to change, refresh, or (yikes!) salvage it.  Regards, Dave L.



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I like the covered corners, looks good, now for some rust.  :2t:

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"a fellow poster sent me a part to build a new car"





I'd be careful that Homeland-Insecurity don't find out about that U.S.Postal-Service terror!
If caught and not even fairly convicted, you could get forever in Guano-Tonamo-Box prison.

Looks like the "Larry Car" driver didn't drop the wireless-active-waste down a mine shaft after all.
It's back, and they are multiplying out of control, onto innocent layouts, and mutating into meat stew!

Since the active Gn15 critics society here, are so fast to quickicize any aesthetic appraisal,
instead of their rude-names, I thought I'd invent some road-names for the wonky wagons.




Unappetizing Aggregates A.G.
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Darth Vader Persistent Plastic Products Ltd.
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Mad Cow Meat Packing & Sauce Inc.
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and last but not least, the newly mutated model of, the load that launched a thousand lumpen




Guano-Tonamo Boxed Bat Compost Co.
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Food for thought, the road-names I mean, not the Death-Stars bat compost and meat stew prison dinners!

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Don't laugh...
I found a set of plastic food measuring spoons,
that had one spoon that is the right size and shape for a slag car in my scale.
Now, if I just could justify having several sets of those spoons missing one in each set,
I'd build more slag cars.
I'll find a photo or take one...

That ravioli container looks to be perfect for some kind of car...
plus you can have a snack in the process.

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"Don't laugh..."


I wouldn't even dare for a single minute!
The attack of the zombie ore wagons is what modellers nightmares are all about!

You swipe them real hard with a baseball-bat and only their couplers fall off.
You hit them hard again and there's no sign of any serious rivet damage at all.

There are no rivets to damage!

They just keep on coming towards you in that un-dead lumpen lumbering fashion.
There's nothing you can do, until your layout is overrun with un-dead plastic bins.

The zombie ore wagons are coming for you!
Be scared, very very scared!

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There are most likely many food and other containers, that with some work,
could become credible rolling stock on a tramway.

If your timeline is after rivets were no longer used,
there would be no need to simulate rivets.

I'm not sure when welded construction came to be favored over rivets.
Anyone know the answer to that question?

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A quick search shows that welding was making many advancements in the early 1900s.

During WWII Henry Kaiser was launching ships like crazy,
because he built ships in sub-assemblies and welded instead of riveting.

Don't we often tweak history to fit our needs?


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So I guess rivet counting must go back many, many years.

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I was at a local CVS today and they had some toy cars on sale,
including a 1940 Ford Pickup 1/24 scale for $12.99. 

I know not all CVS stores carry the same thing,
but might be worth checking out.


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Thanks for the heads up, Michael.

Regards, Dave L.


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I came across this and it might be interesting to some.  Regards, Dave L.



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Here are some signs from my collection.  OK to print them out to use on the layout.  Regards, Dave L.



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Here the company's largest loco, #9, is about to transverse twelve inch radius track.

The loco was built on an Athearn GP 9 chassis. 

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Thanks Dave,

I put signs like these in my photo file,
even if I have no immediate use for them.

Never know when I might find a use for such things.

Loco #9 looks great,
very neat workmanship.

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Dave,

Did you have to do any modifications to get #9 to handle 12" radius curves?

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Michael, no.

It handled the curve without modification.

Thanks for asking.

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I would like to pass on a tip for great head light lenses. 

I found that the rubber bumpers sold for cabinet door cushions are great for this use.

I use the 13mm, clear ones for my headlights. 

They are self sticking, but I use a little Aleens's Tacky Glue to secure them. 

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I remembered another headlight fix.
If MAGLIGHT flashlights are still made,
I ordered lenses and reflectors for one of their smallest lights.
They had several sizes at the time and one of them fit exactly,
into an O scale PSC old time box headlight and a Silver City light also.
The lenses fit like they were made for the lights and the reflectors were the same.
I am pretty sure that they had some for 1:25 size...
I remember that I got 6 of each (lenses and reflectors) for less than $2.
Check them out also.

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Good tip.

Thanks, Woodie.

PS:
Check out reproduction headlights for Lionel, Ives, etc..
That was my source for my headlights.

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I dug out some of those reproduction headlights. 

They have an opening underneath so that wires for a bulb can be run,
and a screw to attach the unit to the body. 

