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Micro Layouts for Ease of Moving

This HO scale micro layout was one of 3 proposed to be built,
to replace a previous layout called Dolton / Illinook / Blue Island / Barr.

With the possibility of an impending move some time in 2020,
I decided that it would be best to minimise the layout moving stress,
and dismantle the previous modules in favour of smaller and easier to move modules.


Layout Description

The Pier 39 layout is a 1200mm x 300mm HO scale micro layout which has a 2 track transfer table,
with each track able to hold a loco or one or two cars depending on the length of the cars.

The track plan is shown below.





The track plan is based on the track plan of the same name on the late Carl Arendt’s small and micro model railroading website.
I was able to add some extra trackage, such as the RIP / loco track, and the COFC / TOFC track along the top.


Operating Sessions

For an operating session on this layout, the ‘aim of the game’ is to ‘swap’ inbound with outbound cars.
Cars are hand staged in the yard tracks, and they have to be moved to the relevant industry track,
while cars already in those tracks have to be moved to the yard tracks.


         


          Above: GE44 at Team Tracks



    Above: Covered hoppers for the bulk unload track





    Above: Switching a covered hopper





    Above: GE44 coming off the transfer table





    Above: GE44 picking up reefer





    Above: GE44 & Reefer heading towards transfer table





    Above: Running around a reefer





    Above: Open hoppers picked up from yard tracks





    Above: Open hoppers spotted @ aggregate transfer track

Because usually only one car can be switched at a time there is a need for the train crew to think ahead,
and treat the movement of cars somewhat like a chess game or other game requiring strategy.

Most cars moved on this layout are virtually interchanged with other layouts,
through the Virtual Interchange group I am a member of.





Locale

The Pier 39 Yard layout is representative of a small car float served switching area in the Brooklyn, NY area,
where cars arrive / depart by car float between the Pier 39 Yard and the Greenville Float Yard in New Jersey.

The car float is implied rather than modelled.
Some of the inspiration for this layout was taken from the New York Cross Harbour Railroad’s operations and locale.
 
Although the Pier 39 facility is located in an undefined area within Brooklyn,
which once had railroad connections to other railroads,
but now the only access is by car float.

The Pier 39 facility serves various nearby industries, has a port for marine shipping,
and is a place where various types of activities take place such as :
  • International shipping transfer to / from rail.
  • General freight rail transfer to / from road transport.
  • Bulk and aggregate transfer rail to / from road transport and storage.
  • COFC / TOFC rail to / from road transport.
  • Stevedoring / customs services.
  • Forklift transfer between rail and nearby industries.



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Hi James  :wave:


It is great to see your micro-layouts Posted here on Freerails !  :thumb:

Your descriptions on the building & of operations, are very inspiring.


'Pier 39' might just be my favourite of your micro-layouts ...  L:

... but don't ask me why ? 'cos I like 'em all !


You might even be inspiring me to nail some track down on a 4 footer ... 

... I am beginning to think a 6 footer with runaround, is not for me.  :P


I like the minimal hints at scenery, in the small spaces available for it ...  :cool:

... & of course the layout is a good opportunity for low-relief & backdrops.


Shame 'Tri-ang' never did a 'Super-4' double-slip !  ;)


:thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:


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'Pier 39' might just be my favourite of your micro-layouts ...  L:

... but don't ask me why ? 'cos I like 'em all !


Hi Si.

Thanks for your comment.


I think of all my layouts, Pier 39 is about the most interesting to operate for me.
It is certainly one of my busier ones, as it receives 'virtual' freight between:
  • US railroads to / from UK.
  • US railroads to / from Brazil.
  • UK to / from Brazil.
Some of the traffic is implied (especially UK to / from Brazil traffic),
but virtual freight between US railroads and non-US Atlantic ports,
counts as actual model railroad operation activity on the layout, as cars arrive,
and have to be transhipped to / from marine shipping to those non-US locations.


The idea of 'virtual' freight is the core idea of a group I am a member of,
that allows members to send / receive freight between member's railroads 'virtually'
(ie, not physically for the whole journey).

All of my layouts can send freight 'virtually', and are specifically designed to do so.


My other layouts don't see the same level of traffic (implied or actual) as Pier 39,
as they are basically 'dead end' areas, where the vast majority of virtual traffic,
goes through nearby yards that are un-modelled.

But Pier 39 is a network hub.




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Hi James  :wave:


Other than the fact that I quite like lil' GEs & the general 'look' of mooodern(ish) cars ...

... 'Pier 39' being a "Network Hub" as you say, is I'm sure operationally very interesting.


I haven't quite worked out precisely how it operates, 'cos I'm probably a bit slow ...  :P

... but no doubt every switch & inch of track, has been worked out carefully by you !





I'm not sure where all the potential car-spots are, or how the Transfer Table functions ...

... but I find the idea of 'virtual' car destinations on other modelers 'real' layouts, cool !

