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Huw Griffiths
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Peter,
I'm glad to hear that.
I certainly think your models look great - and very credible.
The reason for my comment was the way that a minority of people visiting exhibitions sometimes seem to go into "hypercritical mode" every time they encounter a model that isn't a museum standard rendition of the one prototype and location they're familiar with.
Even if they were ever to find their idea of model railway perfection, some of these guys still wouldn't be happy - it's enough to make me wonder why they go to exhibitions in the first place.
Strangely enough, these ... erm ... gentlemen don't do layouts. Still, if they did, isn't it reassuring to know that they'd probably be the best layouts in the world?
I was just hoping you didn't get a lot of trouble with these trolls.
Anyway, I'll let you get on with what you're doing.
Regards,
Huw.
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This is the latest project I am currently working on. Is it a critter? It’s hard to say. Although it looks home built it was made by Muir- Hill in Manchester around 1940.
I have got a Scaledown white metal kit of a Fordson Major 27N which is very heavy. I’m in the process of making a plasticard chassis for the tractor body to sit on. Then finding some practical way of fixing the Tenshodo power bogie to it.
Note in the picture the exposed drive chain, imagine what health and safety would make of that. Mine will have a guard to protect my plastic people.
The prototype worked on The Ashover Light Railway in Derbyshire. The line was two foot gauge and had a mix of internal combustion engines and four Baldwin 4-6-0 tank engines
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Huw Griffiths
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Peter,
I think Muir-Hill tractor-based locos qualify as critters.
As for the exposed chain, I wonder if the photo is of a machine awaiting maintenance, or on a scrap line. My reason for thinking this is that I've seen a number of pictures (photos and drawings) of chain-driven critters, with covers enclosing the chains.
I don't know if you've come across these links - showing a Muir-Hill being restored on the Abbey Light Railway:
http://www.freewebs.com/abbeylightrailway/no9.htm
http://www.freewebs.com/abbeylightrailway/Muir%20Hill.jpg
I also came across this picture:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28652222@N03/3441332029/
What strikes me from some of these pictures is that the chassis is effectively a hollow box, with axles wheels and drivetrain dropped into it. I haven't tried this - but I can't help wondering if it might be feasible to fit the SPUD in a similar way:
1. A plastikard false floor, with suitable cutout (or fixing hole) in the centre, to allow the SPUD to be fixed to it.
2. Some angle, around the edges of the false floor - with sides and ends fitted to the angle - the sides and ends going below and above the false floor, creating a box which the tractor stuff can be dropped into.
Just my thoughts - I'm sure somebody will have better ideas.
Whatever the score, I'll be interested in seeing how this goes - I've got a few projects on the drawing board at the moment - and I'm trying to solve a number of the same technical challenges.
Anyway, I've no wish to hijack your thread.
All the best,
Huw.
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Broadoak
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Huw,
Thank you for your interest and the links. I must admit I didn’t know about the one on The Abbey Light Railway.
There is a Muir - Hill Fordson preserved at Ravensglass with a small open cab.
I’m sure you are right about the chain being guarded when working on the Ashover example. The photo shows the device looking in a rather un loved state in what looks like a scrap line.
On the model I have made a plasticard frame with flat sides and a deck with suitable holes cut out to accommodate the engine sump etc .To hold the tractor body to this, it will be secured with both superglue and a small self tapper due to its considerable weight.
The Tenshodo bogie will have a plasticard mounting with a hole in the middle for holding the motor, the screw going downwards. There will be a hole at each end of the mounting for the screws going upwards into the chassis with the body attached. It is not very prototypical I know but the tractor I have is actually a later model so it will be my usual generic bodge.
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W C Greene
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Peter-I really like your new critter! The corrugated metal and roll-down window curtains are just great. I know that she runs well, the Bachmann Davenports seem to never "miss a beat" when running. Very cool.
It's nice that you have a kid running trains also. Our little On30 group has met here before and the last time, I gave transmitters to the teens and they had a blast running while the old goats sat and talked about running. Get them involved.
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Broadoak
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The Fordson Major 27n powered rail truck is the latest device to have come out of the farm workshop.
It is very loosely based on a device made by Muir Hill that provided the inspiration to build a similar device for my Two Sister‘s Farm layout.
I was given a damaged 1/32 scale white metal Fordson and having a photo of the Muir Hill device decided it would be an excellent starting point.
The model is powered by a WB35 Tenshodo bogie. This is held by one screw to a plasticard false chassis which in turn is held by two screws to the plasticard chassis that supports the white metal tractor body. The driver figure is a German tank crewman supposedly playing cards from Master Box.
The finished model is much higher from the rail top than the Muir Hill example due to the space taken up by the Tenshodo bogie. Therefore it is assumed an accident damaged tractor had a chassis built for it in the farm workshop. It is used for light shunting in the yard due to its relatively low power and its three speed gearbox.
It still needs a little more work on the weathering, I find the photos helpful.
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Hi Peter
Great thread on your critters...
...and placky truck (lorry !) models (wink).
Been toying with the idea of the Tamiya LRDG 'pink panther' for a while now...
...that Chevy is a bute !
& WOW !!!...
...the GAZ does look very 'Anglo'...
...I know there were Ruskie copys of stuff made in WWII...
...I have an amphibious vehicle, which is.
The truck looks great 'on the farm' Peter !
All the best.
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Broadoak
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Thanks for your interest Si.
The Russian kit was very inexpensive and nothing fitted very well. This didn't matter in my case as I only used a few bits of it. Even the box it came in was poorly made and fell apart on opening it.
You get what you pay for I guess.
I'm afraid the model shop where I bought the kit is no more, so now everything I need I either get at exhibitions or by mail order.