Thanks for looking.  Dave L.



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Here are more signs from my collection. 

Feel free to use them on the layout. 

Regards, Dave L. 





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I've added a new diecast to the collection, but was startled to find the candy apple paint job. 

I'll try a coat of Dullcoat first and make the top black to see the affect. 

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Dave,

I know next to nothing about antique cars.

Were tires all white back in the day?

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Congratulations Dave on using the Freerails Members Gallery !

Great to see someone making the effort to post their photos properly

I thought you could get Larry to use the superb Members Gallery as well


What happened after all that great coaching I gave you ?

Last post was back to the old Attachments

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Oh well at least it wasnt a PhotoBucket Flickr or Imgur disappearing photo post


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Sorry, Eddie.


I do miss the number of downloads shown, when posting photos through the Gallery.

It is fun to see what interests folks as judged by that number.


I'll continue to use the Members Gallery for posting photos.

It is easy, once one understands the simple process.


But, how do you get multiple photos in a post?

I haven't figured that out yet.


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Larry,

Tires had carbon black added to the natural rubber (which is white) to strengthen the tire.

This happened in the early 1900s.

The model should probably have black tires, but I like the look of the white.

Regards, Dave L.


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" I do miss the number of downloads shown, when posting photos through the gallery.

It is fun to see what interests folks as judged by that number "



That number which appears next to photo 'Attachments' is totally meaningless


Your Thread has had 41,000 Page views in total

Most of those are Page views from non-Members of the Site


And the fact is that because those non-Members basically see no 'Attachments'

It is unlikely they will click on more than a Page or two of Posts seeing no photos

They will just quickly give up and go and look at a Thread with photos to see


Freerails often has the best part of nearly 1,000,000 Page views per month

Most views are by non-Members who wont bother looking if there are no photos to see

Your 41,000 Page views in total would be WAY more if photos had not been 'Attachments'


At least you are actually uploading your photos to Freerails though which is good

The huge gaps left by lost photos from users of PhotoBucket Flickr and Imgur are terrible


As for your question about Posting multiple photos in 1 Post

I already answered in my reply to your ' - FREERAILS FORUM TECHNICAL HELP - ' question

Your Question About Photo Posting Answered Here


You simply REPEAT the process outlined in that answer

Which is also outlined in the main Thread in the 'Photo Posting' Forum also

You can go back and read those replies again they are always there to read if it helps


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Thanks.

I've re-read it and will try it.

Regards, Dave L.


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Eddie

Still having a problem,
trying to load multiple photos in a post.

After the first photo is there,
I go back to the Gallery to choose a second photo,
and I lose the post.

What am I doing wrong?

Can I copy two photos from the Gallery at one time,
and put both in the post?

Thanks, Dave L.


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I open the Gallery in a new window,

so I keep my new post open.


Then I can copy and paste as many images as I want.



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Just as John has said and the instructions also state


If you have your Main Reply Window open in 1 browser tab

Then your Members Gallery Window open in a 2nd browser tab

You simply switch between them both to COPY and then PASTE


Also 1 photo per Post is really totally fine as well

Better to have one good photo well described than many not so

More than 10 to 20 photos on a Page for slow connections is a drag


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As my layout is set in 1935 I wanted my vehicles to have  license plates for that year.  Today, with the internet, it would be an easy task to find the year and state plates for your vehicles.  Since most plates measure a foot in width that scales out to a half inch (in 1:24).Find the right plates on the net, save on the computer, print out and resize on a copier.  I did this a few years ago and had them done at a copy shop.  Research will show if you need plates front and back.  Regards, Dave L. 






 

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One of the reasons I joined Freerails was to see the photos.
If non members can see all the photos, why bother joining.

If they don't, they will not be adding any threads, or comments on existing threads.
If current thread owners slack off or quit posting, there is no one to take their place.

If there are fewer active threads, come fewer new members.
If there are fewer new members then fewer new threads, etc.

I think a bit of mystery is a good thing.
It gives non members a reason to join Freerails,
to see all the photos.

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S. Charles"s cousin was visiting when this photo was taken.  Regards, Dave L. 



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David-you gots some cool figures.

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Thanks, Woodie. 

I hope to have a boat landing on the layout some day,
and this scene has always been my inspiration. 

I've mentioned steamboats in this thread before,
and hope to build a model for the layout. 

