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This is Tilly, the latest addition to Two Sister’s farm’s growing fleet of unusual vehicles. It is an ex Second World War 10 HP light utility car with a pick up body. She is used only for track maintenance purposes and not general haulage.
The kit is made by Tamiya and is rather delicate with the clear plastic parts being a rather poor fit. I have left the bonnet off to show the details in the engine bay, as it seemed a pity to hide them.
I made a false chassis to attach and locate the body to the power unit which is from an HO Bachmann HI-rail track maintenance van. The body has a solid block of plasticard at the back of the false chassis which was drilled and tapped. One long screw then holds the two together. It has little out rider wheels which also pick up current. I added extra weight in any place I could inside the plastic body to help it track better.
If you have found this little pick up truck to your liking then have a look at Two Sister’s Farm in the narrow gauge section of the forum. There are lots more examples of this sort of thing.
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Peter-that is cool as you know what! A wonderful model. I love it. What else can I say? I have been looking for ideas on another rail truck and you have inspired me to find something a bit more "modern" than the Model T I have...those "bug eye" headlights and neat grill do nthe trick. Which Tamiya kit did you use? Thank you.
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Hi Woodie,
I’m glad you like Tilly she is rather cute isn‘t she.
The Kit is 1/35 Tamiya No 308 British Light Utility car 10 HP. It comes complete with a seated driver figure as well. She should really have two headlights but I broke one in the rush to get the model finished for an exhibition I did the other week. With hindsight I would fix the headlights using a thin brass rod instead of the plastic one supplied in the kit.
Hope this helps.
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Huw Griffiths
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The false chassis looks like a neat idea.
From what I can work out, there were a number of British road vehicles being built at the time with similar bonnet and radiator styling.
Apart from the Austin Ten utility van ("utility" presumably getting corrupted into "tilly"), there were also a number of Bedfords (think Chevrolet...) with very similar styling. The Bedfords ranged in size from K types (similar in size to the Austin Ten), right up to O types (full sized commercials - variants included trucks and the iconic OB buses).
Meanwhile, in the Soviet Union, they were building some military trucks which might have looked rather familiar to some people:
http://www.cybermodeler.com/hobby/kits/zve/kit_zve_3602.shtml
From what I can work out, these trucks appeared in a number of variants - one of the more numerous variants being the GAZ AAA, with 3 axles. Zvezda do a kit of this one - which would interest me, if it were in a different scale:
http://www.modelhobbies.co.uk/shop/zvezda-gazaaa-wwii-soviet-truck-3547-p-5790.html
(OK, I know there's a Unimodels kit of the GAZ AAA, in 1:48 - but I've never actually seen it. The Tamiya Austin Ten is also offered in 1:48 - as are a number of their other military vehicle kits including, of all things, a Komatsu bulldozer - but I'm not sure I'll be building rail based versions of any of them in the near future.)
Anyway, I think I'd better stop hijacking the thread ... .
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Huw.
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Broadoak
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Woodie,
A couple of pictures showing a bit more detail of Tilly.
These were taken at a show a couple of weeks ago.
Also thanks Huw, your links are always interesting.
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The GAZ AA & AAA trucks were made from US (GMC/Chevy) designs by the Russians. Matter of fact, the US gave them some 1930's model trucks as "lend lease" and there are models of these also. ZVEZDA makes these models in 1:35 scale along with the KATYUSA rocket launcher truck which is a desd ringer for a GMC model. These trucks are not as "modern" looking as the British car shown, and I will look for something that would be available in the US, I doubt that such a car would be found in the wilds of New Mexico. The car kind of reminds me of an early 1940's Chevy...maybe that's what I want. Again, thanks for the inspiration.
BTW-anyone wanting the ZVEZDA kits can find them and more at SQUADRON on line.
