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Modeling 'The Gilpin Tram' - pt.II
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 Posted: 30 Jan 2022 10:52 am
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Side elevation of an HRT boiler,
boiler set in brick work for support.

From the furnace the hot gas pass under the boiler,
and then return via the tubes to the front of the boiler.


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 Posted: 30 Jan 2022 11:11 am
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Front elevation of and cross section of a HRT boiler.

The HRT type boiler was very common,
in ore mills and industry for a number of years.


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 Posted: 30 Jan 2022 11:40 am
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Gerold ET Al

Hopefully the plans will give you an idea of an HRT boiler.
The front plan is 1/4" to the foot, figure posed is O scale.

Other then helping my Dad,
do a tube plugging on a package HRT when I was 14,
I've not had much experience with them.

Although I have worked with boilers,
ranging from 10,000#/HR fire tube locomotive type,
to 750,000 #/HR water tube.

But I was much younger then.  :)  :)




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Ken, thanks.

I have seen such boilers, but did not know what's inside !

Now I understand better.




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Here's one set in Yankee Blade, NV at the Ward Shaft.

Very common.







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Steven

Have never came across an HRT boiler that used rock for it's casing.
 
Certainly different then the typical brick work with the ones I have seen.

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1860s, maybe '70s.
It was the material at hand.

Yankee Blade was very isolated at the time.
They would have had to build a brick kiln.

I loved it too, that's why I took the image.
It is very modelable.

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Another side view which shows the chimney connection better.

Heats it from the bottom,
then the hot gases flow back from the far end and out the front.


Looks like there would be some steel doors,
on another wagon load.


I can only imagine how they got the boiler off the wagon at the delivery point.
Likely no cranes were rented and just rolled in for the day !

Probably a lot of cribbing and manual jacks.


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I didn't see Ken's fine response on the next page or section.
Sorry to repeat.

Liked your scale figure next the the scale drawing !


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On a side note

Model Masterpieces ? did a kit for two boilers in HO.

Crow River Products produce a kit in O scale.




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Unloading by block and tackle (mechanical advantage),
cribbing and jacks.

Setting it, getting it level.

What a task !




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Getting a little off the Gilpin Topic... 

Here is a link to a video of a return tube boiler. 

I'm not a boiler expert, 
but it appears to be one shown around 9:45-11 minutes in. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCoOYKgYgn0&t=2s&ab_channel=RedRiverGulfRailroad 


They have some interesting videos of a vintage lumber mill, 
and railroad with machine shop and steam log loaders. 
Worth a look. 

I need to stop by next time I'm in LA, when ever that is ! 
The guy who produced the video is clearly a Colorado N.G. fan.  


Come visit Long Leaf, Louisiana... where time stands still. 

LongLeaf.LA RedRiverAndGulf.net 
Video produced by RioGrandeExplorations.net

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Some good discussion there of boiler construction and use.
Thank you all for posting.



Well, it's been a while since I posted,
but that's been for a couple of reasons.

First, I have been doing a lot of modelbuiding in the past 12 months,
but not much of it was Gilpin Tram models.

Second, 2022 was very busy for me, and one thing led to another,
and ......... you all know how that goes !



I had the opportunity to travel to Colorado and Gilpin County twice this past year.
The first was in June, when I also attended the Sn3 Symposium, and later in October.






I posted a pictures of this mine - it's what's left of
the English-Morros Mine on the Pease-Kansas Branch of the Gillpin Tram.

Not much left, other than the interesting stone end wall of the shaft house.
The hole in the ground is ground settlement over the shaft.






I got to spend some time re-visiting the alignment of
the Gilpin Tram's former Phoenix-Burroughs Branch on Quartz Hill.

The pile of debris is all that's left of the once-magnificent Gold Coin-Kansas Mine.
It was a sizable operation 120 years ago.






This photo shows the Gold Coin-Kansas in better days.

That is Gilpin Tram track in the foreground,
this mine was once served by the tram.

Contrast this photo to the previous one !






I also walked this part of Quartz Hill,
can you guess which Gilpin Tram-served mine this once was ?

It was the California Mine, on the Quartz Hill Branch.
This is about all that remains of the mine today.






This H..H. Lake photo shows the California Mine about 120 years ago.

The Gilpin Tram had a runaround track that ran under the waste rock
dump trestle at left, and the ore loading spur ran under the covered shed.
 
You can see the dark opening where the loaded cars were pulled out. 



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One more photo from Quartz Hill, this is near the summit,
looking north towards Nevadaville and Gunnell Hill.

The big waste rock dump at right center is the former Hubert Mine site,
once served by a branch of the Gilpin Tram.

A beautiful fall day when this photo was taken !






I worked a lot this past year on converting
more locomotives to Battery Powered Radio Control.


This momentous photo shows #15, an 0-4-2T,
pulling the longest-ever train on my layout.

Seen here departing Black Hawk yard.
Yep, that's an astounding 7, yes 7, cars being pulled.


My little layout runs small equipment and trains,
and so 7 cars is kind of pushing the limits.

The runaround tracks aren't that long, and a 7-car train
requires doubling over in the yard tracks to assemble the train.



The loco is a converted Bachman Skarloey, which started out
as a brilliant red loco with a smiley face on the smokebox.

I used part of a Hawaiian plantation loco 3D print I purchased off of Shapeways,
and various other detail parts to get this loco.



The boxcar immediately behind the loco is a modified Minitrains US Army boxcar
(depicts a World War I military prototype).



The flatcar at left has a bright white object at its end,
which is an early experiment in making magnetic couplers.

I refined the methods I used to get them working to where I wanted them,
and have been busy this past year converting the roster
to my own design magnetic couplers, intended to resemble link and pin couplers.

I'll post more on these in a future post.



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I love this time of year - Christmas season here is always full of visits and discussions with friends, and sharing thoughts about the hobby.

(Above image from the internet, source unknown to me)

I was reading an article about a Carnegie Institute display (the author is Salena Zito, and published December 10 in the Pittsburgh Post Gazette, if you want to track it down), where she was describing a model display built by a very prolific builder, who had passed away in the 1980s.  The author had this to say about the hobby:
[size=The popularity of model railroading has stood the test of time in part because hobbyists each bring a different skill set to the craft, which in turn helps develop others: Artisans love building the model scenery; history buffs enjoy researching and recreating places long gone; engineering types enjoy designing the tracks; and techies love the technological advances in electronics, wiring and the ability to run your train from an app on your smart phone.]
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[size=A nice summary of perhaps why so many of us are drawn to the hobby.  The model builder described in the article, Charles Bowdish, said this about why he is a hobbyist:][size=
“Everyone regardless of their status in life, reaches out towards life’s ultimate achievement — happiness … privileges, money and possessions are useless unless they make a man happy. To those who have been bored and sickened by the monotony of work in offices, sales, fields and factories, where the only evidence of a day’s work is a headache, nothing to exhibit to friends, nothing to view with pride as an example of skill or handiwork — to those people I say ‘You should have a hobby.’”
[size=I think the above quote is a great way to describe what draws us to model railroading and why we do what we do.]
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[size=Well, those are my thoughts for the day, now, to get back to building models...][size=
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Keith



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A couple of worth while statements, well worth hanging onto
and keeping a hard copy!

:glad::glad::glad:



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