Regards, Dave L. 





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One of my layout plans had provision for a steamboat landing.  Dave L. 



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Here is the perfect little steamer for a model.  Regards, Dave L. 



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I'm always looking for inspiration for small Gn15 layouts,
and have posted some ideas here in this thread. 

Here is a "real" reason for a little layout, a brewery. 

Notice the little loco on the railway,
and the "two horsepower engine" in the left of the photo. 

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From the brewery to suppliers by truck.  Dave L.



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Here is some beer advertising from my collection. 

If you try modeling a Gn15 brewery PM me,
and I can try for some better scans. 

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Beer ads are so colorful.  Here are a few more.  Regards, Dave L. 



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The Phase II borax ore car (the black one) is done.





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I really like it!   :Salute:

How many will eventually be on the roster?

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I'll probably make another three.  That will give me 8 borax cars total.

I have another borax tipple planned for on a future extension.



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Michael

Will your cars carry unprocessed borax, or the final, powered material? 

I'm curious about this industry. 

Thanks, Dave L.  


PS-found this early photo.   





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Michael

I'm not sure of the scale of these old kits from the early 1960s,
but may be close to your 1:35 scale. 

It would be cool to have some old wagons sitting around your tipple
(not sure of the time period your modeling). 

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The zombie plastic ore bins are back?





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The old 20 Mule Team kit is "1:48" scale (or close enough).
Yep, I have a couple of the old ore wagons, one cut down, on my layout as well as the water wagon.
The mules are great 1:35 donkeys also.
The figures are too small for my scale but look great in O scale.
I had one of these old kits when I was a kid, ordered from the old "Death Valley Days" TV show, it was $1.50
Much later, I bought one on "de net" for about $25 and saw some for as much as $50 or more!
An old friend gave me a kit, that he had taken the figures and one wagon...
of course I appreciated it!

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David,

The ore cars carry unprocessed borax to what I call "the dump" at San Miguel.
 
Some initial crushing is done there,
and then the borax is loaded into boxcars in raw form,
on the yet un-named 42"gauge railroad that connects with the Tonopah & Tidewater.


This is similar to the operations at Ryan in Death Valley. 

Ore came in on the two-foot "baby gauge",
then transferred to cars on the Death Valley Railroad (3 footer),
then on to the Tonopah & Tidewater.


I've always meant to pick up one of those 20 Mule Team kits,
but just haven't gotten a round tuit. 

The mules and wagons would work fine in 1/35 scale. 
Even though I model in the late 1930s it would still work for me. 

I did pick up one lone mule from the kit,
and have it hauling a salt car to Scotty's Salt.


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Thanks, Michael.

It is an industry I didn't know a lot about, it is a perfect choice for modeling.

How is it to be transported in the boxcars?   Bags, barrel?

I found this photo of a mine. 

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David,

The borax would be loaded with a chute through the box car door. 
The door would be blocked off about half way up.
 
Way back when, grain would often be shipped the same way. 
The borax could also be shipped in open hoppers.
 
The Tonopah & Tidewater didn't own many freight cars,
and most of them were box cars. 
So the borax was either shipped in box cars or foreign road hoppers.

I did read where at one borax mine,
the ore was hauled up a 45 degree shaft in 50 gallon barrels.

Some of this is just supposition on my part. 
At least until I can uncover more information.

There is a planned expansion of "the dump" at San Miguel to included,
a freight platform and a loading chute to fill the 42" gauge box cars.


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I found some old photos of layout #3. 
I was still trying out track placement. 

There was a joint between the two sections of the layout,
falling in the water area. 

There were removable bridge sections to connect track eventually.  

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The track plan eventually evolved,
and I needed a long bridge to cover the expanse of water. 

These are old Atlas Pony Bridge extension kits in a trial position. 

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The engine service area was finalized here.  Dave L. 



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The joint between the two halves is visible here. 

I was still playing with track position. 

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Here are some signs from my collection. 

They are automotive in nature and date to the 1920s. 

OK to save and use on the layout. 

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When having a new hard drive put in the computer,
we found some photos taken of the building of my second Gn15 layout. 

I thought some might be interested in seeing how I built it. 
I began my drawing out the track plan full size on large craft paper. 

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I chose two inch foam for water areas and Luan plywood for track baseboard. 

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A wooden framework was built. 