I saw a trackplan in one of Model Railroaders '101 Best' kinda books years ago ...  :old dude:

... that was essentially something like 2 opposite facing 'Inglenooks' connected up.

Basically 2 yards & 1 loco each, exchanging cars on a middle diagonal shared track.


I'm sure you know the plan I'm on about, it aint rocket-science, but simple & cool.  :cool:

Model Railroader said something like:

"For an apartment hobbyist, who likes car building & realistic compact operations"


:pop:... for thought !  L::!:


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Nice BUSY days operations photo !  :thumb:


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Other than the fact that I quite like lil' GEs & the general 'look' of mooodern(ish) cars ...

... 'Pier 39' being a "Network Hub" as you say, is I'm sure operationally very interesting.


I haven't quite worked out precisely how it operates, 'cos I'm probably a bit slow ...  :P

... but no doubt every switch & inch of track, has been worked out carefully by you !





I'm not sure where all the potential car-spots are, or how the Transfer Table functions ...

... but I find the idea of 'virtual' car destinations on other modelers 'real' layouts, cool !

I saw a trackplan in one of Model Railroaders '101 Best' kinda books years ago ...  :old dude:

... that was essentially something like 2 opposite facing 'Inglenooks' connected up.

Basically 2 yards & 1 loco each, exchanging cars on a middle diagonal shared track.


Hi Si.

The GE44 is right at home on the Pier 39 layout.
Only something smaller like a Plymouth ML-8 would be more at home!


The transfer table has 2 tracks, and lines up with 2 of the 3 rails to the left of it.
It is hand moved (nothing fancy) along two brass rods,
and has a bolt to align tracks on it with those adjoining on the left.

The double slip and transfer table also acts as a runaround track,
to allow the loco to move to the other side of a single car,
so it can be moved between the team tracks and yard tracks.


The layout doesn't really act as an Inglenook or any sort of derivative of that,
but a lot of movements made can be somewhat similar to those used on an Inglenook.

I think I remember a double Inglenook plan from somewhere,
but I dismissed it as not being what I wanted,
although I'm sure some others would find the double Inglenook interesting.


As far as car spots:
  • The team tracks can hold about 3x 50' cars.
  • The team track drill track, also now has an aggregate loader, can hold 2x 40' or 1x 50'
  • The yard tracks can hold 5x 50' cars in total.
  • The COFC / TOFC transfer track can hold 1x 50' or 2x 40' cars.
The capacities and positions were worked out more by 'trial and error' than 'carefully'.
Although I did have the basic idea I wanted to accomplish in mind.


If you are interested in the virtual freight forwarding idea,
I built an application on the web to manage waybills for members in the group I am in.

You can go to:
http://jstan2.pairserver.com/apps/interchangecars2
and
http://jstan2.pairserver.com/apps/interchangecars2/pages/view/manual
for more information on how it works.

The great thing about virtual freight forwarding is that it is not dependent on scale.
N scale can forward virtual freight to HO or O layouts and vice versa without any problems.
Even something like Trainz or Train Simulator can be used to move virtual freight around.

Regards, James




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" I built an application on the web to manage waybills for members in the group I am in "


Hi James  :wave:


I had a look at your 'Waybill App.' which looks very good !  :thumb:

If one knew anything about 'Card Ops.' I am sure one could be a duck to water !


Not being a genius at ops. in the first place, I shall have some understanding to do.  L:

The Freerails 'Operations' Forum, could be a good place to Post something on it.


:java::brill:


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Hi Si.

Thanks for the info re. 'Operations' forum.

Regards, James




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Hi James  :wave:



I can't help looking at this ...





... & wondering what could be possible in about 5 foot long ...  L:

... without the double-slip & traverser, & with a couple of extra switches + X-ing.

( I have 4x pieces ... 5' x 18" bits of board & a big box of 'Hornby'(TM) track ! )  :cool:


I think we need a speculative 'Ideas For Switching Micro-Layouts' Thread ...

... in the woefully underused 'Track Planning' Forum.  :us:


There used to be a rather 'negative' attitude here sometimes, towards track planning.  :Crazy:
Personally I feel that needs to change for the better !  :old dude:


'Pier 39' gets one 'thinking' !  ;)

( Which is GOOD ! )


:java::moose: :dt:


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Hi Si.

The more length, and width,
the more flexibility regarding track geometry.

Double/single slips are great space saving devices, but are very costly.
(way more than two points/turnouts providing the same function)

The trackwork on this layout is Peco and Atlas,
and all non-point/turnout trackage is flexitrack.


Other track systems may have a different geometry which might cause problems,
and set track systems which don't have flexibility may not be quite as workable.

Probably one of the easiest ways to see what will fit is to try it in the space available,
maybe on a table or something, and see what can be done.

I think something with similar functionality but without the double slip,
could possibly be done in 5 feet.

But I think it would require closer to 6 feet to replace the traverser.


Feel free to post any track arrangements based on this layout's track here,
I would be interested to see what you come up with.

Regards, James




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