Woodie
***The AA & AAA trucks were FORD designs...that's what I get for reading a kit's instructions. I promise to never do that again! Thanks to Herb "Mr Ford" Kephart for showing me the error of my ways. From now on, instruction sheets will be burned upon opening a new kit!*************
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I think the Roco Minitanks line have a somilar Russian truck available.
My On30 logging line is still in the early stages but I've been thinking of a model 'T' railcar along similar lines. The reason for wanting one on my otherwise 1900s logger is that McKenzie Iron & Steel make an O scale figure set of Laurel & Hardy to fit in an open tourer car. I think it'd be kool having them as the 'company brass'
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Huw Griffiths
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mosslake1 wrote: My On30 logging line is still in the early stages but I've been thinking of a model 'T' railcar along similar lines.
I don't know whether they're available in Australia, but some UK model shops have recently been selling these - I wonder if they might be usable as donor models:
http://www.anticsonline.co.uk/2198_1_105746561.html
A number of 1:43 etched brass kits have also appeared of Model T based railmotors - like this Branchlines kit, which was built by a member of the British forum site RMweb:
http://mozzer-models-.fotopic.net/p60555433.html
While on the subject of models of old vehicles, some people might be wondering why I mentioned the Zvezda kits of GAZ AAs and AAAs (especially as I don't even model in 1:35). I've liked Wismar railbuses for some time. As I can't get O scale kits of these locally (or anywhere, at a price I can afford), I've been looking out for suitably sized (and priced) kits of the Ford AAs that I believe they were based on.
A few months back, I noticed one of the GAZ AAA kits in a model shop - and thought it looked familiar. This led to me doing some research on the web. (It also got me thinking about why some sites are known as search engines, as opposed to find engines - probably best if I don't go any further on this issue ... !)
A number of sources were suggesting that the GAZ AAs and AAAs were effectively Ford AAs, built under licence - I don't know the truth of this, as I've never seen one of the things for real. Even if I did know, I wouldn't get too worried about it.
OK, so I'd identified a kit with the hood styling I was looking for - unfortunately not in a scale I can use, so the idea goes on the back burner. If I come across one locally in a different scale, I might go for it (on the other hand, I might not - depends on the cost and whether I'm still interested) - time will tell.
My reason for mentioning the kits was really to show how a number of much older designs were still being made in some places, years after the original manufacturer had washed their hands of them - that was really about it.
Moving on, it isn't hard to see why the "Tilly" kit looked similar to a number of Chevrolets and Bedfords of the era (and some years later). In case they're of interest to anyone, here are some links to some Bedfords, seen at rallies. First, here's a Bedford K:
http://www.ianhardy.net/gallery/main.php/d/15158-2/CRW_3594.jpg
Now a Bedford O truck, followed by a Bedford OB bus:
http://slatford.co.uk/Kensworth%20Pics/Bedford%20OB.JPG
http://bus-and-coach-photos.com.s3.amazonaws.com/2700.jpg
It might be interesting to compare these to some WW2 LRDG Chevrolet trucks. Apart from the wheelarches and front grille and fender being built up a bit - and variations in wheelbase - the vehicles look very similar:
http://www.lrdg.org/LRDG-Photo-gallery(early).htm
This would probably make the Tamiya / Revell / Italeri kits very plausible as base models. Whether anyone chooses to use them is another matter...
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Broadoak
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Thank you for the link Huw, this morning saw me in my local model shop ordering the four wheel Russian truck. I think it will make an excellent rail truck for the farm. I fancy a fuel tanker this time with tank mounted in the drop side body. This would be used to re-fuel the tractors working out in the fields.
I have a choice of chassis, an Athearn SW7 switcher or a Con-Cor SW1500, both run extremely well. Alternatively I could use Tenshodo for power and an un-powered truck for extra current collection. I will make a decision later when I see how much room I have.
When I was a lad in the early 1950’s I lived in a small village in Hertfordshire. Opposite was a small transport business who used horses as well as a couple of trucks, or lorries as we called them then. They were Fords and looked exactly like the kit I’ve ordered. That is the main reason I found the kit so attractive.