I over killed using 1x4s because I anticipated taking the layout to shows. 

I was to find that it created a very heavy layout in the end. 

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The two inch foam was cut to fit the water areas. 

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The Luan plywood was cut to size,
and the track plan was transferred to the wood. 

I use carbon paper to trace the plan to the wood. 

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In this shot track and foam were installed,
and some of the pier detail started. 

The water effect happened by accident. 
I sprayed the foam black with the cheapest Walmart rattle can paint,
and the solvent in the paint caused the result you see. 

I planned to later paint these areas with another color. 

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As I said, the layout was too heavy to make it truly portable,
and this was as far as I got on this layout. 

I decided to cease work,
and think about a different way to go. 

Thanks for looking. 
I've posted some photos of layout #3 under construction. 

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This is the last photo of layout #2,

before I started to remove track and demolishing the base.  

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For a long time I searched for a material to represent louvers in the grills of my engines.

One day as I tried to swat a fly, I noticed the "louvers" design of the swatter. 

An investment of $0.98 got me a fresh one to cut up. 

I have enough material for many, many diesels. 

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Great idea.


Since I need louvers right now,

I'll have to make a trip to the hardware store.


Thanks for the tip, Dave.

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Bigger locomotives can work on larger layouts. 

The Charles Co.'s #9 was built over an Athearn GP9 chassis,

and can handle larger trains. 

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Got me a fly swatter for future projects.

Great idea!



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Yep.

Bits and pieces show up in the strangest places.

I have boxes of all sorts of things.

I like to take old, broken electronic calculators apart for those bits, for example.

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Here's that engine under construction,

just after I added the grill parts from that fly swatter. 

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Parts come from the strangest places....

Just like Glue does....

Fish head glue company.

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When I first got interested in Gn15,
I began to collect photos of locomotives, rolling stock,
anything that interested me and might end up on a Gn15 layout. 

Surfing the net,
and culling through hundreds of old model train magazines,
gave me a lot of material. 

Today I am filling a second three inch binder,
that now includes aviation, nautical, vehicles, and structures. 

While not able to work on projects right now,
it is fun to go back and imagine the fun I would have,
working on at Gn15 layout using ideas from my notebooks. 

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Like you I've collected up much.


I have file boxes with file folders arranged to hold everything from auto to zoo...

Articles taken from modeling magazines going back to the 40's... I have 5 of them all full...

Plus 5 large totes of old RMC MR and Timber Times and last but not least NG&SLG.


They are fun to go through on occasion...

Particularly when you don't have the energy or motivation or health to work on a project!!


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My stash of NG&SLG goes back to the 1970s.

Every few years I go through all of them,
thinking of great projects.

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Figuring that all that fish head glue, would need to be stored,
before being transported out in tank cars.

The Company would need storage tanks. 
I started with empty cans and glued craft sticks to them. 

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Almost finished here. 
I just need to cover the tops and add hatches. 

I use Aleene's Tacky Glue for almost all gluing jobs. 
It dries clear and is slightly flexible. 
I get it in the craft section at Walmart. 

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Dave

Been enjoying your tips on building locos. 


I've got a SW1500 on the workbench that is getting converted to 1:35n2 

Thinking of using a Lionel cab to replace the HO one.


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Michael

Sounds like a fun project.


Can you share a photo here with us?

What make is the HO engine?


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Here is a doodle of a conversion of a GP 9. 

Are you thinking of something like this? 

Will you have to enlarge the Lionel cab a bit to make it 1:35n2 ? 

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Sorry, I couldn't help but doodle your SW 1200, with a larger cab and headlight. 

Keep us posted with your progress. 

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That's it!   Great doodles.


The Lionel cab is actually quite roomy.
 
I'm concerned about the width,
since it measures out to 2.5 inches, or about 7 scale feet.

That's pushing the limits for a two-footer.


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For Folks interested in Michaels  'Athearn'  SW1500/SW7 conversion project

It can be found & discussed  HERE :-

'The Nye Inyo & Esmeralda Railroad' - 1:35n2

His ideas progress thoughts & photos can all be seen in his Thread


:f:


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Thanks, Eddie, for the heads up.

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I've mentioned that a hobby within a hobby of mine,
is the collecting of old advertising to process into signs for the layout. 

Old magazines is my favorite source,
I clip them and paste onto pages for future use.  





