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All I can say is nice and well done.
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Herb Kephart
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Hi Bill
What type of drive are they going to re-install?
Almost a given that it isn't going to be original- but the outside looks great!
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She's beautiful! 
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Bill Fornshell
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ebtm3 wrote:
Hi Bill
What type of drive are they going to re-install?
Almost a given that it isn't going to be original- but the outside looks great!
rb
Herb,
No power trucks survived over the years. They will use a CAT Diesal that was donated to them but from the outside they will make it LOOK as close as possible to the orginal.
In talking to the museum "Curator of History" he said they may not use it for people to ride. The steps into and out are tricky and several workers have fallen going in or going out. It also may be to fancy to let people use.
If they do use it for rides I would go for the ride.
I am going to call and find out the paint numbers for the body and top and paint one or more of mine those colors.
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oh my , oh my, now they are talking about McKeen stuff on the yahoo group on30.......is there no escaping it  ??.
Oh, if your restoring something, you use the ORIGINAL DRIVE TRAIN, not some catapillar diesel thingie. They are HOT RODDING it, not restoring. The original acf hall scott motor has parts available for it. They are just taking the cheaper easy way out.
Also whats the sense of restoring it to running condition if you cannot drive it ? May as well save more money by not puting the motor in it.
The body panels on this restoration leave a lot of wondering as to what level of poorness to grade this....that thing has so many waves down the side of it, should be hooking at hollywood and rodeo drive in LA >>>>>>>LMAO
pass the bondo they say, we will make her straight, bloop & more bloop + air powered belt sander......think am gonna hurl at the thought.
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W C Greene
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Well, since they ain't gonna install the original motor/drive...then maybe they should just set fire to the thing & have a bbq. I had an MG Midget like that once, I installed a Datsun 4 banger & transmission when the old MG motor crapped out. Yep, I sure should have kept the blown out motor in her, maybe getting a mule to pull me around in it. What was I thinking?
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I found this on the linked homepage:
All that time it's been hidden away from public view in the shop, and work has been very slow as they've only been doing it as money allows.
So maybe is no other way out as the cheap way?
The points I see are: At first the railcar wasn't scrapped in 1996. The work, which is done until today, is suitable and save it for a lot of years. And a wrong motor can be replaced later.
So I have enjoy the pics and think, they are not on the perfect way, but on the right way for the possibilities they have.
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W C Greene wrote: Well, since they ain't gonna install the original motor/drive...then maybe they should just set fire to the thing & have a bbq. I had an MG Midget like that once, I installed a Datsun 4 banger & transmission when the old MG motor crapped out. Yep, I sure should have kept the blown out motor in her, maybe getting a mule to pull me around in it. What was I thinking?
Boudreaux
If they are not putting the original acf hall scott motor in the McKeen, then they are not restoring it, they are hot rodding it. May as well leave the motor out and just pull it around for tourista stuff with a small diesel switcher.
No they will not pull the cat diesel out and replace it with the original later. Just doesn't happen.
Lets see you had to pull the MG motor and trans. Purchase and Adapt the datsun to its MG chassis with new fabricated motor and trans mounts. Cobble up some kind of exhaust pipe to exhaust pipe mish mash. Cobble up the positive ground electrical system. Get a new driveshaft cut to mate up to the rear end. install a new shifter mechanism. plus more work.
You could have bought new rings and bearings and a gasket set, maybe a set of 10 thou over pistons to fit into the bored out cylinders. rebuilt the motor for less agro.
This would have been a heck of a lot cheaper and less work than butchering up a good MG midget.
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Hey, dont be so hard on em. Not enough historical railroad equipment gets restored AT ALL, let alone in 100% original condition. Whatever they decide to do is just fine in my book, they've done quite well with what they've got.
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Bill Fornshell
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Mike said:
"If they are not putting the original acf hall scott motor in the McKeen, then they are not restoring it, they are hot rodding it. May as well leave the motor out and just pull it around for tourista stuff with a small diesel switcher."
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Mike, this is one of those times when you don't know what the Thong you are talking about. The original #22 V&T Motor Car had the standard McKeen gas motor / front truck. The Hall Scott what ever were much later. None of the original Motor / Truck units survived over time. Remember WW II and all the scrape drives. They have done what they could. I was told it will look like the original from the outside when they are finished.
Works for me.Last edited on 8 Feb 2009 08:33 pm by Bill Fornshell
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seeing as how i am not a McKeen expert nor do i want to be. It sounded to me from past postings like these things were hall scott equipted as i remember it was posted............but seems there are multiple varieties of these things.?
So, if the motor was yanked out of this V & T one for ww2 scrap drive...question....what was put in here to motivate it until it was parked? And when was it parked. ??
What other info do we need to know to be up to date.
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Herb Kephart
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Mike-
I am reasonably sure if ANY of the original Mckeen power trucks had survived they would have done everything that they could to get it back in action. The fact is that the McKeen truck/engine had a lot of problems and none survive. should the Smithsonian junk the Wright flyer because it has the engine from Bergdolls Wright plane?
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Is it the same motor type ?
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What a cherry loooking piece of work ! Very nice !
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Bob Hitchcock wrote: What a cherry loooking piece of work ! Very nice !
your specifically referring toooooooooo ?? mike
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Herb Kephart
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Mike-
Same type, just a few years later "production" one. The original plane was cannibalized by the Wrights, to make following experiments. Years later, they scraped up all the old parts that they could find, and used them to "recreate" the plane, and sent the result to the Science Museum in England, because they were mad that the Smithsonian wanted to give Langley credit as the first. The plane came back to the US and went to the Smithsonian after WW2, only after the Wright heirs extorted an agreement from the Smithsonian, that even if other evidence came to light the question of the Wrights being the first would be supported by the Smithsonian
Read "History by Contract" O'Dwyer & Randolph
Sorry, Hotshot, I know that this is off railroad topic.
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Bill Fornshell
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It is really to bad that the person who starts a thread can't delete replies.
If I could Mike, I would delete you out of here.
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W C Greene
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Well, since that McKeen has been "degraded" by the use of a different motor, I suppose most of my locomotives are unworthy also. Most have Sagami motors and my Garratt has 2 motors from an old word processor. It is such a shame that I followed the examples set forth by the McKeen's restorers. I will just have to be content with my poor stable but realize that there are many others in the same situation. Shame on all of us for our transgressions. On the flip side, the McKeen restorers did a great job and even if the car is "substandard"...at least it IS RUNNING and looks good. There are many pieces of old equipment with their original motors just sitting in a park rusting away. Maybe that's what it is all about-if it can't be "pure", then it must be destroyed! Hmmm...didn't Uncle Adolph promote that "belief"
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