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 Posted: Sun Jan 31st, 2021 08:54 pm
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Fifteen years ago I purchased a drive of an International P5,
a crude affair, from the dark ages.

Missing motor, otherwise fairly complete,
had the intention to look for another one, and build a big 2-6-6-2 boxcab on them.

Time went by, forgot about it.

Then got a complete loco, at a price I couldn't refuse. 
Again some time later, got an orphan body!

Immediately looked for the old drive..... 
Seemed gremlins had stolen it, looked everywhere to no avail.


  

Last week I looked for a trolley drive,
which supposedly should have been in the lowest shelf of a cabinet....

No trolley drive, but the P5 drive under a wrong shell! 
Joined it with the shell - perfect, only the pilot beams missing, and of course the motor.

Tried various can motors, however found only one gear that matched the one on the drive...
and, this one was rather small, so no chance to put the motor in the original location.

Came up with a makeshift solution:





Attached a Mabuchi motor to the drive with an cobbled together frame extension...
Works ok, but the noise is terrible..... have  to do something about this.




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Hi Gerold  :wave:

You never cease to AMAZE me, with some of your  C :cool: :cool: L  eBay finds !  :brill:

Often STASHED ... & then "re-discovered".  :P





I have always had a soft-spot for the Pennsy electrics like yours.  :thumb:

I don't actually know much stuff about them, but the GG-1 was a favouite !  :cool:


I like that kinda maroon colour ^^ better than 'Pennsy' BLACK or 'Penn Central' BLACK.  ???

Do you know the name of that ^^ colour ?  L:


I figure a DCC-decoder is going in there somewhere, I'd love to hear the 'lectriks sound.  :!:

I guess one of your GREAT better-pickups jobs is on the cards too.  :)


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Si. wrote:  
I like that kinda maroon colour ^^ better than 'Pennsy' BLACK or 'Penn Central' BLACK.  ???

Do you know the name of that ^^ colour ?  L:


I figure a DCC-decoder is going in there somewhere, I'd love to hear the 'lectriks sound.  :!:

I guess one of your GREAT better-pickups jobs is on the cards too.  :)


Hi Si.

A little PRR paint gossip.... 
this color is "Tuscan Red" and was reserved for the passenger fleet. 

My P5 was initially developed as a passenger motor,
but failed to meet the expectations & those big GG1's took over.
Those P5's spent their live in freight service, most of the time in three unit sets. 

So they never wore 'Tuscan Red', the painted one is wrong!
(But I will leave it that way)


My guess is, back in the days of black and white pics. & literature,
modelers didn't know better.

We take such information for granted,
but I remember the times (Nineties) before internet & good (expensive) books,
when I painted a number of interurbans in wrong colors.


Anyway, lowly freight locos and switchers were painted Brunswick Green
Allegedly, Pennsy mixed this in the paint shop, the formula was 1:1 black and green !
One barrel black paint, one pint green paint.
 
When locos got dirty, they achieved various shades of gray.
 
My plan is to paint the second one in a color of my private line, the California Pacific.
I tend to silver... there were GG1's in silver for service on the 'Congressional',
they looked good.


Decoder is already installed,
but have problems as gear ratio is way off... she is painfully slow.
Either need different gears, or a high revving motor... 

And yes, she has got additional pickups on all the pilot truck wheels already.




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Update...

Swapped the Mabuchi motor for one of my precious Canon EN22's...
They are hard to get today.

Some years ago I bought a box of them for a few pennys...
Why didn't I buy three boxes ?

???

Anyway, she is faster now...

In fact a little faster than my "yardstick" switcher that I use to adjust CV's,
so I may run each and every loco in MU with any other.


Good...
Now for finishing the body.




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Can you post any pics. please Gerold.

I'm interested in what you are doing.

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2foot6 wrote:  
Can you post any pics. please Gerold.

I'm interested in what you are doing.


Peter

Sure, will do.
Hope to have some progress that is worth taking pics. this Sunday.


She works ok now, Canon motor did it....
Speed is acceptable now.

Have to give the middle axle more vertical clearance,
as the loco sometimes "rides on it" when there is a bump in the track,
with drivers spinning helplessly.


Plan to put Archer rivets on the body, according to the prototype.
Looks too smooth now.

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For mysterious reasons, Archer Rivets worked fine yesterday... 
On the SAL Railcar they were next to impossible to apply.

A few left to do, then I will paint this thing.

Rivet pattern isn't matching the prototype exactly, did some simplifications... 
But the body has some errors anyway, as usual in the dark ages.







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Painted her on Monday evening ... Tamiya TS30 'Silver Leaf' ...
Not entirely happy, she looks like a shiny jet fighter.

Anyway, as I was so pleased with the appearance of the Archer Rivets,
I did the rivet job to a boxcab that was already primered too ...

And painted her Tuesday evening - in the anteromm when my wife was at work,
with Tamiya TS-17 'gloss aluminum' - this seems to be less shiny and has less blue hue,
at least to my weary eyes.










Boxcab is a mystery model.
Have nowhere found anything similar, neither model nor prototype.

My first guess was she might be of a Japanese prototype,
either of Baldwin-Westinghouse manufacture or license built,
but when searching early Japanese electrics nothing showed up.

Any ideas?  







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They are coming up a treat Gerold.

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Thanks for the encouragement... 


Began tinkering with the unmodified PRR P5,
found that the previous owner has added a lot of detail...

Truck safety chains, sander lines - that really look great,
but interfere with function.


Then, when trying to solder a decoder to the big open frame motor,
found a loose brush holder & replaced the 60 year old brittle insulation...

But, when reading 2 Amps on the Ammeter,
decided to replace the motor. 

She now got the "slow" Mabuchi can motor,
that I had used without success in the other P5. 

For this one, with the different gears, it works ok. 







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