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When ready for a sign,
I glue the paper to white styrene plastic (card) using Aleene's Tacky Glue,
and finish the edges with a black marker. 

Here I was making signs for an N scale application,
but it works for any scale. 

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This weekend I received my 1914 Studebaker model. 
I've mentioned that these diecast banks can make great models. 

I'll need to remove the "Trust Worthy" from the sides,
and give the whole thing a coat of Dullcoat. 

I really like the wheels on this model,
they are nicely detailed and represent detachable rims. 

I'll put some 1935 plates on it to use on the layout. 

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As expected, the "Trust Worthy" came right off with paint remover. 

It seems that the lettering was put on after the base black coat,
which may have been baked on. 

I'll need to fill in the radiator with flat black and dig out those 1935 plates. 
I was going to Dullcoat the model, but I am having second thoughts about that. 

I've ordered a 1917 Maxwell bank and will take it apart to totally repaint it, 
I'll share the process with photos when I do it. 

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All this talk about the very old autos, makes me want some for my layout.

To bad my layout is set in the late 50s/early 60s.

Oh well.

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Larry

Stick one of these old cars, all rusted,

back in the hills somewhere.

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Just ran across this thread, and found it fascinating, even the plan.

Also very funny.

Keep up the good work.



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Thanks, Charles.

I've always had a lot of fun with Gn15 (still am).


But health issues have put the new layout on hold for a while.

As a result I've shared a lot of photos of past projects while working on smaller things presently.


I am glad you are enjoying the thread.

Regards, Dave L.


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I certainly don't intend to turn this into a model car thread.

But these diecast banks are so suited to large scale and my Gn15,
they just cannot be overlooked once stripped of their advertising and repainted.

I took out some of my previous projects to share,
this is a 1923 Chevy. 

It is hard to find early vehicles to put on the layout and since I model the year 1935,
early twenties and thirties vehicles are a welcome addition. 

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Here is a 1914 Studebaker that is a companion to the black one. 

This has been repainted for use on the layout. 

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Nice car models.

I have a similar dilemma.
What I need are wagons of all kinds.

I want to do something pre-automobiles,
or right on the edge them appearing.

I suppose I will need to make my own.


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Here is my contribution to this thread.

A bit worn, but ready for restoration (one day maybe).

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As we say here,  "it needs a little work"   :Crazy:

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A quick look shows that wagon wheels for models,
are readily available from Ebay and others.

It should be pretty easy to make buckboards and farm wagons,
from plastic or wood.

Fancy coaches or carriages may be more difficult.

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Here is another of the banks redone for the layout. 

I just painted the wheels and radiator and Dullcoated the body. 

You can see that I love old cars and trucks,
and these promotional banks, make fine large scale vehicles for my layout. 

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My 1917 Maxwell project arrived yesterday. 

I'll start with the removal of lettering and then decide what color to paint it. 

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This ad shows that the car came in black. 

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I kinda like the car with another color, like this real car. 

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Since I already have a Maxwell for the layout,
I've decided to work on this 1913 Ford truck. 

It is another Ertl bank that will make a nice model. 

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The paint on this model is proving to be stubborn,
this is after three applications of my paint remover and hard scrubbing with Q-tips. 

I prefer not to have to completely disassemble the model to repaint the body. 
I'll keep with the paint remover to see what happen. 

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Finally! 

After about ten applications of the paint remover and scrubbing with the Q-tips,
the gaudy advertising is off and the model is finished. 

I plan to swap a set of white wheels and tires from another model to this one. 

I am deciding how to letter this truck.

I may make a set of "S. Charles Fish Head Glue Co." decals on the printer,
if I can find a suitable font that looks like 1930s signage. 

Thanks for following along. 

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Tonight I played with some lettering for the truck,
to get an idea of what direction to go.

This is just a paper copy of what it might look like. 
The final design will be printed on Laser decal paper, and applied to the truck.

I admit I like this truck so much I ordered a second one for the Charles Co. 
Cost will be under sixteen dollars. 

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You might remember that a while back,
I proposed a small layout with a guano theme as part of S. Charles"s conglomerate. 

Thanks to a friend who is a master Photoshop instructor,
the S.Charles Guano Co. is selling shares in his venture. 

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S. Charles made so much capital with his guano stock,
he tried it with his glue company. 

