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 Posted: Thu May 13th, 2021 03:08 pm
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In the Pacific NW, Sherman tank chassis were turned into platforms for logging equipment.

I've seen several over the years, and got this shot in Chehalis, Washington, a while back.
It's since been moved, with the equipment yard, to another location.

Nearby, there is still a set of late-war Sherman tracks coiled up at the end of a dirt road,
I guess for something like this:





Someone else took this shot of what seems to be a set of vehicles (In Vernonia Oregon).

ID'd as a "Yarders built" vehicle, but I'm not sure what that means:





It looks to me like they yanked the engine compartment out of the hulls,
and extended a platform for a large diesel engine.

The first one I shot had its transmission housing,
but I have no idea what the insides of either looked like.




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 Posted: Thu May 13th, 2021 04:23 pm
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Interesting designs.

Wonder what a surplus WWII Sherman M4 cost back then.





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Michael M wrote: 
Wonder what a surplus WWII Sherman M4 cost back then.


I have no idea what the surplus cost for tanks was in the late 40s,
as the Army used Shermans in the regular army and later National Guard for many years after WW2 was over.

I'd bet you wouldn't find many of them at War Assets sales by the end of 1945, like you could wheeled vehicles and aircraft. Even if you did, I assume they'd yank the breech block off the main gun (or yank the gun completely off the turret mount), but I can't remember ever seeing photos of tanks on a US surplus line in any era. They haven't sold armored vehicles for ages through the government and a WW2 one would be the last type you could have bought, I think. You can still buy armored vehicles from UK and EU nation surplus sales, as I understand it.

I'm pretty familiar with military vehicles, having been an Army Officer as well as into historical military vehicles for the collector world, as I've written for Army Motors several times and a have a 1944 Willys Jeep in the garage. I know what some wheeled vehicles and some aircraft went for in the late 40s, but tracked stuff didn't likely sell much and likely went for decent amounts as you could use them for all kinds of civilian jobs, as you would any tractor.

I do know a new Sherman cost the government over $30K in WW2 dollars, about half a million today in adjusted dollars.
You can buy a running one for about quarter million today and yes, I've seen several in private ownership.
I've even driven a couple of them in the past.




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 Posted: Thu May 13th, 2021 06:51 pm
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Lee,

I did a little reading on WWII equipment at the end of hostilities. 

From what I read a lot of equipment was just dumped in the ocean,
or used for target practice. 

Damaged equipment was used for scrap. 

For America it was easier to get rid of the equipment,
rather than trying to bring it back home from Europe or the Pacific.


I've been thinking of using a Holt 75 tractor, or something similar,
converted to civilian use, if I could find one at a reasonable price.




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I remember an article in a mid-50s Popular Mechanics,

about a guy who bought a bunch of them,

IIRC about 200 of them.

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Think it depended on where the specific piece was located. 

As Michael said, sometimes good planes and automobiles were simply destroyed,
or dumped in the sea when it was uneconomic to transfer them back,
often friendly forces (like the postwar Austrian Army) got them cheap or for free. 

In Germany and Austria, and maybe other European countries,
armored vehicles weren't allowed in private hands,
and cost of gasoline would have been prohibitive anyway.

Often gasoline powered trucks and cars,
were converted to diesel engines, or smaller gas engines, with predictable results.
 
In Czechia, a huge "Stalin" tank was converted to an airport snowplow...  a monster.




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Though lots of military vehicles were either destroyed in place or given away as part of rebuilding a shattered planet Earth in the fall of 1945,
there were still LOTS of them in the US once the war was over.

And many of them kept being used by the military, even after the postwar drawdown.
But many were sold in surplus sales. They didn't do auctions like they do now, it was usually a fixed price per unit and you had to drive/trailer it away (it was also that way when I was still active duty, as late as 2001). Auctions were more common for large lots of stuff, like crates of parts and the like.

My Jeep got into civilian hands like that. It was sold in a war assets sale in 1948 and I'm the third civilian owner.
The Navy had it in active service (as I was in the Army, of course it's painted in Army markings today).

I'd bet companies like the one who made these logging vehicles bought entire lots of tanks to build into these things.
I've never heard of any being made into plows and such, though you'd think there'd have been a demand for that.

Beats me how many of these things were made but I've seen probably a dozen of them with my own eyes, all still in use or for sale for use. One I saw in Olympia was in great shape. The diesel was fit into the original engine compartment and it had it's original transmission housing so the hull was intact, but the top was cut away.

I seriously considered making an offer as it'd make for a great "Priest" self-propelled howitzer as I knew a guy who had a working 105MM gun we could have mounted in it. We had a mutual friend who said he could do all the conversion work to the upper hull. That is until the prices started adding up. I could have hardly afforded to paint the thing or have it trailered once somewhere, so the dream died quickly.

As far as I know, it's still in the woods working somewhere in this region.




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Interesting.

Knew about surplussed trucks and half-tracks being used,

but not about the Sherman chassis.





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For those with libraries of Logging magazine articles, 
there was an article in "Timber Times" Issue 17 of October 1997 by Art Brooks,
on the use of Sherman tanks on the Ketchikan Pulp logging operations in Alaska.

Mr Brooks brought several it seems through government surplus sales catalogs,
probably in the mid '50s.  They cost $850 each.

They appear to have used them as bulldozers and also general equipment carriers,
in addition to mounting Washington Iron Works yarders on the turret-less body.

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This link will give you some Sherman tank conversions: 

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=sherman+tank+post+wwii+conversions&t=ffnt&atb=v134-1&iax=images&ia=images





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