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W C Greene
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I believe this may be "operations", I know it helps the MRy's Supt. when he's on the prowl. Since there are turntables at each end of the line and even one on the Gila Tram, the Model T has no trouble when out on the road. The one place where there was trouble is down on the spur along Main St. in Mogollon. The Model T overheats when run in reverse so when it was used on that spur, it became a hassle to get back on the main without the radiator almost exploding. The shop foreman came up with this device (copied from many used on other roads) to help out. Besides, the Super wants to be able to drop in at the Bloated Goat for a "drink" and he is the boss.




Here you can see this little device at the end of the spur, right in front of the "watering hole".


The Model T drives across the little turntable and gets lifted from the rails.


Then the car is turned to go out from downtown and set back down on the rails...sometimes the Supt needs help from the bar patrons to get the T back on the track properly!


Here's the little turntable. It simply sits in a pit below the track (still to be finished), the car rolls across it, gets lifted and turned, and set back down. I am sure that there should be some sort of "device" to make the TT rise, maybe it is hydraulic, but is now operated by a giant hand beneath the layout. I'll be jiggered since it does work and provides another bit of "operation" on the layout. The lift was made from some brass pieces soldered together, no plans were used or nitpickers hung in the process.

                         Woodie

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Speeders, hi-rails, Burro cranes, and so forth typically need authorization in the same way as any train, either via track warrants, train orders, or whatever is in use, so that's another operational wrinkle.

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Hi-rails generally never got train orders, only trains.  There is no provision in most rule books operate anything but a train by train orders.

Back in the TT&TO days the dispatcher would issue a "general lineup" or a "motor car lineup" every 3 to 4 hours.   That was list of what trains were operating and the wait times for extras.  The motor cars/hi-rails would operate on "care and caution".

So if the line up said that No 201 was running 3 hours late and X1234W departed Anna at 1210 pm and had to wait at Bess until 1230p, Cloy 1250p, Eve 135p and Fay at 155p, the motor car/hi-rail would use that information to operate along the railroad and clear when required.

Nothing puckers you like running close on the lineup time along a river bottom where trees, bluffs and curves cut visibility to a quarter mile or less.

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I've been told by railroaders on some forums that hi-rails and cranes do currently receive warrants -- it may depend on the railroad. Speeders on logging lines also typically got train orders in the earlier era.

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JohnB wrote: I've been told by railroaders on some forums that hi-rails and cranes do currently receive warrants -- it may depend on the railroad.
They do with track warrants. 

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How does the railroad keep the Goat patrons from giving each other rides on the new turntable? I can foresee a whole bunch of "records" being set. Hanging on during fastest spin, Time to drink whole bottle while spinning----

Only warrant involved might be from the sheriff-- If he's not one of the participants.

Nice work, and good thinking Woodie, a very unique model!


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Herbie-I thought about the possible "recreation" using the TT...what the folks may need to be is aware of is that on one side of the road, there is about a 200 foot drop off to the canyon floor. That is saved for pitnickers and rivetheads.

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W C,

In all the 30 years of model railroading I have never seen something like this. My hat is off to you. This is absolutely great.

Now I wonder what it would look like in Nn3... Hmmmmmmm.

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Woodie - If you have or can get hold of Bob Richardson's "Chasing Trains" look at page 219. He relates his visit in late 1946 to the Waco, Beaumont, Trinity & Sabine River RR running on an old MKT shortline from Trinity to Livingston. When the track and bridges got too bad for the steam engine they got a Model A Coupe, built a "Jim Crow" trailer for it and put it into service. The track ended at the T&NO mainline half a mile west of Livingston. The passengers debarked, the driver got out a bottle jack, picked up the Model A, turned it around and lowered it back down pointed back toward Trinity. The "Jim Crow" passengers pushed the trailer back to a passing siding where the train was reassembled. After Bob retired from the CRM he moved back east to State College PA and was a regular addendee at Midwest Narrow Gauge. One of the programs he did for us included a movie he shot during this trip. So - a prototype for the new turntable ;) - Russ

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Russ-I am very familiar with the Wobbly, Bobbly, Turnover & Stop...I grew up in Waco, TX...the Waco in the WBT&S. There were quite a few "unique" operations in the South and here in Tejas. The Bartlett & Western in central Texas used (in later years) Fordson rail tractors to haul the cotton and cotton oil. The bridges were so bad that the crew would set the throttle on the Fordson and walk across the creeks beside the bridges as the "loco" and train slowly ran across. This railroad also closed down a few days each year when the crickets and grasshoppers infested the crops...they would get squished by the train and it would lose traction so they just let the critters run their course. There is more....but later maybe.

              Woodie

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i have viewed a lot of funky stuff but woodie your hydralic car lift takes the prizes for GREATNESS.

I can see people conjuring up copies all over the world and calling it ...........a woodie

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Thanks Mike-it's funky but does the job. It certainly adds to the operations.

                     Woodie

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" We don't need no stinkin' reverse ! "

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Woody,

When I first saw your turntable idea I was pretty sure the Talylln had a device like this that fitted under a rail-car to turn it round.
I have found a picture of the vehicle in a book called “North Wales Branch Line Album”. The picture shows the mercury tractor (TR no 7) pulling a train of empty wagons. The caption says:
The mercury tractor was of uncertain habits and went backwards like a tortoise and a centre jack for turning it round was installed underneath. The photograph was taken in near quarry siding in 1954.
I am sorry I don't have a scanner so I can't post the picture.

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Peter, do what I do without a scanner. I take a photo of the photo and then if needed, I run it through Photoshop and "clean" it up and then I can post it here. Much easier than messing with a scanner.

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Hi Woody,

I did as you suggested and took a photograph of the page in the book.
Sadly I don't think health and safety would approve of this scene today.



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Peter, they may not approve but we all certainly approve! What a great little critter, surely it would make a great model. Now, where's my junk boxes??

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Hi Woodie,

This was indeed Talyllyn No 7. A not very successful conversion of an old Mercury tractor to rail use - it only lasted about 4 years as such. The 'jack' was a portable jack placed beneath this thing when it required turning; not like a built in RV type levelling jack. Apparently it needed at least 2 men to ensure the correct balance whilst turning. I don't know where the jack was carried.

I have found another photo if you require it - intriguingly with a different wheel arrangement. My camera de-materialised from my suitcase during Carnival-Cunard's baggage handling operation  i.e. some bastard stole it & I don't have a scanner. I got Mrs Salada to photo the print for you with her Eyepad thingy but I can't move the photo she sent to my E mail inbox over to my desk-top. If you need a photo of No 7 then PM me & please wait till I've got a new camera.


Regards                       Michael


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