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 Posted: Sat Mar 20th, 2010 10:24 pm
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Bobby-the feds banned l & p's around the turn of the 20th century except on private roads that didn't interchange with common carriers. Many brakemen died or lost hands and fingers with the old couplers. Some narrow gauge lines used them into the 1960's at least. I remember seeing the West Side Lumber CO cars with l & p's in 1961 when the line closed and there were probably others... 



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 Posted: Tue Mar 23rd, 2010 01:47 pm
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W C Greene wrote: Bobby-the feds banned l & p's around the turn of the 20th century except on private roads that didn't interchange with common carriers. Many brakemen died or lost hands and fingers with the old couplers. Some narrow gauge lines used them into the 1960's at least. I remember seeing the West Side Lumber CO cars with l & p's in 1961 when the line closed and there were probably others...
It looks like some places have been using l&p's a bit more recently than that.

Here's a link to footage of some new railmotors, during final acceptance testing, in 2009:

http://www.parrypeoplemovers.com/video-for-broadband-11.htm

I should point out that, although the Stourbridge Town line is joined to the main rail network by points, these points aren't used very often. As a result, this single track line is effectively operated as a small "microsystem", on a "one engine in steam" basis - the second railmotor is only there to provide maintenance cover.

I should also add that the railmotors are operated singly. They're only coupled when one breaks down - to provide some means of returning a broken-down vehicle to the depot, at one end of the line. For this reason, "buckeyes" would be a gross overkill.

The bit that puzzles me is how the working railmotor would be extracted from the depot, after "rescuing" its "partner" - I'm sure they've got a way of doing this - I'm not sure how it's done.

I'm not sure exactly what couplers are used on "main line" trains in the UK - I know there's a mix of types, but I believe things are normally a bit more sophisticated than this!

Sorry about hijacking the thread.

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Huw.

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 Posted: Tue Mar 23rd, 2010 02:08 pm
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Howdy Huw-here in "the colonies", link & pin couplers were banned from use over 100 years ago. True, some privately owned industrial lines used them much later, but I don't believe you will find such antiques here except in a museum situation. If I were modeling a "foreign" railroad, then I might be using hooks and links, screw couplings, or whatever is popular but I am into Southwestern US narrow gauge railroads and my use of l & p couplers in a later time era is just my way of "freelancing" and as I explained, a matter of extra work and economics. I am well aware that other countries use equipment that I am not familiar with. On my larger 35n2 layout, I really couldn't use knuckle couplers since the undulating track and extreme grades would cause knuckles to become un coupled and besides, l & p's look cooler!

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W C Greene wrote: Howdy Huw-here in "the colonies", link & pin couplers were banned from use over 100 years ago.

... I really couldn't use knuckle couplers since the undulating track and extreme grades would cause knuckles to become un coupled and besides, l & p's look cooler!

I couldn't have put it better myself.

I agree with you completely - the other stuff was just for information. The only reason I was even aware of it was that, a few years ago, Railway Modeller ran a competition to build an earlier version of these railmotors.

I had a go - my first scratchbuild. I didn't get chance to finish it - beside which, I couldn't work out how to make the ends look right - but I learnt a lot in the process.

There are no pictures - partly because I didn't finish - partly because I don't have a digital camera - but I can assure you that you're not missing much!


Returning to the real topic of the thread, your line - and what's running on it - are looking great. I wish I could aspire to similar standards - but don't see this happening any time soon.

All the best,

Huw.

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Huw-this has been a most enjoyable thing to build. However, I have probably taken more time to do this than some of the pieces of my "big" layout. It could be the stopping to take photos and write stuff, or it might be that I had to "adjust" my "scaleness" from 1:35 to 1:48. Whatever, it is a gas to build and now that the scenery is underway, I can relax a little...and watch that pokey lokie and it's tiny train rattle along. Right now, the big layout is being fiddled with for the weekend's Outlaw visit. After that, work on the Gila Tramway will continue.



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 Posted: Wed Mar 24th, 2010 02:16 am
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W C Greene wrote: Huw-this has been a most enjoyable thing to build. However, I have probably taken more time to do this than some of the pieces of my "big" layout. It could be the stopping to take photos and write stuff, or it might be that I had to "adjust" my "scaleness" from 1:35 to 1:48. Whatever, it is a gas to build and now that the scenery is underway, I can relax a little...and watch that pokey lokie and it's tiny train rattle along. Right now, the big layout is being fiddled with for the weekend's Outlaw visit. After that, work on the Gila Tramway will continue.Perfectly natural, Woodie. You realize that it's not a big deal to spend time on a small space and so the time goes by. All of a sudden a tiny space has your full attention. And guess what? You have blown 2 hours and you sit back, run a train around the circuit and think "WOW".

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Brian-yep, you can spend some time on those little things. My problem is that I sometimes feel that I am spending TOO much time on this little layout when I have loaded ore cars at the mines and no work at the smelter! Oh well, it's all fantasy anyway. I will see this through and will be very happy when I no longer need to work on it. I believe that something managable like this little layout can actually "be finished" unlike a bigger one which always needs something even if it looks "finished" also.

I got almost all the ballast done today and worked on a small rock retaining wall that is the "prototype" for some bigger walls. I will show photos of this pretty soon. One thing I have to say is MAN it is sooooo much easier to just be able to switch on an r/c loco and run VS having to clean track and wheels just to run a train. I knew this going in but had forgotten just how much I hate Brite-Boys. At least this ain't any bigger than it is.



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 Posted: Thu Mar 25th, 2010 04:35 pm
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Woodie, as you know I run analog DC and rarely clean track (maybe 3-4 times a year).  When you are finished putting dirt and glue and anything else that pertains to scenery on the rails, the worst will be over.  Although you might have one problem I don't have and that's cat hair from PH.  Just use that hair dryer and blow the track off and things should be fine.



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 Posted: Thu Mar 25th, 2010 06:42 pm
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True enough JIm. Just remember that you are running nice heavy Athearn locos with flywheels on your layout...this is basically HOn3 with a very light little MDC Shay which is a bit more problematic than a nice big HO diesel. But that's what I have and the continuing process of dirt, water, turf, more dirt, etc...does cause track cleaning to be needed more often. And then there's cat hair..after all, this is his place and I am just here for food & water procurement.  Now, I have some more wet spackle to deal with and the weather sure ain't cooperating! Where's that sun? 



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 Posted: Thu Mar 25th, 2010 11:57 pm
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Woodie -:

Keeping tracks clean can be a pest, big pest at that

I am using a product from CRC  It is CRC 2-26.  This stuff I apply with a cork sanding block cut down to a workable size.  Wet down one side of the block with 2-26 and lightly apply to clean track and leave overnight. Do not wipe off. Now all that's left is running trains.

Running trains helps to even out the coating and it also helps with spreading the 2-26 evenly across the rails and gives the pick wheels a light coating at the same time.

Works for me and it lasts a good while.  You may need to google up suppliers of this product, Electronic stores would be a good starting point

I assume you have tried this or something familiar but thought it would be a good time to refresh your brain cells. Might be a good idea to let peachhead read this and explain it to you




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