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Yes, quite a cool critter. I just love things like that anyway. I do agree about the Russkie kits, I have "built" 3 ZAVEDA (?) GAZ trucks and they all required lots of fiddling, cutting, filling, and setting on fire. I now have a great supply of "stuff" for future projects. And only one box came intact, the others were smooshed and it is a wonder nothing fell out!
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Zaveda ... Space Invader ... Darth Vader !!!
Anyone know which 1:35 truck-kit has the best engine ?
Idea being ... leave the hood on the truck SHUT; & bung the engine in a critter.
Just thought someone might know.
I quite like cheap & nasty kits...
...don't get 'the fear' when yer reach for the glue !
Cheers
Si.
There are some quite nice soft-skin military trucks etc.
Could be good for industrial mining & logging lash-ups !
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http://www.slotforum.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=59295&st=0&a
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Broadoak
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Si I think the engine from the Tamiya GMC 6x6 kit is probably the best detailed engine in 1/35th scale I have come across. Although it would be an expensive way to get just the engine. If you could find a use for the rest of the kit it would make it a better buy as it is a very good kit.
There is a picture of the GMC engine on page 10 of the Two Sister's Saga in the narrow gauge section of this forum.
I can't get it to work in this post.
There is quite a good replica of a V8 in the Tamiya Quad gun tractor kit as well.
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Hi Peter
Thanks very much for that !
I was looking on eBay last night, at trucks !
I realised the Chevy I liked...
...was in fact an SAS Land-Rover ... DOH !
The LR is OK; those LRDG SAS Chevy's are N I C E though.
I have the SAS Jeep kit here; waiting for something.
I then looked for 'small trucks'.
Saw 3 types of GAZ; the smallest looked very Model-T to me...
...middle sized one, bit bigger, more modern looking cab.
I'm guessing the engine (if they have one) is average at best.
Also saw a Revel 1:35 6-wheel Henshall (typo), German I figure from the name.
Looked like a pretty cool, oldie-stylee truck...
...but BIG !
I saw the tamiya 1:35 GMC 6x6 Peter.
Thanks for the engine tip; I will have a look at it.
I have a GMC 6x6 in 1:32 by Forces Of Valour...
...It's an absolute MONSTER.
I think even the Tamiya 1:35 one; would dwarf the On30 Shay I have, to convert to 1:35n2.
The Quad truck is a whakey-vehicle for sure.
As Herb says, very Star-Wars !
I thought the Quads were great as a kid...
...& made an Airfix 1:72 one (I think).
The detailed V8 sounds interesting.
I will see if I can find your pics Peter.
I am just getting back into modelling after a while away.
I was making 1:24, but found it to be a bit too big for me.
I guess I am trying to do something similar to you Peter...
...look for 'reasonable sized' models; in a 'large scale'.
Just had a dig through some older HO stuff here.
Pulled out an Athearn S-12 switcher !
I think she runs OK...
...a candidate for 'critterizing' for sure.
Am trying to 'size things' a bit before going NUTS with the saw.
Pictures & a thread soon, I hope.
All the best.
Cheers
Si.
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http://www.freerails.com/view_topic.php?id=7318&forum_id=17&page=1
' M:R:W Motor Speedway !!! ' - 1:32 Slotcar Racing Layout
http://www.slotforum.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=59295&st=0&a
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Herb Kephart
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Interesting thing about the Nash Quads
If one side of the vehicle went into a ditch----they couldn't get out!
With four wheel steer, any effort to steer the front wheels out, put the rear wheels further in--and vice versa.
My old man drove a Ford T ambulance in that dust-up, and said that it was almost comical when that happened.
Four wheel drive,and four wheel steer-- wonderful idea--that sucked!
How far off topic can I be, Commander?
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my brother has a 60's army mule (amo carrier) 4 wheel drive and steering in 4 wheel steering it is a hand full unless going slow
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W C Greene
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Detailed engines? Heck, just put plug wires, etc. on them and they look just right. Or use them as "junque" somewhere. I almost never put engines in my trucks/autos so I have a bunch of motors to use as "fine scale details"...yeah, right...
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Broadoak
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Si I can thoroughly recommend the Athearn chassis, they are excellent.
I use four on Two Sisters and about a dozen on my HO switching layout Benson.
Peter M
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Hi Peter
Thanks; I gave the Athearn a quick once-over last night...
...& A OK !
WOW ! about 22,000 Quad Tractors made...
...there must have been quite a few modded ones after WWII.
(I am very tempted; to try a 'open pick-up' version)
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Been looking at your 'fleet' some more !
Apart from your more 'left-field' (no pun intended) motive-power...
...your more conventional 'Brit-Crits' (for want of a better term) are fantastic.
While I'm asking about kits...
...2 questions.
1. What is the basis of the grey critter, with the big-tank on the back-bed ?
2. What is the basis of the grey critter, with open back-bed, & small tank behind the cab; & what looks like a similar back to the Opel Blitz.
The cab has 'squarer doors' & look though.
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Sorry; dunno how to describe them right !
I'm sure at 'The Farm' they have nick-names ?
All the best.
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http://www.freerails.com/view_topic.php?id=7318&forum_id=17&page=1
' M:R:W Motor Speedway !!! ' - 1:32 Slotcar Racing Layout
http://www.slotforum.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=59295&st=0&a
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Broadoak
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Si, The truck with the tank on the back is the Zaveda Gaz Six wheel truck. The tank is a Walthers HO scale Oil tank. It Runs on a Con-Cor four axle chassis.
The other truck is an Italeri Opel Blitz gas producer, that runs on the same type of Con-Cor chassis as the device above.
The chassis by Con-Cor run very well, possibly a tad smoother than the Athearn but they are much more expensive of course.
I trust this is of some help.
Peter M
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