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Yesterday we assembled a shelving unit,
and these plastic spacers were headed for the trash bin. 

Never one to discard interesting bits and pieces I could use them,
for some sort of liquid transfer cars on the glue factory layout. 

I've used them before. 

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I've glued wooden coffee stirrers to the spacers,
to create vats that will attach to flat cars. 

Tops need to be constructed on these. 

Thanks for looking. 

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Today I sorted through some of my old advertising collection,
to see what might fit on my redone diecast banks. 

Whatever the final choice,
I'll print it on decal stock for applying to the trucks. 

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I've mentioned Aleene's Tacky glue in a few posts. 

It is a water based glue that dries slightly flexible and clear. 
I have used if for years on the layout and on models and highly recommend it. 

I get it at Walmart and Michael's. 
Give it a try if you've never used it. 

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Today I did a simple little project and added a driver to the 1914 Maxwell. 

Sadly he lost a bit off both feet. 

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I often use green plastic army men, suitably altered and painted,

for enclosed vehicles and building interiors.


At a couple a bucks a bag you can't beat the price.


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Michael, that's a neat idea.

I'll have to check Amazon to see what is out there.

Thanks for the idea.

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My son surprised me with a new vehicle project today. 

This Studebaker truck will get its advertising removed,
and wheels painted to make it ready for he layout. 

I really like the colors, so I will not need to repaint it. 

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I've used various paint strippers over the years,
but this Testor's plastic cement works within seconds,
to remove the advertising on ERTL and this Liberty Classics vehicle. 

I am fortunate that the base colors on these vehicles,
seem to be imperious to the cement. 

I do not let the Testor's on for more than a few seconds. 
A quick wipe with a tissue removes the dissolved paint. 

Please don't smoke while doing this,
and keep a window open or do this on the deck.

Also best to test a small area first. 

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When the time comes to make decals for the various truck projects,
I'll turn to my collection of advertising and this great book by Leslie and Marcie Cabarga. 

The designs are in black and white,
so when copied on decal paper, they will be suitable for white or light colored trucks. 

After copying on white copy paper,
I'll have to enlarge or reduce the designs to fit specific vehicle placement. 

Then I'll make the decals. 

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" I've used various paint strippers over the years,
but this Testor's plastic cement works within seconds,
to remove the advertising on ERTL and this Liberty Classics vehicle. "


Hi David  :wave:


That sounds like a REALLY GREAT tip !  :thumb:


I'm guessing that 'Testors' Plastic Cement, is essentially M.E.K. ?  L:  :brill:  :shades:


There's a Thread here, about removing 'Bachmann' white loco lettering ... 
... not sure if anyone suggested using a bit of M.E.K. for that ?  :old dude:


Even if the loco is plastic underneath, a quick wipe over should be OK ...

... the On30 Porter diecast tank I tried removing letters from, was a nightmare !  :f:


Never would have thought of trying M.E.K.  :P

Can't remember if I tried Acetone or not ?  L:

In the 1:32 slotcar world, they call that model lettering print "the tampo".  :brill:

I guess a similar thing is applied using the same inks, to many items.

Including stuff like Walkmans(TM), phones, etc.  L:



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Thanks, Si.

The old stripper I used to use took forever and numerous applications.

One day I had that bottle of plastic cement on the desk,
as I was trying to remove lettering from an Ertl diecast.

So I tried it and that lettering came off in seconds.
I've never let the stuff on for more than a few seconds.

Yes, it is MEK, and I treat it with respect.

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Today I removed the lettering from this Ertl car,
EXCEPT the logo on the sides. 

The Testor's didn't even touch it! 
This is the first time I was not able to get the cement to work. 

After a closer look with my magnifier,
I discovered that the doors had STICKERS. 

Trying to get an Exacto blade under the sticker failed to catch an edge,
and I scratched the doors down to bare metal. 

After priming the doors,
I put this one aside until I can repaint the whole body. 

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A project underway is this Ertl 1912 Ford truck. 

I like it because the hood, fenders, and body are separate castings,
and I could simply leave the body off,
and have a chassis for a different version of the truck. 

I'm checking my sources for ideas. 

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Something like this would be an easy project for the chassis. 

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Since starting the collecting of diecast vehicles,
representing the teens, 1920s, and early 1930s, I've come to appreciate Liberty Classics. 

