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 Posted: Thu May 5th, 2016 04:02 am
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I never have too much of it.
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 Posted: Thu May 5th, 2016 04:54 am
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I have talked with a couple of guys near me who’d done op sessions on that layout before it burned up. Both said that it was impressive for the scope of the scenery and that at the time it was very good modeling, but both also added that if that layout were dropped into someone’s basement today, people wouldn’t be nearly as impressive with it. I have been told that most of the rolling stock looked scratch built in the old-school way, as it was clear someone made it all by hand. One guy even has a boxcar that John Allen gave him. He was right, it looked pretty passé to a modern modeler. He said he’s jokingly thought of renting it for other HO layout op sessions so people can say that a car from that layout ran on theirs, due to the number of people who’ve wanted him to show up so they could get a photo of the car on their layouts. One of them I think said it best, “It’s not that he was really all that great a modeler, it was that he thought of a lot of stuff long before anyone else had.” The other agreed, adding that it was unusual for anyone to finish a layout that big back in those days, and that’s why he got so much press when he was alive.
Just relating what to me was an interesting take on things from people who actually ran on the layout.
All that said, I think if there was a model train time machine, some folks would set it for Monterey before 1973 just so they could see this layout in person. I must admit that canyon scene was amazing and would have loved to have seen that myself.



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It was state of the art then. Of course looks outdated today, but still has an air of completeness. Jose.



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 Posted: Thu May 5th, 2016 06:32 am
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pipopak wrote:
It was state of the art then. Of course looks outdated today, but still has an air of completeness. Jose.
Agreed.
Model Railroader had a recent editorial that talked about the old school layouts never got done because you had to make everything yourself. I think he had a point with that as I know of a layout near me that was started in the 70s and still is just benchwork and no complete track, as the owner is one of those old school guys. I doubt a single piece of flextrack has ever entered the house.
John Allen's work was quite breathtaking for the scenery, even with the hindsight of today.



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 Posted: Thu May 5th, 2016 06:12 pm
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I gave an old HO refrigerator car to a friend that was left to me by Bill Caldwell, a friend of Mr. Allen. This old car was built of pine with printed sides, no grabirons or door hinges-all printed on cardstock and the brakewheel was a dress snap. It had Mantua(or Baker?) couplers and Varney trucks. Bill told me that Allen had given it to him in the 1960's. Detail be damned but in the whole scheme of things, it probably looked great running on the old G&D. John Allen was an artist and that layout has inspired more model railroaders than any other has.
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And he was an expert photographer--but that was his vocation.

Baker, Woodie. He and Whit bought up all the remaining stock when Baker decided to quit
(Per Whit, when I visited the A&LP)


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Thanks Herbert...I should have known they were Bakers but then I have been using L&P's for soooo many years. Old Bill Caldwell told me about when Mr Allen would drop by Hall's Hobby House when he was in Dallas. Him, Cliff Robinson, Terry Walsh, and Bill with a couple of other guys would sit around and swig stout coffee and jabber about WW2 aircraft, sometimes maybe trains got mentioned. A few times they would go to Bill McClannahan's (scenery pioneer)house and operate on his Texas & Rio Grande Western. Mudge (Bill) got to visit Allen out in Monterey a few times and watched (not running a train) operating sessions. Mudge didn't give a flip about running trains then, just early r/c planes and real ones.

Now, that's some obscure old stuff!
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