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 Posted: Sat Oct 15th, 2016 02:47 am
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Hi Si,
have a look at  http://fourwheelsnoaircoal.blogspot.com.au/ for details and differences between the Hunter district hoppers like Bob's and the Illawarra district wagons as used on Corrimal with fixed hoppers.


They still need weathering lettering and numbers - The design of and build of the standard gauge wagons and the screens details are still to make their appearance on my Corrimal thread

For Bob, scroll down to see some photos of the Stockrington loader.



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 Posted: Sat Oct 15th, 2016 02:50 am
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Hi Bob, I did come across a link on a coal loader around the Hunter Valley you can clock on the pics to make them larger and best sending the link

http://fourwheelsnoaircoal.blogspot.com.au/2009/05/hunter-valley-coal-wagons.html.

Nice lot of pics of your coal loader John, good to have other working siding on a layout.

Still cool morning up here yesterday was cold in Brisbane and windy people were wearing jumpers.

Tony from SE/QLD

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Hi John, I hope you had a good time at Sydney.
Your model is very inspirational.
Yes, that photo collection has some great shots in it.

Mine is a combination of ideas, part Duckenfield 5, part Minmi, i.e. a skip fed bin in a cutting, very much reduced in size to fit the area available. Pictures in Giff Eardley's original book on J&A Brown gave me the general idea.

Yes, they are Australian coal hoppers Si. Mine are one of the private Hunter Valley types and I think John's are NSWGR ones. The removable bins with bottom exit were invented locally for loading into ships berthed upriver in the Hunter Valley. They could be lifted over to the boat, lowered and emptied or be rope hauled up to a delivery chute and then emptied while still in the underframe.

I have been working on the cutting for the coal loader scene. I am using soft rocks for this one.

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Here is the cutting so far.

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 Posted: Sat Oct 15th, 2016 03:38 pm
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Hi Bob and all
a pretty basic Duckenfield #3 Colliery is at https://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/8188658733/
still looking for #5...The loco is pretty basic as well.



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 Posted: Sun Oct 16th, 2016 03:51 am
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Duckenfield 5 is shown on page 125 of 'The Railways of J&A Brown' if you have access to a copy John. Tiny photo.

I think I can safely say that loco is ex NSWGR no 20N. A Kitson product circa 1870.

I know more than one was excited when that photo collection came online some years ago. Some interesting shots in it not seen elsewhere.
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Hi John and Bob,
I was down your way a couple weeks back, possible could of flown over Unanderra on our way to Canberra, wasn't long enough stay, only stayed over night, mainly went to the AWM, was awesome need two days to go through the memorial.

What do you know about Little Bertha the German rail gun only the main gun is left, would like to scratch build the gun.

WE went back to Sydney by train 3 and half hours of pure magic, how far are you from the Canberra to Sydney line, I had a couple of hours at Sydney Central station took lots of pics as I am modelling the station building, my Sydney Central be cut back width wise, still b awesome size when built.

Bob your cutting is coming along nicely, what do they call when they back fill a gully to level the track bed, the Canberra line had a few of them and fairly large curves as well.

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Tony I don't know of any specific term, it was just a fill to me. They tried to balance spoil from cuttings to fill the gullies when building lines.

The Amiens gun was ex warship placed on rail underframe. Sadly the underframe was ditched years ago. Hard to miss at the War Memorial. You could take several days just to properly look over the WM. If I was doing some work there I would often time it so I had my lunch there and could spend some time exploring.
There are probably plenty of photos on the web that might help you to build one, also look at the 1:35 plastic models on offer, there might well be one there that might give you some ideas to make a HO one.
I think I have seen at least one made in HO years ago for a layout.
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There is a photo of the gun in the ARHS book " Railways of the Canberra and Monaro Districts".
You never know they might have a copy at the AMRA library if you are lucky Tony.
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Hi Tony,
in answer to your questions -
According to wikipedia, the "Big Bertha" name has been incorrectly applied to German rail guns of WW1
I thought that Big Bertha was one of 5 rail-mounted guns used to shell Paris and other parts of France during WW1. The Aussies captured the gun.

For the Aussie "Big Bertha, my understanding is that it as was sent to Australia at the end of WW1/early 1920's. The gun carriage also made it to here but was cut up in the 1920's/1930's, so only the barrel is preserved at the Australian War Memorial WM see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/28_cm_SK_L/40_%22Bruno%22

You may have missed you best chance of picking up more information in Canberra either at the AWM archive or at the National Library where one of the larger rail photo collections is now held. Did you remember to take a photo of the placards beside the where the barrel is displayed? There was some good information on those.

Moss Vale was as close as you would have got to Unanderra. There is a line that comes off the Main South there that heads downhill to Unanderra. Part of that line is one of the steepest mainline tracks in Australia with a falling 1 in 30 grade. There is no regular passenger service on this line.

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