As I have been able to find, the company has a series of Studebakers in five  styles:
tanker, panel delivery, pickup, sedan with top up, and sedan with top down. 

They have Chevys from 1928 also, but I am still working on that. 

Here is the Liberty Classics Studebaker line-up. 
I'm waiting for the pickup to come. 

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I am getting ready to paint some of the Ertl wheels,
and have designed a sophisticated jig to hold them. 

Years ago, I used to soak chromed plastic parts in vinegar, to get to bare plastic,
but these wheels did not respond. 

I've washed them in soap and water and will hope the paint does not flake off. 
Other painted wheels have held up well. 

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Regular sunlight usually kills the chrome on plastic.

Worth a try, it's free.

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No sun here in PA, just rain.  ???

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A project for this weekend was to make an all white tanker,
from this Ertl Model T and the tank from another model. 

It was to be an easy swap by removing one screw and replace the parts. 
All the Ertl cars have been the same, held together with small screws. 





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This latest car does not have screws, but is held together with rivets! 

So this will not be a as simple as it used to be. 

I'll have to drill them out and reassemble using self tapping screws. 

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In the meantime the Liberty Classics Studebaker came,
and I started by painting the top with Model Master Grimy Black Flat (it was white). 

I chose the Lennox version of the model because it came with a driver. 

Easy to take apart because the parts are attached with screws,
the bed and an unusual load are shown in the photo. 

I'll remove the "Lennox" from the cab, paint the wheels,
and find another load for this nice little truck.

The driver lost an arm in shipping. 
I'll glue it back on.  

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Here is the Liberty Classics line-up of early 1910s Studebakers,
as I have been able to determine.  

I've learned that they have a 1922 Studebaker pickup,
and two 1928 Chevy trucks and a 1928 roadster.

So I am on the lookout for them. 

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Because the radiator grills come plated,
I darken the centers with a black, fine tipped marker. 

I used to paint them, but this is much easier. 

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Wheels are painted and the driver's arm is attached.

The Studebaker is ready for the layout and a load. 

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I think that one of the biggest things I can do (besides removing the advertisements),
to make these promotional "toys" into credible models, is to paint the wheels.

For my latest batch of wheels I've chosen black,
as that was a common color of wheels on Model Ts. 

Sometime I'll choose a wood color,
but these Ertl wheels are black. 

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Here is the Ertl tanker after combining the parts of two cars. 

Self tapping screws did not work out,
as the drilling of the rivets destroyed the attachment points. 

One screw in the tank and super glue will have to hold it all together. 

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I am thinking about my next project and I have these two Ertl Model Ts. 

The Charles Co. does not have any fire fighting capability,
so I am thinking of .... 





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Something like this for the layout. 

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Here are the two Ford runabouts for the layout. 

If anyone else is redoing these promotional banks,
I would like to hear from you. 

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The 1912 open front panel by Ertl is ready for a new bed,
instead of the panel body in the background. 

I prefer working in styrene instead of wood,
so the bed is put off until I can do it. 

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Here are those two yellow Ertls. 

I've put a fire unit on hold,
and just redid the models into common runabouts. 

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Today I was hoping to paint the Maxwell touring. 

It is a nice model but the red fenders detract, in my opinion,
so I planned to paint them black to match the body. 

The interior is glossy plastic so a coat of dull coat was on the list. 
Black wheels will finish it for the layout. 

Alas, a rainy day here in my part of PA,
has put the project off until nice and warm weather. 

Here are the pieces of the Maxwell. 

I wish all the models would come apart as easily as this one,
only three screws. 

I'll post a photo when the car is finished. 

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The Maxwell is finished. 

It is a nice model and is one of my favorites. 

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The boys have pulled up beside the new shiny Maxwell in their older one to check it out.

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Work is finished on the Studebaker truck. 

I painted the wheels, and it sits beside the Maxwell and Studebaker pickup. 

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Today I started on the two Ford trucks. 

I plan to paint the wheels and red fenders black,
and do some touch up with the steering wheels.

I ran into a problem with removing the tires from the wheels. 
They had turned a little hard over the years and could not be removed. 

I soaked the wheels in hot water,
and they softened enough to be removed easily. 
I'll soak them in the hot water when time comes to install them. 

Here everything is out of the pre scrubb.
I use Dawn and hot water to remove any oils or dirt,
from everything I am going to paint. 

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Looking good Dave.

