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 Posted: Wed Oct 30th, 2019 11:02 am
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This is the table showing O/S compatibility.

I can't locate genuine prolific cables.







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My cable is not a prolific version and I bought it on Amazon,
so it is probably a Chinese clone.

The installer on the site I mentioned, has fixed the problem,
by installing the Prolific driver version 3.8.1.3, which works with clone cables,
and stops Windows 10 from loading the later Prolific driver on startup.

I don't know what the chip version is,
because the USB serial port emulator is a sealed unit.




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Hello.

You can always use cheap PL2303 cables,
as the only thing that is not working are the later drivers.

There all PL 2303 chips are blocked, because the original supplier of those chips has discontinued them,
and all Pl2303 chips available today are copies, most likely "not licensed" copies.

I personally have one cable with a Pl 2303 chipset (1€ incl p&p),
and one with a FTDI 232 chip (7€ incl p&p).

The much more expensive FTDI232 works "out of the box",
and the cheap "China- cable" needs to install extra drivers.

But after installing those drivers I prefer the PL2303 cable as it is more solid
(Chip is housed inside the USB- plug)
and is working flawlessly, ever since I had the "not blocked" drivers installed.

The FTDI also is working without issues, so it's a nice "backup" for me.


Here you can see both cables I have working:





On the left there is the FTDI chip.
It needs a micro-USB cable on the one side, and a set of DuPont plugs on the other side.

On the right there is the PL 2303 chip.
The chip is mounted inside the USB plug,
and on the other side of the cable there are the matching DuPont plugs connected to my Prog4.


I searched the web to see, if I can make the PL 2303 working.
I finally found this page:

PL2303 Windows 8.1 install

Where a detailed instruction can be found how to install proper drivers for your PL 2303.
The needed drivers are there to download too.


The description is for Windows 8.1,
but those drivers also are working with Windows 7 or Windows 10.

I have tested it on Windows 7 on my old laptop,
and on Windows 10 on my new desktop PC.


So your table above, only is valid with Windows own drivers,
not if you install matching drivers yourself.




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Another thing I forget to mention...

Nearly about 100% of all "genuine" PL 2303 cables are equipped with a PL 2303 H chip.





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Claus60 wrote:
Another thing I forget to mention...

Nearly about 100% of all "genuine" PL 2303 cables are equipped with a PL 2303 H chip. 


Hi Claus,

I ordered what I believed was a PL2303TA chip. 
The test software confirmed but it too failed on Windows 10.

I have developed a technique for programming output PADs with a stick transmitter,
so I shall stay with that for now.




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Hi Rod,

Have you tried it with the "old" drivers?
Maybe your chip is a "fake" PL2303TA that also is blocked by the new drivers.
It also is possible that your cable simply is broken somehow.

Nevertheless you can look for a FTDI chip, as suggested on the DelTang website.
FTDI cables are more expensive than the PL 2303 ones, but they still are cheap enough.
FTDI always should work even on Windows 10.


Just a starting point for your search:

https://www.ebay.com.au/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=FTDI&_sacat=0


Once you have used a working Prog4 together with my software,
you never will use the stick transmitter again, I promise.
At least not for programming DelTang RX... ;)


Edit:

Have you plugged your cable into an USB-hub, or directly into an USB port on your computer?
I only got the Prog4 to work when the cable was plugged directly to the PC.
With an USB-hub it never did work.

And you better use an USB 2.0 port not USB 3.x

 



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Claus,

Done most of those things. 


Would you mind evaluating this device that was offered to me?

https://core-electronics.com.au/usb-to-ttl-converter-cp210.html




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Hi.

This is no FTDI and no PL2303xxx chip.  It's a Silicon Labs chip.
I don't know this one, but on DT website, a CH340 is recommended alongside the FTDI chip.

Generally the Silicon Labs chips are known for being not very tolerant regarding the frequency (baudrate).
If your PC is on one side of the tolerance range and the chip on the other,
then it is possible that the combination did not work as it should.

 
After a look at the online shop you've linked here I would try this cable:

https://core-electronics.com.au/usb-to-ttl-serial-uart-rs232-adaptor-pl2303hx.html


As it is one of the "blocked" chips you need to install the "old" drivers
(from the link I've posted above) to get it work.
But this should not be a big issue.

This cable looks very close (if not identical) to the cable I'm using with success here.
It has matching plugs on the "other" side and the electronics hidden inside the USB plug.
No further fiddling necessary.

If you don't want to "risk" anything then you best find yourself a "real" FTDI cable,
also they are looking very expensive in this shop.




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Hi Claus,

The whole experience has been frustrating.

Thank you for taking the time and trouble to review the cable.

I may try an FTDI cable as you suggest.




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I thought I would try a FTDI cable so I bought this:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Adafruit-Serial-TTL-232-Cable-ADA70/dp/B00SK8LK1W/ref=sr_1_fkmr2_1?keywords=adafruit+usb+serial+converter&qid=1572610821&s=computers&sr=8-1-fkmr2


Plugged it in, and WIN10 prompted to download drivers, which it did.

I now have a functioning USB serial converter, but no USB serial port.

Device manager reports there are no compatible drivers.




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