Once again Huw many thanks I would not have found this without your links.
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Peter,
Many thanks for your kind comments.
The tanker conversion sounds very workable - and I'm sure you could find a number of similar projects documented on the web. For example, I came across this one, based on the 3 axle variant (although I'm sure there would have been some based on the original 2 axle chassis - I believe the 3 axle version was developed because of local conditions):
http://www.hyperscale.com/features/2001/gazaais_2.htm
I don't know if it might also be worth checking through back issues of Truck Model World.
All the best with your project,
Huw.
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Peter,
I'm in the process of going through some of the bookmarks on my computer - and dug these ones out - I don't know how relevant they are.
Although these ones are more about models than real trucks, they clearly show that some 2 axle Ford AAs (and GAZ derivatives) were converted into tankers:
http://henk.fox3000.com/Rtrucks.htm
http://smokybottom.com/product_info.php?products_id=46&osCsid=d6952c852109c5dde7f04e6006dee00f
I also came across a site with loads of drawings and photos of the Russian trucks (there are separate pages for each variant - eg for the GAZ AAA, replace the "GAZ_AA" at the end of the address with "GAZ_AAA" and so on):
http://www.armchairgeneral.com/rkkaww2/galleries/trucks/GAZ_AA.htm
There was also this one - loads of detailed (unfortunately unscaled) drawings of Russian and German trucks, tanks etc from WW2. There's a menu on the left, with a number of links - following the "Russian Trucks" link leads you to a number of thumbails, each of which leads to drawings of the specific types. A flag at the top right of the initial page leads to a related site, doing the same for vehicles used by Germany during WW2. Both sites also include loads of vehicles imported from other countries, or used after they'd been abandoned by retreating armies (like a number of Chevrolets). I spent a bit of time here:
http://www.o5m6.de/index.html
Finally, a page from a workshop forum site - if you scroll down, you'll find some drawings for the (apparently similar) Ford B:
http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/forums/f46-vehicle-profile-painting/1929-ford-model-drawings-2786/
I hope some of these are of some use (or at least as much interest as they are to me).
All the best,
Huw.
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Peter
I just completed one of these trucks. Yours is really nice. It has a great look to it. I thought it was a good kit. It is on a flat car with the Tamiya "Komatsu" dozer. It is part of my work train. I want t build another of each when the shop gets some more in. I think that all of Tamiya's 1/48 kits are done quite well.
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Huw, some more excellent links to ponder, especially Smokey Bottom. The drawings are very interesting in The armchair general, I was a Technical Artist many years ago.
I think I fancy something a bit more home built, as if it had been made in the farm workshops with limited funds and resources. I have not decided finally yet, I like to get the feel of the kit first. I will however think of it as the Ford version that the farm picked up second hand after the war.
The first picture shows a Bedford truck working in New Zealand, this photo fired my imagination and was the catalyst for starting Two sister’s Farm originally. I rather liked the idea of different vehicles along with more conventional forms of motive power.
I still don’t have an example of another favourite of mine the Bedford QL there is a 1/35 scale kit of it with a gun mounted in the back. With such a small layout all you can do really is add more forms of motive power to keep your interest going. I have always had an interest in soft skinned military vehicles more than the armoured ones. The model keeps my interest alive by making them into rail trucks. I also know that at an exhibition no one else will have the same forms of motive power that I have, wonderful thing the imagination.
The other two pictures illustrate some of the other oddities that have been built. I think however bizarre your imagination is it has probably already been done. The prototype for everything syndrome I suppose.
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Thanks for the great links Huw. The Ford railbus is interesting, something different from the other kits. That diecast truck reminded me that I have an old Matchbox Yesteryear Crossley truck at home that might be useful (also a Rolls Royce armoured car, wonder how that'll look on rails ).