What do you do with the slots on the top?


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Hi Dave

If you're not using the slots send them to me


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Michael, Eddie, what slots ?  :Crazy:

Seriously, if I were more energetic,
I would fill them with strips of styrene (card) and try to match the paint.

I am lucky that most of the banks have their slots hidden in unobtrusive locations.
Only the slots on top of these will be noticeable.

I was hoping to paint these tops, too, but they are riveted to the body shell,
and I would have to mask before painting, so they will stay red.

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Both trucks are done. 

I had to heat the tires to get them on the wheels, as I suspected.

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I am starting to think about what to do with my 1912 Ford chassis. 





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I really like this pickup. 

It would be an easy body to make from styrene. 

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I printed the photo of the pickup,
and placed my chassis on it to see how the cab would look. 

It was a pretty close match (photo and model),
and I can cut out a pattern for making the model from the photo. 

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Here is another possibility for the 1912 chassis,
but I am leaning towards the pickup.

I can put an interesting load in the bed. 

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In the meantime another Gulf pickup came,
and it will get the black fenders and wheels treatment. 

Since Ford did not offer the pickup bed on the Model T,
until long after the brass radiator was discontinued.
I am assuming that the bed here,
was offered by one of the many aftermarket companies,
and just bolted to a roadster body. 

I am still deciding on color for this model's body and bed. 

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The Testor's cement removed the Gulf lettering in just three seconds,
and after a scrubbing with liquid detergent (Dawn),
this will be ready for the rattle can paint job. 

Fenders and wheels will be black,
and body and bed color is still undecided. 

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I liked the color after priming the body and bed,
so went with the gray. 

I read that early Model Ts came in a few colors,
including a gray. 

I used some white tires I had on hand,
I like them on the black wheels. 

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My latest Ertl Ford pickup project. 

My supply of these is about used up. 


I really enjoy turning these toys into nice models for use in Gn15 or Large Scale.

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My collection of Model Ts has grown,
and I am trying to include many of the various versions of the car that Ford produced,
in twenty years of production. 

The "Runabout" was the least expensive and is the basis for the Ertl models. 

By 1916 the shiny radiator was discontinued and the next year it was painted black,
so the Ertl models are pre 1917. 

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OK, now it's time to rig a slot car track on the layout,

for those to run on.

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I have enough trouble with "slots" already.

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I have another project ready to go,
an Ertl Ford tanker. 

As I have a tanker already in my collection I'll probably not use the tank,
and figure some other treatment for the chassis and body. 

I'll post more photos of the process than I usually do.
Thanks for following along.

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Disassembly so far is easy,

two small screws and we are down to the basic parts. 





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The body, plated parts and interior did not come apart easily. 





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The interior was secured by melting over the plastic lug. 
On some of the Ertl bodies a small screw secures the interior. 

I had to cut off the melted part to free the interior,
which will need to be painted. 

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I like craft paints for interiors and steering wheels.

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Metal parts are ready for painting on the deck,
but the weather is humid today,
so I'll wait for another day. 

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It was a good day for drying paint. 

I learned that before 1914 Model T Runabouts were painted gray,
and wheels matched the body color. 

One of these will be a Runabout, so I had to paint a set of wheels gray. 

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Over the years I've developed sophisticated means for holding parts while painting. 
Cost was only two rolls of paper towels.  

I'm having fun watching paint dry. 

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Everything is ready to assemble. 

A good drying day yesterday helped. 

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Because this Ertl car did not use a screw to hold in the interior,
but a melted over lug that I had to cut off,
I am using Aleen's Tacky Glue to secure the part. 

I'll wait for the glue to dry before doing final assembly. 

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The Model T Runabout is done until I can get to the workshop,
and fashion a "turtleback" trunk for the rear end. 

I am thinking that I might fashion one trunk,
and have a friend make a mold and cast me a few. 

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The Fords are staring to back up in my little display area (on top of the printer). 

Working on these has been a fun project for me while confined to a wheelchair,
but now I am hoping to get to some Gn15 train projects,
new ones as well as the finishing up of older projects. 

I still like to promote these promotional banks,
as a tremendous source for large scale vehicles,
especially if one is modeling the early decades 1900s-1930s. 

Thanks for following along with my vehicle remakes. 

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I am thinking that a gas/service station on my Gn15 layout,
would enable me to display some