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 Posted: Tue Dec 8th, 2015 12:17 am
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Got the Atlas 70-ton Covered Hopper today.
Nicely built model, very heavy.  The model is gray, I thought these cars were black but looking at the photos in Paul Faulk's book I do believe the gray is correct (or it's a very faded black).
I got the 3-rail model, but removed the claw couplers and added Kadees, had to drill new holes in the mounting pads and cut off the claw coupler mount so it would swivel without hitting the Kadee coupler box, took about 10 minutes.
The only "issue" I can find with it is the hatches are turned 90 degrees out from where ACL had theirs.  It may not be a problem though, they look like they can be turned, the housing the hatch is on appears to be a separate casting, will find out later and attempt to turn them.  they do open so that's a good thing.
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 Posted: Tue Dec 8th, 2015 09:58 pm
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They already look much better than their toy market origins Bob. The addition of Kadees and no unnatural centre rail to be seen really improves the look.
I look forward to seeing the adjustments to the hatches and weathering. That will turn them into something special.

I noted a thread in another forum wanting 'someone' to make them RTR stud contact track. I've had a bit of experience with s/c and when viewed from certain angles it might as well be solid centre third. Your approach is the more cost effective one to my mind.

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Thanks Bob!

The large flanges and tall rail are the only things standing between my layout and a regular 2-rail layout.\, everything else could be used either way.

The one thing I kept hearing about stud contact was the sound the contact made with each stud, and of course thw work involved.

When I got into O scale I was just coming off a HO "binge" and wanted something simple to buy, operate, and wouldn't give me a lot of maintenance headaches. That lasted maybe 6 months once I got track down. I thought I could overlook the middle rail, but it kept staring me in the face.

Without selling off my 3-rail engines and/or converting them and the rolling stock over to 2-rail this was the easiest (not sure about cheapest when I think of the $$$ I have invested in the MTH DCS and Lionel TMCC systems, all sitting in a box now) and fastest thing I could think of.

So far I've enjoyed it tremendously and have got to "talk" to a bunch of folks in England and Australia I probably wouldn't have otherwise met.

I didn't have to add any shims to get the Kadees on this hopper at the right height, pretty easy conversion (Atlas did good!). But man, was this hopper expensive!!! I don't see how folks can buy cases of these things :shocked:

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 Posted: Wed Dec 9th, 2015 01:51 am
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Mind telling me what it set you back?

Bob, I think you are right. It would be hard to find someone in the UK or over here that would not see the centre third rail and move on.
It was what had me dithering for some time when I first got into O. The only layouts I would have access to were 3-rail (either stud or solid). I loved the reliability, and the sound of the skate on a s/c line mimicked the rattle of our suburban electric service at the time but I never really could come to grips with the look of third rail pickup.

I actually don't find the oversize rail and flanges that much of an issue with US stock. It has solid disc wheels and bogie sideframes that hide much of the wheels. A 4 wheeler with spoked wheels would probably not be as attractive. Painting and ballasting the track goes a long way to improving it.

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The initial cost for 1 engine was approx $220 US, because I had to buy a battery, charger and a transmitter, in addition to a receiver and the on/off/charging kit.

After that the cost goes down to approx $100, I only had to buy a battery, receiver, and on/off/charging kit for the other engines.

Now by itself that's not bad, but when you think about what I was doing (ripping out a good, working system that cost $180 in each loco) one might wonder if it was the right thing to do.

For me it was, I didn't care for or use all the features that DCS and TMCC/Legacy offered (too many things to go wrong). Plus all the bickering on the forums about which one was best, in addition to having a 400 page book to read, just didn't feel like the direction I was wanting to go.

If I had started using BPRC when I first started looking into it I could have saved a bundle. Of my 8 steamers, only 2 came with DCS PS2 electronics already installed. Of the other 6, 2 had no electronics other than a motor, the remaining 4 had a motor and a basic Forward/Neutral/Reverse board. These 6 were upgraded with PS2 kits ($180 ea) which I could have avoided if I had gone BPRC at the start.

But it's all good. I can probably sell the PS2 boards and recoup some of the $$$. I could use the $$$ to start converting my fleet of 8 diesels (currently with PS2 or TMCC installed), or I may leave the diesels alone and give them to my 2 grandsons.

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Well...the hatches do come out, that's the good news.

The bad news is that these "square" hatches aren't. They measure 21/32" long and 19/32" wide, a 1/16" difference. In order to turn them 90 degrees I'd have to cut the openings in the roof 1/16" bigger going from end-to-end and add 1/16" spacers going from side-to-side so the hatches won't fall thru the holes.

It's something that can be done, but I'm not going to mess with it now, make it a later project, although every time I run it those hatches will be staring up at me :bang:



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Hi Bob, I was actually wondering how much your hopper cost.
Should have made myself clear.
The hatch correction sounds like a project for a rainy day.

I gather those company command control boards are popular on the s/h market so they should be a source of ready cash when required.
I have never quite understood their popularity, given the NMRA sorted out the command control nonsense first with open access DCC so we never had to be stuck in a manufacturers pocket again. Closest I ever came was to consider purchasing the RailLynx system.

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Great work. Three moose, for sure!
:moose::moose::moose:
ACL and SAL are seriously underrepresented in the modeling world, even among people who live where those RRs ran. I grew up in SCL (later CSX, of course) territory and I knew lots of modelers. None modeled anything SAL/ACL or SCL related...
Robert Comerford wrote:
They already look much better than their toy market origins Bob. The addition of Kadees and no unnatural centre rail to be seen really improves the look. I agree fully with this. :2t:



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Robert Comerford wrote: Hi Bob, I was actually wondering how much your hopper cost.
Should have made myself clear.
The hatch correction sounds like a project for a rainy day.

I gather those company command control boards are popular on the s/h market so they should be a source of ready cash when required.
I have never quite understood their popularity, given the NMRA sorted out the command control nonsense first with open access DCC so we never had to be stuck in a manufacturers pocket again. Closest I ever came was to consider purchasing the RailLynx system.

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Bob

LOL!!!  After shipping, a mere $81 :bang: :bang: :bang:, and I pre-ordered it in March of this year, 9 months ago.  A 6-pack would set you back almost $500 US!!!  I got my 1st Williams brass USRA 2-8-2 for less than $190 delivered.

I think my days of buying at these prices are OVER :old dude:

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Perhaps this might make you feel better Bob.
This is just for a urethane kit.

http://modelokits.com/nswgr-bwh-bogie-hopper-wagon-o-aust-kits/

I think we are not far apart dollar for dollar in middle range incomes still. Only difference is now yours is now worth a lot more than mine :>)

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