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 Posted: Thu Jan 2nd, 2020 11:09 am
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The new Bluerail board for large engines is too big for most of the O scale engines I have.

If it was simply the board that I had to worry about, it would not be much of a problem,
but when you add in a 1.1"x1.1"x4.5" battery, there's just not enough room in most of my engines for both.

So far the Deltang boards have performed fine, with plenty of room for the board and battery.

I do have a couple of engines I MAY give the new Bluerail board a try in, but the price will have to be right for me to convert.

I had 3 engines with the original Bluerail board install, but the amperage wasn't there for reliable running,
had to constantly play "engineer" to keep at least one of them from tripping the polyfuse.

If Deltang could do something similar to incorporate sound I'd be all over it.




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Must say I was a bit surprised by the latest announcement. 

Re-design to allow a bypass for non-DCC, non-sound operation. 
Del-Tang does that very well. 

I am anxiously awaiting release to try Bluerail, because I want to add sound to my engines.
The smaller board size is the attraction, as I do not have much space available. 

I currently use Del-Tang. 
I have looked at Airwire 900 and installed several in a friends engines. 
Boards are boarder line to large, but I think will work.
 
Before buying them I will test the Bluerail offering (if it isn't too far in the future). 
I am not excited about the smartphone control. 
I personally like knobs and switches.




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Bob R wrote:
I am not excited about the smartphone control. 
I personally like knobs and switches.


Bob R, me too. 

I was using my iPad with the original Bluerail boards,
didn't have a cellphone at the time.

Now I have an Android phone, but from what I recall,
the software wasn't as robust or fully developed as it was for the iPad. 

iPad was too large/heavy for long use, plus I like the Deltang-based transmitters I currently use. 
They're compact and do everything I want, plus if sound ever becomes available,
there's buttons on them that can be used.




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Guys,

I suggest looking at S-CAB if you have not yet.

You can have a hand held throttle and wireless and batteries.
There are a couple of shortcomings, but I have been happy with it overall so far.

The target is mostly the Soundtraxx decoders if you are looking for sound,
but the system has been integrated with TCS WOW sound as well.

I am not sure what the new developments are,
but I am going to see if I can get some info.




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"If Deltang could do something similar to incorporate sound I'd be all over it"

"I like the Deltang-based transmitters I currently use. 
plus if sound ever becomes available, there's buttons on them that can be used"


You might as well stop dreaming about Deltang ever doing anything for train sound.
Personally I can't even see why anyone has even been talking about it for so long.

There's nothing to talk about, since in reality it's never going to happen.
So it doesn't matter how many buttons the transmitters have.

It you want engine sound and don't like ipods or cellphones, try this:

Sensibly priced locomotive RC with sound and dedicated transmitter

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I have tried Loco Genie out. It is not bad, but is kinda low end. But it is also priced that way, and YMMV.

The issue I had with it was that it kept dropping out and restarting again.
It would do this randomly at different spots on the test layout.
I also did not like the sound quality much, but that could be due to the speaker that comes with it.
A different speaker might give it better quality sound. I think there is enough variety of sounds included.
But I will say I am happier with my Economi/S-CAB combos.

But if MRC improved this a bit, I would be happy to pay a bit more for it.

Caveat: The product I tried was the steam tank loco with the Loco Genie already built in.
I wanted to use it for a Christmas train, so the basic functionality would not have bothered me if it functioned properly.
I *could* have had a bad unit, I did not have time to test another and bought a used Bachmann 2-8-0 off eBay for less.
I had to put some labor into it, so that probably made up for the lower price.




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"YMMV"

Mine certainly does.


"my Economi/S-CAB combos"

How much does that cost, with the transmitter, for one loco?


"The issue I had with it was that it kept dropping out and restarting again"
"It would do this randomly at different spots on the test layout"

No one talking about it in the linked thread, had any problems like that to report.
Were you using poorly connected track power, or independent battery power?


"I also did not like the sound quality much, but that could be due to the speaker that comes with it"
"A different speaker might give it better quality sound. I think there is enough variety of sounds included"

Almost goes without saying, anyone who wants optimum sound, will use a big speaker.
It's churning out the same digital sound samples all the rest of them do, except Deltang.

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It definitely costs more.  But one generally tends to get what one pays for.

I am using the same track, etc. as I am now with the mentioned Bachmann 2-8-0 with Tsunami 750. 
Track Power, DCC.  Maybe it would run better with a battery.

Even a smaller or comparably sized sugar cube sounds better to me.  
I also believe the *higher* end manufacturers do a lot of work on their sound packages,
not to mention automatic sounds depending upon what action the loco is taking,
customizing sound levels per sound (i.e. chuff, whistle, bell, dynamo, etc.)
as well as sound rates, blah, blah.

It may be the Loco Genie in the Model Power loco, is not at the same level as the separate components,
or as I said I got a bad one.  Like I said, YMMV. 

My experience was not great and MRC has a reputation for not such stellar quality at times. 
I also did not have time to try another.
Perhaps I will give it another try in the future, but I do like what I have now.




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"It definitely costs more"

Yes you've already said that.
How much for doing one engine with sound and a transmitter?


"But one generally tends to get what one pays for"

There is a tendency for most people to believe that, especially after spending their money.
There are plenty of great products out there, that don't cost the earth and work well.


"Maybe it would run better with a battery"

I don't know if the Bachmann you converted had a Stay Alive inside which you added?
But no running issues were found by any of the people using it in the linked thread.


"I also believe the *higher* end manufacturers do a lot of work on their sound packages"

I've read all sorts of claims made by manufacturers, if people "believe", they'll pay!
Unfortunately the claims don't often add up to much, other than money in their pockets.

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I am sure anyone can go to the site and see the pricing.
I KNOW the Loco Genie is significantly cheaper.


"There is a tendency for most people to believe that, especially after spending their money"

Conversely that same tendency occurs for those that buy the bargain priced equipment,
and it is perhaps good enough, but does not have the features of the higher end product.


All said, if something is good enough for one person it is good enough for that person,
perhaps not for all or some others.

Everyone has different experiences, desires, pocketbooks, and opinions.
Respect to your opinion and experience.




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