Those Bedford photos brought back a lot of memories....thanks mate
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Broadoak wrote: ... I was a Technical Artist many years ago.
I think I fancy something a bit more home built, as if it had been made in the farm workshops with limited funds and resources. I have not decided finally yet, I like to get the feel of the kit first. I will however think of it as the Ford version that the farm picked up second hand after the war.
... I think however bizarre your imagination is it has probably already been done. The prototype for everything syndrome I suppose.
I'm not surprised about you having been a technical artist - capturing scenes (and details) as well as you've done takes a certain eye, which many people don't have. This is one reason why, when you build your new railtruck, I'm sure the finished product will be worth waiting for.
I don't want to sidetrack you, but I'm sure you sometimes get some "you'd never see that" comments at exhibitions about some of your motive power. Like you, I reckon you would see it all - and more. The issue is whether some people actually see (or believe) some of the more unusual stuff that runs on rails.
One thread on the SE Lounge forum recently caught my eye. Someone posted pictures of bulldozers converted to run on rails at a salt plant - these pictures were followed by a build of a detailed large scale model version (actually a couple of them):
http://www.7-8ths.info/index.php/topic,16682046.0.html
Some of the pictures in the o5m6.de site also looked pretty extreme - like tractors fitted with cabs from scrapped trucks.
I'm sure someone, somewhere, will have tried combining these ideas - with a "railed" tractor or bulldozer, fitted with a cab - but whether anyone would ever want to model it...
I've also seen a book about the Tatra T3 trams, which included a number of photos showing part-built tramcars being towed around the (now demolished) Prague tram factory on rails and accommodation bogies, behind some rather rough looking tractors. Later pictures showed similar scenes - but with the tractors replaced by conventional road trucks.
As for the "you'd never see that" brigade at shows, I'd love to know what they'd make of this picture - showing a lorry, fitted with rail wheels and towing passenger cars in service. If this isn't a case of "prototype for everything", I don't know what is:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/201/503487640_d289a40e99_z.jpg?zz=1
Changing the subject, I can see why that Bedford photo would have motivated you to start building critters (followed by a layout to run them on). OK, I might personally prefer vehicles to look a bit more pristine - but pictures like that do have a certain old world charm (emphasis on old).
Anyway, I think I've already taken more than enough of your time - so I'll let you get on with what you're doing.
All the best,
Huw.
EDIT: Here's another example of "prototype for everything" - part way down the page on this link, there's a photo clearly showing a Simplex "tin turtle" working a train of passenger stock:
http://www.hfstephens-museum.org.uk/locomotives/traction-on-the-festiniog-and-whr.html
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Huw Griffiths wrote: One thread on the SE Lounge forum recently caught my eye. Someone posted pictures of bulldozers converted to run on rails at a salt plant - these pictures were followed by a build of a detailed large scale model version (actually a couple of them):
http://www.7-8ths.info/index.php/topic,16682046.0.html
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Huw.
They look familiar, possibly from an article in the Narrow Gauge & Short Line Gazette in recent years. Interesting though...
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That link weighs more than the "thing" in the picture!!
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Huw,
It is surprising but very few people say you wouldn’t see that when one of our rail trucks appear. I have a few photos to show those with doubts, but there seem very few.
In fact the only rivet counter we have come across in thirty shows was concerned that the tractor lubrication chart on the wall showed the wrong type of mudguards (fenders). I copied the chart from a Fordson handbook so it is correct. Although to be fair to the guy Fordson did change the mudguards when the tractor went into production.
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Broadoak
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Huw,
It is surprising but very few people say you wouldn’t see that when one of our rail trucks appear. I have a few photos to show those with doubts, but there seem very few.
In fact the only rivet counter we have come across in thirty shows was concerned that the tractor lubrication chart on the wall showed the wrong type of mudguards (fenders). I copied the chart from a Fordson handbook so it is correct. Although to be fair to the guy Fordson did change the mudguards when the tractor went into production.
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